Meat's posts

[Kathy]

I'd love to have peace of mind too. In a small way this thread has given me some peace, and I'd like to give warm thanks to Carole, Doode, Suzieq and everyone else who understands where I'm coming from and came here to say so.

I would like to point out that the Report Button works very well for a single inflammatory post, but doesn't handle the situation where there is an intent to heckle with repetetive negative posts, no one of which is an outright flame.

-Kathy

[suzieq]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Stop me if you've heard this one:
A Steven Spielberg fan opens a bar and it's the coolest place in town. He even calls it "Speilberg's" (he's not that creative).
I'm just saying...
Doode.

Love the analogy, now I'm going to open a bar called Loaf's and hire the biggest boldest bouncer I know to kick out the obnoxious.

Originally Posted by daveake

I see no loud, obnoxious drunks.

Slick innocence here.

Originally Posted by daveake

I do see someone who wants to censor people's opinions.

As in, the removing of the whole thread censoring....yeah, coincidentally I see that too! Ironically, kind of like ripping a page out of a book.

Originally Posted by daveake

I do hope that you're not saying that those who don't like the album are allowed to say so once

Once by one person is enough actually! The problem is the ratio of disappointed is about 1 to every 6 likers (that has posted). So, in order of balance that 1 has to post multiple times to make sure his/her disappointment is heard.

Originally Posted by daveake

I have the right to state my opinion.

So go ahead....state it loud and proud!

Originally Posted by TheDoode

You want to know what I found during my first week of being a member here?

"Some of you really hate me here!"

Don't try and attack me, Daveake, because I'll call you for it time and time again. I've got nothing to hide, and I'm not doing anything 'wrong' here.

Doode.

Sad isn't it, Doode? Meat should never feel that way on a fan site. I wonder what a new person who happened to approach this forum would think? I wonder how I could help this person through those waters? I wonder if the forums reputation would be in jeopardy if a new fan saw how Meat felt about his treatment from members here?

Originally Posted by Monstro

whilst some think that Meat should be allowed to posts whatever he wants is right, I don't. Personally I don't want to see someone I've admired and followed for donkey's years reduce himself to the level of those just trying to wind him up,

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Personally I think it only right that the thread started by Evil One was locked and that the follow-up thread started by Meat was also moved.

As far as I'm concerned it should be one rule for all regardless of who the poster is, otherwise what's the point in the rules?

Monstro and Lucy, I get what your saying. I wish Meat didn't have to defend himself BUT, he's the only one that can. It's his to defend. Everyone else would be fighting "for" him. If it was a case of Evil One vs. _____(fill in anyone here) yes, we would be duct taped and told to go to PM about it. But this isn't Suzieq's UK forum, Monstro's UK Forum, or Lucy's UK Forum....it's MEAT'S. And yes it is run voluntarily by fans, but he is still the guest of honor. Do you know how many Facebook groups would love him to just visit with them? But he chooses to be here. IMO: I think exceptions should preside for him here.

As far as I know, Meat puts his pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us, he's a normal guy, he has normal feelings, and yet some flaw him for "getting down" on a level in which some are not comfortable with.

Do you enjoy getting information from Meat? Do you look forward to when he posts? Do you feel like you have importance to him when he shares the information? I've heard the term "reduce down" more times than I can count.
If it is said that he is being reduced down...then that means Meat is viewed as someone with who should have higher standards. If he has higher standards than he should be an exception for the rules to this board. Look, in our real world don't we hold Meat on a pedestal? I do. I think he has a bit more power in "say" than we all do.

Hate to be the one to possibly disappoint you, but I think people just need to get over the fact that their idol will defend himself and if people don't like it....the log off bar is on the top right of the homepage of this very site. We can not control anyone but ourselves.

This topic is very important to me otherwise, I wouldn't speak up at all. IF Meat was the one that asked the thread to be removed, then as I stated prior, I respect that. Meanwhile, Meat got what he needed to out of his system, he has always come back in a better frame of mind. I'm going to bank on the fact that he will be back here, sharing with us again....but I can also bank on the fact that he will be keeping an eye on "matters" and I feel great about that.

Suzieq

Originally Posted by AndyK

There are a number of issues raised in this thread which need to be considered. Some are pretty obvious, some require a little more consideration.

I thank you in advance for all considerations.


Suzieq

[Kathy]

woops, Doode, I missed your "Edit"

[Sarge]

I agree with everything Dave has said.

The moderators of this forum have done a very good job so far. It's none of their business what members of this forum say or don't say on other forums. What matters is whether they violate the rules of this forum. As far as I know, several members have already gotten warnings or have been banned when that was the case, so there's no reason to complain about how this forum is being moderated. It's interesting that it's usually the same bunch of people who are trying to tell the mods what to do (and I suspect many of them rather like to add fuel to fire than simply click the report button).

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Kathy

woops, Doode, I missed your "Edit"

No worries! :)

Doode.

