STOP...IN THE NAME OF LOVE!!! - Page 3

mszee · 03 Jan 2007, 18:36

I have to agree with RJ 100%...

Exactly my thoughts but didn't have time to post from work.

Pudding · 10 Jan 2007, 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

I'm more concerned as to why anyone would know that..!!

Me too

And RJ makes some very valid points

Pud

**RadioMaster** · 10 Jan 2007, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Me too

And RJ makes some very valid points

Pud

Wow and that from the pudding himself!

Thanks Sir!

Mick Loaf · 13 Jan 2007, 14:22

Glad to see thngs have calmed down a bit. Maybe it was like a bushfire?
Nature's way of starting again. Sometimes it's good to have a bit of an
arguement to clear the air.

And I also have to agree with RJ, Meat posting here is a nice touch but it's not the be all and end all of the site.
It's the members as a whole that make me want to return.

KebLou · 13 Jan 2007, 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

Actually,
Meat Loaf is a great artist and I really like his music, and I respect him for what he did/does, but he´s a person like you and me, he´s not God or somebody who´s worth more than other people.

OMG! Finally!

The bit I've put in bold I agree with 150% and I have been saying this for oh like 2 years and I've been shot down told I'm stupid and various other things, glad someone else agrees.

mszee · 13 Jan 2007, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by KebLou

OMG! Finally!

The bit I've put in bold I agree with 150% and I have been saying this for oh like 2 years and I've been shot down told I'm stupid and various other things, glad someone else agrees.

Really? You'll find out that at this point quite a few of us agree...

Pudding · 15 Jan 2007, 02:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

Really? You'll find out that at this point quite a few of us agree...

There's more that don't and that's how some of problems are started.

Pud

**allrevvedup** · 15 Jan 2007, 13:31

well in general we could do with less of the 'keep your opinions to yourself' attitude.

So good threads with healthy arguments are fine by me.

**RadioMaster** · 15 Jan 2007, 15:09

Ditto (to avoid the phrase CHSIB

)

**allrevvedup** · 15 Jan 2007, 16:22

amen (and awomen, cause i'm not sexist!) to that

mszee · 15 Jan 2007, 16:28

How strange that things quieted down with Meat not coming here...hmmm...

**allrevvedup** · 15 Jan 2007, 16:38

I look forward to seeing Meat post here again, whenever that is.

but it's not the be all and end all for my posting here

LucyK! · 15 Jan 2007, 17:28

I think a lot of thoughts and feelings were being kept in - and I include myself there - it built up, threads like this were started, people vented, it's done with. Fab.

**allrevvedup** · 15 Jan 2007, 17:40

it's like cheap therapy...without the couch!

*AndyK* · 15 Jan 2007, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

it's like cheap therapy...without the couch!

Cheap? We'll be sending invoices out shortly

**allrevvedup** · 15 Jan 2007, 17:48

If that's the case my address is '15 Yemen Road, Yemen'

KebLou · 16 Jan 2007, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

Really? You'll find out that at this point quite a few of us agree...

Maybe at this point, but only a few months ago (half a year ago now) most people wouldn't be able to say that without starting WWIII or is it IV now.

mszee · 16 Jan 2007, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by KebLou

Maybe at this point, but only a few months ago (half a year ago now) most people wouldn't be able to say that without starting WWIII or is it IV now.

I've been here almost a year now...think I've missed all the excitement somehow...and it feels great!!!

**The Flying Mouse** · 16 Jan 2007, 15:02

Just a couple general observations, why is it that with the various Meat Loaf communities on the web, the same people seem to follow the same people onto every forum and have the same arguments?

This is something that has long confused me

Another forum I visit (yep, believe it or not I have a life away from this place

) was going through a dreadful bout of arguing because people cpuldn't get on.
In the end, a splinter group went off and made their own forum, and things have been AWESOME

Not one fight or argument, never a word said in anger, just a group of folks with a common interest talking about our thing and having a lot of fun in the off topic section.

Now on the subject of is Meat god....

Well, whatever, but, this was at one time a forum he read and posted on.

I don't know if you remember this, but Meat came here in the run up to CHSIB, and told us (words to the effect of) "I haven't told the record company yet, you guys are the first to know, this is the track list of the new album.

