STOP...IN THE NAME OF LOVE!!! - Page 2

mszee · 07 Dec 2006, 00:28

I haven't been here 2 years ago...but understand a lot of people left...don't know why...don't know if I would have missed them should I have known them then...but...if somebody leaves now...we all just might miss them.

mszee · 07 Dec 2006, 00:34

Just left and had to come back...

I am not big on reporting people to mods...I'd rather straighten things out or try to myself with offender directly...

With this said...there is a point in Pud's post.

If you feel you were insulted and/or you can't deal with the person directly and privately which, of course, is an optimal way...yes, there are mods here and pretty good ones too...let them handle it then...

AGAIN...this will prevent public fights where everybody and their uncle are involved and it esclates into a huge mountain which was nothing but a molehill to start with...

Pudding · 07 Dec 2006, 01:17

A lot of the so-called fights wouldn't occur if the 2 or 3 or whatever people were left alone to discuss whatever they wanted to discuss. It's when someone labels it as a fight, then it's seen as a fight, when really it wasn't a fight at all, just strong opinions discussed in a manner that the individuals best knows how.

If people aren't free to fully express their viewpoint, even if it's positive or negative or whatever, without fear of the thread being locked or someone jumping the gun and getting their facts all screwed up, then a situation has been created where a situation never existed and a certain level of angst boild over onto another post.

There's a lot of so called do-gooders out there who think they're doing good but are in fact shit-stirring. You only have to look at the recent fanvideo thread for a classic example of that.

Pud

mszee · 07 Dec 2006, 01:35

I am not even going to go into that fan video thread issue - I don't understand really what happened there except for the sake of restoring peace let's just chalk it off to misunderstanding.

But that actually leads me to another issue.

If you choose to post here any kind of your personally made art...or if you decide to bring your personal issues into this forum...

People here have been known for extreme gentleness when it comes to things like that...

BUT...

Once your choice is made...be ready for a critique. If you can't handle the heat...don't jump into the fire.

Even famous artists, singers, actors, etc. get criticized...why shouldn't you?

And it's not like you're a Meat Loaf and it's not like it's your fanclub site...so...once again...if you don't want everybody's honest opinion...don't post your stuff here then. It might be a treasure to you and to your family but a puzzling gibberish to others. Plenty of people don't like Mona Lisa...so your art isn't exempt. And it doesn't mean that it's bad...but you do open yourself to the wide range of audience here...

If you're a sensitive artist...and might get hurt...don't blame anybody if your art is misunderstood and you actually do get hurt...rather share your treasures with close to you people who will appreciate it or at least run it first by close circle of friends...

Pudding · 07 Dec 2006, 01:43

I only mentioned the fanvideo thread as an example only because it's something thats happened recently and it's not something I wish to discuss further.

The rest of your post I pretty much agree with.

Pud

Rockette · 07 Dec 2006, 02:06

There are many posts here with which I wholeheartedly agree and relate. It took me a long time to feel comfortable posting here, because of a measure of bickering and negative criticism happening.

Not all here are eloquent in our posts. Some are timid and play down their thoughts for fear of intimidation. Some are limited in their expression by virtue of their first language being non-English. Some of us just want to be frivolous, and there are threads available for that. My recent change of avatar, siggie, etc, was a reflection of my lighter approach here, and I hope is taken in that same light. I think Meat himself would be the first to foster good humour, or at least, an attempt at it.

I have noted, with alarm, a downturn in good manners on other forums as well. Without the benefit of face-to-face contact, a lot of dry humour is easily misconstrued also. The use of smileys would significantly reduce some of these misunderstandings. As for the lack of good manners, I don’t think we’re going to get on top of that one quite so easily. We can only hope we all give careful consideration of others before posting our criticisms / opinions. “Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.” ??

I take Pud's point about the post he mentions. I read that thread, then went away and thought about it quietly. When I returned to the thread, I was able to see it from a slightly different angle. Perhaps a step back before jumping in with both feet might help somewhat for others as well.

I'm not going to include great amounts of love hearts, smileys, or even encourage a group hug here. I think we all just need some timeout to cool down.

mszee · 07 Dec 2006, 02:16

Very valid and important point to emphasize here would be English as a second or third or whatever language.

Although this is UK Fan Club, there are a lot of us here who learned English as an adults and not using it on every day basis just don't have a strong command of it. I personally have been known to offend people just by simple construction...or shall we call it MISCONSTRUCTION of my sentences...and it would take me ages to figure out what exactly did I say to offend when no offense was ever meant.

On top of it...we come from different cultures. Something to take into consideration too. So...if you're British...and reading a post of a person from non-English speaking country...please give them your benefit of a doubt...