[suzieq]

Originally Posted by meat_loaf2008

cant we all just sing kumbya and get along? Jesus people..

With all do respect, we have kumbya on all other threads of the forum...this forum is great for discussion as a whole...but in order for us NOT to have this sort of topic on those threads, I think this could be a great graveyard for the main issue which has come up on many a thread. Because it's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN.

If we want to kill this dead horse 4 x over, at the very least the mods will have a place to merge threads instead of sweeping it under a rug, which happens time and time again.

Meanwhile, if you prefer to not read this type of discussion, I can only say don't click on the thread "Meat's Posts" for now Hopefully, the measuring stick of behavior will remain.

Suzieq

[Dave]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Tell me I'm wrong: various users are allowed to constantly post derrogatory remarks (fleshed out with abuse on the other forums they post on under the same names) and Meat isn't allowed to defend himself (at his own fan community)?

Everyone is allowed to defend themselves in this world. However, constantly going back and forth and back and forth over the same few gets tiresome for the whole and in this case caused Meat Loaf to make an acute reaction. There was a moderation made to remove a thread and I can only assume that R. has not heard anything about the thread removal from Meat Loaf himself as no action has been taken to reinstate the thread, and having ran a Meat Loaf fan site of my own, when something goes down that Meat Loaf does not approve of, he does not hesitate to let you know about it.

Originally Posted by TheDoode

I'm not trying to incite a riot Dave, and I'm telling you how to run your own board, but I just can't let this one go.

This is not "my" board by any means. At one point I had a very busy Meat Loaf forum of my own, but that is in the past. I am not speaking on behalf of the entire mod team, but am speaking on my own behalf that Meat Loaf's best interest is paramount, as was how my mod duties were explained to me. I have nothing but Meat Loaf's best interest at heart here and until time is given to examine the full scope of the issue, there is not more I can say than saying the proper way to handle any offensive material you find on this forum is to click the report button and not kick up the dust on an age old (as far as Meat Loaf on the Internet goes) internet bickering match.

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I agree with everything Dave has said.

The moderators of this forum have done a very good job so far. It's none of their business what members of this forum say or don't say on other forums. What matters is whether they violate the rules of this forum. As far as I know, several members have already gotten warnings or have been banned when that was the case, so there's no reason to complain about how this forum is being moderated. It's interesting that it's usually the same bunch of people who are trying to tell the mods what to do (and I suspect many of them rather like to add fuel to fire than simply click the report button).

and its the same bunch of people who cause the crap in the first place? the difference here is that people have had enough!! and they can vent there opinions on the matter, ive seen nobody attack or say anything bad about the mods?

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Dave

Everyone is allowed to defend themselves in this world. However, constantly going back and forth and back and forth over the same few gets tiresome for the whole and in this case caused Meat Loaf to make an acute reaction. There was a moderation made to remove a thread and I can only assume that R. has not heard anything about the thread removal from Meat Loaf himself as no action has been taken to reinstate the thread, and having ran a Meat Loaf fan site of my own, when something goes down that Meat Loaf does not approve of, he does not hesitate to let you know about it.



This is not "my" board by any means. At one point I had a very busy Meat Loaf forum of my own, but that is in the past. I am not speaking on behalf of the entire mod team, but am speaking on my own behalf that Meat Loaf's best interest is paramount, as was how my mod duties were explained to me. I have nothing but Meat Loaf's best interest at heart here and until time is given to examine the full scope of the issue, there is not more I can say than saying the proper way to handle any offensive material you find on this forum is to click the report button and not kick up the dust on an age old (as far as Meat Loaf on the Internet goes) internet bickering match.

Dave... I missed out a very important 'not' in that quote... did you spot it?

Doode.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Andy says consideration is being given to the issues raised here again. So I'll await the outcome of those and hope for some solutions which will resolve things once and for all.

Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter Caryl. Please, Caryl and everyone else, know we are working on the root cause of the issue and I think everyone would be much more satisfied with a thorough scrub and well evaluated cure to the issue rather than just another knee jerk, quick fix reaction.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by nikox1

and its the same bunch of people who cause the crap in the first place? the difference here is that people have had enough!!

You've proven my point, thank you.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Dave... I missed out a very important 'not' in that quote... did you spot it?

Can you please point it out to me?

Thanks,

Dave

[nikox1]

how about we leave it for now guys? everybody go cool off!! im 100% behind you Caryl/Doode/Su/,, but lets have a kitkat, and a nice cup of tea

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Dave

Can you please point it out to me?

Thanks,

Dave

I corrected it, but you quoted me before I clicked on 'save'. It should have read "I'm NOT trying to tell you how to run your own forum".

So, sorry if that came across in the wrong light. I'm happy that you guys are seriously looking into everything we've discussed here.

Doode.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by nikox1

but lets have a kitkat, and a nice cup of tea

I already have the tea but no KitKat, unfortunately...