Don't know about anyone else, but I happen to thing that is pretty mother cluckin cool.

So why is it, that on the one site Meat was posting on, people had to give him grief?

There are people who believe (right or wrong) that having the artist on the forum destoys what the forum is.
You cannot have an honest opinion because the artist might be offended.

But there are other ML communities online.

Naked Wire, Mirror Of The Soul, two respected names in the online ML world, and both have forums that welcome honest opinions no matter what they might be.

OK, so everyone in the world with an "honest" opinion goes off and sets up a forum.

What does that leave mlukfc as?

A site of Meat Loaf obsessed sycophants toadying to a self righeous rock singer who'll spit his dummy out if you don't praise every golden sound that comes from his mouth?

Where would this leave this other forum?

A group of know it all music snobs with their heads up their own asses, feeling all big and grown up because they are sharing their opinions, and nobody can tell them what to say, or what to think, and it doesn't matter that they couldn't hit top C with a fart after a chicken vindaloo, at the end of the day they are right and that's that and you can't change our opinion and Meat can't tell us what to think so there

BUT, look at the forums with a different eye.

On one forum, Meat is amongst people who make him feel good about the work he has put out.
He gets the acklaim that EVERY artist needs.
The forum members are able to enjoy the company of their idol, and to thank him for the latest slice of Loaf.

Everyone on the forum is HAPPY.

On the other forum, people are exchanging views and debating the tracks on the last album.
There is nobody telling them that they are wrong, there is 100% free speech, and no subject is taboo.

People on that forum are HAPPY.

Can ANYONE see where i'm going with this?

Why has it become that people feel obligated to follow each other around to argue with each other, when it's obvious that those people do NOT get on, do NOT like each other, and will NEVER change the mind of the other person?

**allrevvedup** · 16 Jan 2007, 15:52

Fair points all round

From my point of view the thing that annoys me to read are the ones that blindly follow no matter what is said.

I'm all for debate, cause that's what a forum is about, but there's no chance of a debate when someone's(either Meat Loaf's or anyone else's) is agreed with and treated like infallibility is alive and well.

The undercurrent of anger has reduced significantly and maybe Mszee put her finger on the right reason or part of it.

In one way or another we're all passionate about the music of, and some cases the man, Meat Loaf.

At the end of it all I'd like to be able to express my view about a song/an album/a live performance, be it positive or negative in a constructive way. I'll always back up my point. I don't expect people to agree with me, but i do expect people to respect my view.

Pudding · 17 Jan 2007, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Can ANYONE see where i'm going with this?

Not really. You had me at Hello! but lost me at the "fart after a chicken vindaloo"

Pud

**allrevvedup** · 17 Jan 2007, 11:40

I can probably hit top C in a song and be nicely aided by my own personal wind section but chicken vindalo isn't usually on my menu

firefly · 17 Jan 2007, 12:27

KebLou · 17 Jan 2007, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Not really. You had me at Hello! but lost me at the "fart after a chicken vindaloo"

Pud

Ditto...

**The Flying Mouse** · 17 Jan 2007, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Not really. You had me at Hello! but lost me at the "fart after a chicken vindaloo"

Pud

My post was really THAT hard to understand?

I'll try and talk really slowly this time shall I and try to use smaller words

People who want to express negative opinions would be happier away from people who just want to look at the positive sides of Meat's career.

People who want to focus on the good stuff Meat has done would be happier away from people who are happy to post their negative opinion.

Good enough, or should I get the letter bricks out?

15 Jan 2007, 15:09	#59
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Ditto (to avoid the phrase CHSIB)

03 Jan 2007, 18:36	#51
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I have to agree with RJ 100%... Exactly my thoughts but didn't have time to post from work.

13 Jan 2007, 14:22	#54
Mick Loaf Thread Killer Join Date: 10.11.2005 Location: Livingston Posts: 1,140	Glad to see thngs have calmed down a bit. Maybe it was like a bushfire? Nature's way of starting again. Sometimes it's good to have a bit of an arguement to clear the air. And I also have to agree with RJ, Meat posting here is a nice touch but it's not the be all and end all of the site. It's the members as a whole that make me want to return.

15 Jan 2007, 13:31	#58
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	well in general we could do with less of the 'keep your opinions to yourself' attitude. So good threads with healthy arguments are fine by me.