Rockette · 07 Dec 2006, 02:29

Hell, I've spoken Aussie English all my life!

And I still get myself in strife.

clpmss · 07 Dec 2006, 02:49

Thank you Pudding but I will not report people I just ignore them. And NO you were not the one who sent the PM to Tina and it's her right not to come back here again. She wants to know what's going on here she asks me. As for as myself reporting people for her, sorry to say, it's her battle and her choice is not to come back. I have learned from other people not to get involved, that's how you loose friends.

That's it.

Blackkat13 · 23 Dec 2006, 07:42

I do the same thing Ignore them...or block them Thank fully I haven't had any bad things on here to do that.

geordieloaf · 23 Dec 2006, 11:44

I know at times thing's get took the wrong way, but i agree that when a few have a difference of opinion people outside should leave them to it.
I don't know how many times in the short time i have been here that people get involved in something that doen't concern them.
As a newie it took sometime to get to terms with how thing's were on here. It can be quite intimerdating when you first start posting. At first i was not posting incase i got stick for what i would say.
Now thankfully i have stuck at it and don't know how i have managed for so long without this site. You know sometimes if someone say's something to you it's best to wait a while before replying because usually when you post it in the heat of the moment you don't say the right thing.
Sorry for rambling so much.

As the great John Lennon said - Give peace a chance.

**allrevvedup** · 28 Dec 2006, 17:01

Lennon also said 'One man's fantasy is another's reality', but yeah geordie loaf basically yeah i agree with you...

Things don't seem to be as heated here, well for the past couple of weeks, recently.

L96 · 29 Dec 2006, 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

Things don't seem to be as heated here, well for the past couple of weeks, recently.

If you check, you'll find an awful lot of regular posters have stopped posting and/or visiting, and the general number of posts has dropped dramatically. Which means everyone can agree with each other in peace.

**allrevvedup** · 29 Dec 2006, 10:57

it's also christmas and a lot of people arent back in work yet...unfortunately i am!

mszee · 01 Jan 2007, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

it's also christmas and a lot of people arent back in work yet...unfortunately i am!

I agree...most forums get very quiet at this time of the year...well...we're back with vengeance!!!

Blackkat13 · 02 Jan 2007, 03:17

Well this forum is always business

**allrevvedup** · 02 Jan 2007, 15:52

if this forum is business,maybe i should get a new contract with better terms then the last one i had (long term deal no pay)

MeatGrl1 · 02 Jan 2007, 21:34

Like I said before things get taken out of context and then you get problems but it seems that an appology doesn't help either sometimes. Because of negativity and bickering we have driven Meat away and I don't know if it is temporary or not but really is this what we wanted? At a guess I would say no but it's happened. I think you can be misunderstood in so many ways and the best option is to stay quiet quite alot of the time, unfortunatly I found out the hard way.
However it's a brand new year so let's start again!

Rockette · 02 Jan 2007, 23:25

At the risk of being roundly lambasted ~ I did offer my thoughts on this thread early on, so CHISB, MeatGrl.

**allrevvedup** · 03 Jan 2007, 13:01

Meat Loaf not posting here in a little while doesn't mean we have driven him away...more then likely he's got a tour to prepare for, a video to shoot and various other business I would imagine.

I wouldn't encourage anyone to stay silent just incase they rock the boat, but i would say that there's ways to get your point across constructively and fairly. Long as we have that kind of freedom in here i think it'll be ok.

MeatGrl1 · 03 Jan 2007, 15:43

Huhum ! he's been on .net pratically every day since the 11th December so go figure

!

mszee · 03 Jan 2007, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

Huhum ! he's been on .net pratically every day since the 11th December so go figure

!

Well, .Net IS his official site...

LucyK! · 03 Jan 2007, 16:25

I'm more concerned as to why anyone would know that..!!

**RadioMaster** · 03 Jan 2007, 16:53

Actually,
the fact that Mr Loaf is visiting and posting on this forum is a nice addition to the forum, so we get news and infos from the man himself
BUT
I come here because of the great people and the interesting discussions and arguments and even if he left the site, that wouldnt be a reason for me to leave the site, to cry or to shut up.

As I said many times before:
Meat Loaf is a great artist and I really like his music, and I respect him for what he did/does, but he´s a person like you and me, he´s not God or somebody who´s worth more than other people.
If he stays or leaves, that´s his business, not ours. I would think that it´s sad, but I wouldnt really be bothered much. It would be much worse if some of my friends here would leave the site.

**allrevvedup** · 03 Jan 2007, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

Huhum ! he's been on .net pratically every day since the 11th December so go figure

!

So that means?...

