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I have been swamped lately, and couldn't visit this site in time to see firsthand what Meat said yesterday. Some of his posts were copied to me privately but I still haven't seen them all. When a heckler causes a problem, Meat often ends up speaking "for" many of us by addressing the heckler directly, using language we cannot. Naturally I wish Meat didn't have to do this, and the heckler's posts could simply be deleted. But when Meat feels forced to reply, I always feel better after he does. I wish the thread hadn't been deleted.

I have kept quiet about the issue of a forum for the new MeatLoaf.net, thinking it's Meat's choice, and if he prefers to post here, fine, I'll post here, too. But I come here primarily to read what Meat has to say. I don't want anyone deleting Meat's posts (other than Meat himself, of course). Locking a thread that has become combative makes a certain amount of sense, but if you do, cut it off right after Meat's last post, and leave it up. In his deleted posts, Meat was expressing opinions and feelings I have shared for some time, but if I posted so freely it would be considered flaming, and rightly so. But Meat should be under no such constraints! Is this a double standard? You bet it is!!!! If Meat can't say whatever he wants on a forum that bears his name, he shouldn't waste his time here, and since I want to read his uncensored comments, neither should I.

Strong words coming from me, but I feel strongly about it. I am hoping that the truth of "you can't have your cake and eat it too" will sink in, the choice will be made to accept the honor of hosting (and not muzzling!) Meat, and the thread (up to and including his last post, with the rest lopped off) will be restored.

hopefully, Kathy

Well said Kathy, I am in complete agreement. Meat should be able to come here without being attacked or disrespected. I always feel badly for him when people are rude to him and he has every right to respond in kind. I was annoyed to see his posts had been removed as well.

Carole

gotta agree 100% with you on that

Yep, you get my vote! Meat shouldn't have to put up with that sh*t, and he sure as hell shouldn't have to put up with it here (of all places). I mean, the name on the top is MEAT LOAF. Clues in the title, people!

Doode. :cool:

It was a pretty ugly thread and I'm glad it has been removed. I do not favor censorship but with regard to the reputation of this forum, I think it was the right decision. People who aren't familiar with the background and who stumble over such threads could easily misinterpret them.

not one for gossip... but i wanna know who said what

and how did i miss it?

I missed it too. like to know who and what set him off again

I'm going to have to agree 100% with Kathy here. I was also made aware of posts that were deleted/locked. By the time I got around to logging on the posts were already gone. I wished to have seen it because Meat does say what others and I cannot. He's the only one that can call someone out on junk and should be able to freely. If we all started defending Meat or Meat's principles then it would turn into a virtual riot....and that isn't enjoyable for anyone. Nor would it a flattering show of a forum, IMO.

So what happens, the more passive person sits on their hands to not go into severe defensive mode and wait for their knight in shining armor to say something.

Today, Kathy, you are my knight....Thank you so much for stepping up to the plate so eloquently. I think the thread should show itself as well. I'm all for Meat saying whatever it is he needs to say and when he needs to say it.



The reputation of this forum is going to end up being the place for fans to beat up on Meat if it isn't careful here. As well as, the forum in which Meat was censored from which bears his name.

Suzieq

I have to totally agree with you Kathy.
Love seeing 'Fire Ball' back on here and as you say he has the most right to be here and as it's his site he should be able to post whatever the hell he wants to however I do think sometimes peoples intents are fishing for a confrontation and in turn that ruins it for the latter. Sad but true :shrug:.

Well, Suzieq, I read the respective thread in it's entirety. What Kathy, you and others defend is something that makes me very, very sad.

Wow thats shocking that people would verbally attack Meat on a foroum for fans I hate trolls

I agree Kathy ... Meat should be able to post whatever he wants and made to feel comfortable,
especially here. I enjoy reading Meat's posts, and it bothers me to see him get upset and have
to defend himself.

Having said that, I admit I didn't have a chance to read through the entire thread yesterday morning.
But from what I did see, I agree with Sarge .. it was pretty ugly and I was glad to see it removed.
Maybe Meat himself even asked someone to delete it :??: IMO it was in his best interest in this case.

I read the entire thing too, and Meat was completely justified in everything that he wrote. I know I'm relatively 'new' here, but the exact thing that's been getting to Meat has bothered me since day one. And that's the sad thing - if it wasn't for so much negative emphasis by a very small number of people, this would be a great place for everyone.

Doode.

What saddens me is the reason he has to do it at all. Unfortunately we cannot control others and they are going to run their mouths off. Meat should have the double standard and be treated as a guest of honor here.

@Vicki if Meat indeed requested the thread to be closed....I will respect that wish.

Exactly!! ..and Meat didn't even lose his temper. I agreed with everything he said and the way he said it.

-Kathy

Exactly :(

It did get extreemly ugly and I am not defending that but it's sad that Meat was pushed to that extreem on his own forum !!

I totally 100% agree with you and I also read the entire thing including Meat's thread AFTER the original got locked. And yes it's sad that a few have to spoil it for others who are excited and want to share Meat's excitement and enthusiasm.

didnt see the thread so can't comment on its content... however,

if theres a negative emphasis from a small number of people? why is that a problem?

respect/opinions/choice/preference etc

The majority have said how great it is, the reviews have been very positive, the sales have been strong

why are you soo insecure that someone may not worship something?

YOU ALL HAVE OPINIONS, YOURE OPINION IS NO MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYONE ELSE'

With all the love in the world, don't call me 'insecure'. It's not about people 'worshipping', it's about multiple unessesary posts littering threads with the sole intention (obvious or not) of bringing the general vibe down for everyone else. If someone wants to post something constructive and critical, power to them, if someone wants to post the equivalent of 'shit' after every page... that bothers me. It obviously bothers Meat too.

Doode. :cool:

what if? someone wants to post something critical based on what they experienced?

Or maybe just develop a thick skin about certain comments? ;) Some people provoke on purpose, some are just clumsy when it comes to their wording... Meat has every right to react to certain offenses, yet I think it depends on what that reaction looks like. I have seen too many posts on this board I wish I hadn't seen and which had a very negative impact on the way I used to perceive certain things and people.

I absolutely agree with you ... I think it's sad too :(

All I can say to that is 'see my previous post'.

Doode. :cool:

so critisism is fine, as long as its positive?

So... Meat should just ignore 'certain comments' while the perpetrator gets to say whatever he wants?

That's all kinds of wrong.

Man, I thought you were all for anti-censorship?

Doode.