15 Jan 2007, 16:22	#60
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	amen (and awomen, cause i'm not sexist!) to that

15 Jan 2007, 16:28	#61
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	How strange that things quieted down with Meat not coming here...hmmm...

15 Jan 2007, 16:38	#62
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	I look forward to seeing Meat post here again, whenever that is. but it's not the be all and end all for my posting here

15 Jan 2007, 17:28	#63
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	I think a lot of thoughts and feelings were being kept in - and I include myself there - it built up, threads like this were started, people vented, it's done with. Fab.

15 Jan 2007, 17:40	#64
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	it's like cheap therapy...without the couch!

15 Jan 2007, 17:48	#66
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	If that's the case my address is '15 Yemen Road, Yemen'

16 Jan 2007, 15:02	#69
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Just a couple general observations, why is it that with the various Meat Loaf communities on the web, the same people seem to follow the same people onto every forum and have the same arguments? This is something that has long confused me Another forum I visit (yep, believe it or not I have a life away from this place ) was going through a dreadful bout of arguing because people cpuldn't get on. In the end, a splinter group went off and made their own forum, and things have been AWESOME Not one fight or argument, never a word said in anger, just a group of folks with a common interest talking about our thing and having a lot of fun in the off topic section. Now on the subject of is Meat god.... Well, whatever, but, this was at one time a forum he read and posted on. I don't know if you remember this, but Meat came here in the run up to CHSIB, and told us (words to the effect of) "I haven't told the record company yet, you guys are the first to know, this is the track list of the new album. Don't know about anyone else, but I happen to thing that is pretty mother cluckin cool. So why is it, that on the one site Meat was posting on, people had to give him grief? There are people who believe (right or wrong) that having the artist on the forum destoys what the forum is. You cannot have an honest opinion because the artist might be offended. But there are other ML communities online. Naked Wire, Mirror Of The Soul, two respected names in the online ML world, and both have forums that welcome honest opinions no matter what they might be. OK, so everyone in the world with an "honest" opinion goes off and sets up a forum. What does that leave mlukfc as? A site of Meat Loaf obsessed sycophants toadying to a self righeous rock singer who'll spit his dummy out if you don't praise every golden sound that comes from his mouth? Where would this leave this other forum? A group of know it all music snobs with their heads up their own asses, feeling all big and grown up because they are sharing their opinions, and nobody can tell them what to say, or what to think, and it doesn't matter that they couldn't hit top C with a fart after a chicken vindaloo, at the end of the day they are right and that's that and you can't change our opinion and Meat can't tell us what to think so there BUT, look at the forums with a different eye. On one forum, Meat is amongst people who make him feel good about the work he has put out. He gets the acklaim that EVERY artist needs. The forum members are able to enjoy the company of their idol, and to thank him for the latest slice of Loaf. Everyone on the forum is HAPPY. On the other forum, people are exchanging views and debating the tracks on the last album. There is nobody telling them that they are wrong, there is 100% free speech, and no subject is taboo. People on that forum are HAPPY. Can ANYONE see where i'm going with this? Why has it become that people feel obligated to follow each other around to argue with each other, when it's obvious that those people do NOT get on, do NOT like each other, and will NEVER change the mind of the other person?

16 Jan 2007, 15:52	#70
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	Fair points all round From my point of view the thing that annoys me to read are the ones that blindly follow no matter what is said. I'm all for debate, cause that's what a forum is about, but there's no chance of a debate when someone's(either Meat Loaf's or anyone else's) is agreed with and treated like infallibility is alive and well. The undercurrent of anger has reduced significantly and maybe Mszee put her finger on the right reason or part of it. In one way or another we're all passionate about the music of, and some cases the man, Meat Loaf. At the end of it all I'd like to be able to express my view about a song/an album/a live performance, be it positive or negative in a constructive way. I'll always back up my point. I don't expect people to agree with me, but i do expect people to respect my view.

17 Jan 2007, 11:40	#72
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	I can probably hit top C in a song and be nicely aided by my own personal wind section but chicken vindalo isn't usually on my menu

17 Jan 2007, 12:27	#73
firefly Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.07.2006 Location: paradise Posts: 3,088