[quote] RJ: 'he´s not God or somebody who´s worth more than other people.
If he stays or leaves, that´s his business, not ours. I would think that it´s sad, but I wouldnt really be bothered much. It would be much worse if some of my friends here would leave the site.'

Great point, if Meat Loaf wants to post here, great. If he wants to reply to any of private messages(which he has been nice enough to do so before) then that's great too, but I didn't join the official .net fanclub because for what it costs it doesn't seem to give enough , but that's just me standing on the outside (yes it's a pun!)

This place can be fun, there's some really decent people who like to come and have a decent discussion with give and take.

03 Jan 2007, 15:43	#46
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Huhum ! he's been on .net pratically every day since the 11th December so go figure!

07 Dec 2006, 00:28	#26
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I haven't been here 2 years ago...but understand a lot of people left...don't know why...don't know if I would have missed them should I have known them then...but...if somebody leaves now...we all just might miss them.

07 Dec 2006, 00:34	#27
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Just left and had to come back... I am not big on reporting people to mods...I'd rather straighten things out or try to myself with offender directly... With this said...there is a point in Pud's post. If you feel you were insulted and/or you can't deal with the person directly and privately which, of course, is an optimal way...yes, there are mods here and pretty good ones too...let them handle it then... AGAIN...this will prevent public fights where everybody and their uncle are involved and it esclates into a huge mountain which was nothing but a molehill to start with...

07 Dec 2006, 01:17	#28
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	A lot of the so-called fights wouldn't occur if the 2 or 3 or whatever people were left alone to discuss whatever they wanted to discuss. It's when someone labels it as a fight, then it's seen as a fight, when really it wasn't a fight at all, just strong opinions discussed in a manner that the individuals best knows how. If people aren't free to fully express their viewpoint, even if it's positive or negative or whatever, without fear of the thread being locked or someone jumping the gun and getting their facts all screwed up, then a situation has been created where a situation never existed and a certain level of angst boild over onto another post. There's a lot of so called do-gooders out there who think they're doing good but are in fact shit-stirring. You only have to look at the recent fanvideo thread for a classic example of that. Pud

07 Dec 2006, 01:35	#29
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I am not even going to go into that fan video thread issue - I don't understand really what happened there except for the sake of restoring peace let's just chalk it off to misunderstanding. But that actually leads me to another issue. If you choose to post here any kind of your personally made art...or if you decide to bring your personal issues into this forum... People here have been known for extreme gentleness when it comes to things like that... BUT... Once your choice is made...be ready for a critique. If you can't handle the heat...don't jump into the fire. Even famous artists, singers, actors, etc. get criticized...why shouldn't you? And it's not like you're a Meat Loaf and it's not like it's your fanclub site...so...once again...if you don't want everybody's honest opinion...don't post your stuff here then. It might be a treasure to you and to your family but a puzzling gibberish to others. Plenty of people don't like Mona Lisa...so your art isn't exempt. And it doesn't mean that it's bad...but you do open yourself to the wide range of audience here... If you're a sensitive artist...and might get hurt...don't blame anybody if your art is misunderstood and you actually do get hurt...rather share your treasures with close to you people who will appreciate it or at least run it first by close circle of friends...

07 Dec 2006, 01:43	#30
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I only mentioned the fanvideo thread as an example only because it's something thats happened recently and it's not something I wish to discuss further. The rest of your post I pretty much agree with. Pud

07 Dec 2006, 02:06	#31
Rockette Mega Loafer Join Date: 10.06.2005 Location: I think! Posts: 4,805	There are many posts here with which I wholeheartedly agree and relate. It took me a long time to feel comfortable posting here, because of a measure of bickering and negative criticism happening. Not all here are eloquent in our posts. Some are timid and play down their thoughts for fear of intimidation. Some are limited in their expression by virtue of their first language being non-English. Some of us just want to be frivolous, and there are threads available for that. My recent change of avatar, siggie, etc, was a reflection of my lighter approach here, and I hope is taken in that same light. I think Meat himself would be the first to foster good humour, or at least, an attempt at it. I have noted, with alarm, a downturn in good manners on other forums as well. Without the benefit of face-to-face contact, a lot of dry humour is easily misconstrued also. The use of smileys would significantly reduce some of these misunderstandings. As for the lack of good manners, I don’t think we’re going to get on top of that one quite so easily. We can only hope we all give careful consideration of others before posting our criticisms / opinions. “Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.” ?? I take Pud's point about the post he mentions. I read that thread, then went away and thought about it quietly. When I returned to the thread, I was able to see it from a slightly different angle. Perhaps a step back before jumping in with both feet might help somewhat for others as well. I'm not going to include great amounts of love hearts, smileys, or even encourage a group hug here. I think we all just need some timeout to cool down.