[meat_loaf2008]

Originally Posted by nikox1

how about we leave it for now guys? everybody go cool off!! im 100% behind you Caryl/Doode/Su/,, but lets have a kitkat, and a nice cup of tea

Tried stating this back a page...didn't help -.-. Imo, its STUPID to argue about such things. We love meat. End of story. Yeah, we all have our own opinios BUT that doesnt mean we always have to voice them. If you know what yo usay is goign to start conflict...why say it? Your just asking for shit from people.

Meat should be allowed to defend himself, yes. But he shouldn't have to.

Get over it guys. As George Carlin once said.... Its all bullsht folks, and its bad for ya....

[A Slice Of English]

I've remained fairly quiet on this thread. I am not one to fan flames in any direction but I think there needs to be some balance here.

I think some perspective should be taken. Remember why we're all here? Because we love/worship/admire/follow/WHATEVER the man that is Meat Loaf. We follow him for our own individual reasons, whether that be to do with his acting, his singing or his personality. We come to this site to express our interest in the man that has given us so much of himself over the past 40 years that really, you cannot expect him to consider us anything other than his support network. Where do you go to when you feel low? Where do you go to when you want reassurance? Where do you go to when you want to introduce your acheivements?

You go to your support network and you expect a "welcome" that no one else can give. When you've had a shit day at work, you go home and you tell your wife/husband/significant other and you share in your problems because you know that person/those people will love you no matter what. It's unconditional.

And that, THAT should be fan love. Fan is short for "fanatic". To be a fan of someone, you should be there for them when they need you. Honesty is appreciated, of course it is. If you want to be a yes-man, find somewhere else to go because how can we help someone grow, develop and go on to greater things if all we do is say "You're so good, you can't do any better"? Any support network will be there to help that person through each stage of their lives.

Meat has chosen this site, for better or worse, to be a place where he can come to mix a little, to let off steam a little and to share in his life. That is a precious, precious thing however you look at it. I think we need to understand that Meat is a man who WELCOMES feedback on his work, so long as it is productive and can HELP him see what others think and from that, maybe, just maybe take a little something away from it that he can use in the future.

Meat doesn't come here so that someone can say "I don't like it" over and over again in different ways but with the same meaning, offering nothing to the conversation. HCTB is Meat's baby, he said it himself. You don't go up to someone and say "Hey, I hate your baby, it sucks." and then every time you see that baby in the street or someone remarks on the baby you retort with a "Nah, it's ugly, I hate it", particularly when you are supposed to be part of that person's support network.

You're no fan if you do.

I'm not saying there deserves to be a double standard here. I'm saying there needs to be action taken against those who have no intention of giving Meat that unconditional support he deserves.

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Sarge

You've proven my point, thank you.

did you think that up all by yourself?,, i cant stop laughing!! i will post on the kitkat

[Dave]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

I corrected it, but you quoted me before I clicked on 'save'. It should have read "I'm NOT trying to tell you how to run your own forum".

So, sorry if that came across in the wrong light. I'm happy that you guys are seriously looking into everything we've discussed here.

Doode.

Anytime Doode...glad to see you have found your way here and are posting and joining in the conversation - good and bad. Thanks ahead of time for understanding it is a tough situation - both on the side of the mods and on the side of people who feel like they are just sitting there waiting on us to do something. We are doing the best we can for the forums.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by nikox1

did you think that up all by yourself?

No, I have one of those brain slugs from Futurama sitting on my head. Please blame everything I say on it.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Dave

Anytime Doode...glad to see you have found your way here and are posting and joining in the conversation - good and bad. Thanks ahead of time for understanding it is a tough situation - both on the side of the mods and on the side of people who feel like they are just sitting there waiting on us to do something. We are doing the best we can for the forums.

No worries Dave, it's got to be hard to know which action to take sometimes. I think everyone here appreciates what you and the other mods do.

Doode.

[suzieq]

Originally Posted by Dave

Please, Caryl and everyone else, know we are working on the root cause of the issue and I think everyone would be much more satisfied with a thorough scrub and well evaluated cure to the issue rather than just another knee jerk, quick fix reaction.

Scrub away!!!!! I love a clean slate!

Originally Posted by nikox1

how about we leave it for now guys? everybody go cool off!! im 100% behind you Caryl/Doode/Su/,, but lets have a kitkat, and a nice cup of tea

All I have is some sub-par Dunkin' Donuts Java and a granola bar...it'll have to do.

Suzieq

[Dave]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I'm not saying there deserves to be a double standard here. I'm saying there needs to be action taken against those who have no intention of giving Meat that unconditional support he deserves.

This is currently being looked into by the mod team.

[A Slice Of English]

I think the real message is in the rest of my post.

[Megan]

Originally Posted by Dave

This is currently being looked into by the mod team.

Dave - thanks to the moderators for looking into it and taking the time to come up with appropriate action(s). Meat and the integrity of the site deserves it :)