07 Dec 2006, 02:16	#32
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Very valid and important point to emphasize here would be English as a second or third or whatever language. Although this is UK Fan Club, there are a lot of us here who learned English as an adults and not using it on every day basis just don't have a strong command of it. I personally have been known to offend people just by simple construction...or shall we call it MISCONSTRUCTION of my sentences...and it would take me ages to figure out what exactly did I say to offend when no offense was ever meant. On top of it...we come from different cultures. Something to take into consideration too. So...if you're British...and reading a post of a person from non-English speaking country...please give them your benefit of a doubt...

07 Dec 2006, 02:29	#33
Rockette Mega Loafer Join Date: 10.06.2005 Location: I think! Posts: 4,805	Hell, I've spoken Aussie English all my life! And I still get myself in strife.

07 Dec 2006, 02:49	#34
clpmss Anything for Sir Meat Loaf Join Date: 24.09.2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 644	Thank you Pudding but I will not report people I just ignore them. And NO you were not the one who sent the PM to Tina and it's her right not to come back here again. She wants to know what's going on here she asks me. As for as myself reporting people for her, sorry to say, it's her battle and her choice is not to come back. I have learned from other people not to get involved, that's how you loose friends. That's it.

23 Dec 2006, 07:42	#35
Blackkat13 Mega Loafer Join Date: 30.07.2006 Location: Hell, Michigan Posts: 1,989	I do the same thing Ignore them...or block them Thank fully I haven't had any bad things on here to do that.

23 Dec 2006, 11:44	#36
geordieloaf Can't You See My Faded Geordie Jeans Bursting Apart Join Date: 25.10.2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,360	I know at times thing's get took the wrong way, but i agree that when a few have a difference of opinion people outside should leave them to it. I don't know how many times in the short time i have been here that people get involved in something that doen't concern them. As a newie it took sometime to get to terms with how thing's were on here. It can be quite intimerdating when you first start posting. At first i was not posting incase i got stick for what i would say. Now thankfully i have stuck at it and don't know how i have managed for so long without this site. You know sometimes if someone say's something to you it's best to wait a while before replying because usually when you post it in the heat of the moment you don't say the right thing. Sorry for rambling so much. As the great John Lennon said - Give peace a chance.

28 Dec 2006, 17:01	#37
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	Lennon also said 'One man's fantasy is another's reality', but yeah geordie loaf basically yeah i agree with you... Things don't seem to be as heated here, well for the past couple of weeks, recently.

29 Dec 2006, 10:57	#39
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	it's also christmas and a lot of people arent back in work yet...unfortunately i am!

02 Jan 2007, 03:17	#41
Blackkat13 Mega Loafer Join Date: 30.07.2006 Location: Hell, Michigan Posts: 1,989	Well this forum is always business

02 Jan 2007, 15:52	#42
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	if this forum is business,maybe i should get a new contract with better terms then the last one i had (long term deal no pay)

02 Jan 2007, 21:34	#43
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Like I said before things get taken out of context and then you get problems but it seems that an appology doesn't help either sometimes. Because of negativity and bickering we have driven Meat away and I don't know if it is temporary or not but really is this what we wanted? At a guess I would say no but it's happened. I think you can be misunderstood in so many ways and the best option is to stay quiet quite alot of the time, unfortunatly I found out the hard way. However it's a brand new year so let's start again!

02 Jan 2007, 23:25	#44
Rockette Mega Loafer Join Date: 10.06.2005 Location: I think! Posts: 4,805	At the risk of being roundly lambasted ~ I did offer my thoughts on this thread early on, so CHISB, MeatGrl.

03 Jan 2007, 13:01	#45
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	Meat Loaf not posting here in a little while doesn't mean we have driven him away...more then likely he's got a tour to prepare for, a video to shoot and various other business I would imagine. I wouldn't encourage anyone to stay silent just incase they rock the boat, but i would say that there's ways to get your point across constructively and fairly. Long as we have that kind of freedom in here i think it'll be ok.

03 Jan 2007, 16:25	#48
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	I'm more concerned as to why anyone would know that..!!

03 Jan 2007, 16:53	#49
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Actually, the fact that Mr Loaf is visiting and posting on this forum is a nice addition to the forum, so we get news and infos from the man himself BUT I come here because of the great people and the interesting discussions and arguments and even if he left the site, that wouldnt be a reason for me to leave the site, to cry or to shut up. As I said many times before: Meat Loaf is a great artist and I really like his music, and I respect him for what he did/does, but he´s a person like you and me, he´s not God or somebody who´s worth more than other people. If he stays or leaves, that´s his business, not ours. I would think that it´s sad, but I wouldnt really be bothered much. It would be much worse if some of my friends here would leave the site.