This ring a bell?

**The Flying Mouse** · 28 Feb 2007, 20:10

Came accross this before, thought i'd share.

LucyK! · 28 Feb 2007, 20:12

Ohhh Mr Whelan...they've made a right mess of that pic haven't they!

**RadioMaster** · 28 Feb 2007, 20:29

very interesting....
wonder why they used the same picture for two different releases...
Only explanation that springs to mind is that the RNRD cover is unknown enough to used it a second time....

wierd tho, thouht there we´re publishing rights or trademarks or similar...

**The Flying Mouse** · 28 Feb 2007, 20:45

Supose it raises the point of who owns the copyright?

Did Meat buy the art off Whealan (and the copyright with it), or did he pay for the right to use the piece in his album booklet and on the single?

LucyK! · 28 Feb 2007, 20:49

I'd imagine the second one - after printing the pic in the album and using it to promote R&RD, Meat had no need for the copyright on it

mszee · 28 Feb 2007, 21:16

I'd say the copyright belongs to the artist...at least that's how it works in America...whoever uses the copyrighted material just pays royalties

**The Flying Mouse** · 28 Feb 2007, 21:43

From what I gather, this book was released in 1999, so it's DEFFINATLY post Bat II

mszee · 28 Feb 2007, 21:44

I guess they didn't buy exclusive rights...that artist must have one hell of a lawyer...

Bubbles · 28 Feb 2007, 22:25

and did you notice that "marion zimmer bradley" is actually written in the meat loaf font? i mean this definitely is THE font, look at the capital m and the a.....

**Monstro** · 28 Feb 2007, 22:27

It's a bit close to the original.

mszee · 28 Feb 2007, 22:30

I don't know...but is there such a thing as Meat Loaf font? I mean...does anybody know for sure that it's something copyrighted or even eligible for copyright?

**Monstro** · 28 Feb 2007, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

I don't know...but is there such a thing as Meat Loaf font? I mean...does anybody know for sure that it's something copyrighted or even eligible for copyright?

Apparently yes

LucyK! · 28 Feb 2007, 22:38

There absolutely is a Meat Loaf font, there's fonts that come close but there is "the one" that's Meat's logo, and without going into detail I'm sure some people here will remember him not being impressed with anyone using his copywritten logo...

Bubbles · 28 Feb 2007, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

I don't know...but is there such a thing as Meat Loaf font? I mean...does anybody know for sure that it's something copyrighted or even eligible for copyright?

now that youve said that i think i never saw this little c for copyrighted on any of the merchandise stuff......but i always assumed that it is owned by someone (i remeber the strange case of an argument about the ownership on a mere album title....but i'll shut up on that

)

mszee · 28 Feb 2007, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubbles89

now that youve said that i think i never saw this little c for copyrighted on any of the merchandise stuff......but i always assumed that it is owned by someone (i remeber the strange case of an argument about the ownership on a mere album title....but i'll shut up on that

)

No, mine was really a question...I don't know myself much about it...

**RadioMaster** · 28 Feb 2007, 23:16

Didnt Michael post a thread about the whole ML font thing a few days ago?
Or am I getting old?

duke knooby · 28 Feb 2007, 23:43

http://www.galleryone.com/whelan_prints.htm

appears the piece is called verge, and according to his own web site (shop section) was one of the first pieces he did. others pieces used in the bat booklet date from the early 80's so i imagine michael wheelan owns the copyright for all his pieces

*AndyK* · 28 Feb 2007, 23:52

If I remember correctly there isn't a Meat Loaf font as such. The "Meat Loaf" logo is made up of aspects of a small number of Gothica type fonts, and as such is copyright as a logo.

duke knooby · 28 Feb 2007, 23:54

i believe so andy, its made up of many different fonts

mszee · 28 Feb 2007, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

If I remember correctly there isn't a Meat Loaf font as such. The "Meat Loaf" logo is made up of aspects of a small number of Gothica type fonts, and as such is copyright as a logo.

So the logo is copyrighted...but not the font itself?

*AndyK* · 28 Feb 2007, 23:59

No there isn't a "font itself" ... the characters that make up the words "Meat Loaf" were drawn based on aspects of existing fonts, the characters that don't make up those words weren't. For example there isn't a "Z" in the mythical Meat Loaf Font which doesn't exist

mszee · 01 Mar 2007, 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

No there isn't a "font itself" ... the characters that make up the words "Meat Loaf" were drawn based on aspects of existing fonts, the characters that don't make up those words weren't. For example there isn't a "Z" in the mythical Meat Loaf Font which doesn't exist

1. WHY?
2. Did you have to rub it in???

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Mar 2007, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

There absolutely is a Meat Loaf font, there's fonts that come close but there is "the one" that's Meat's logo, and without going into detail I'm sure some people here will remember him not being impressed with anyone using his copywritten logo...

I remember it well, although Meat's problem was not with the fact it was his logo used.

Many trib acts either use, or have used the "Meat Loaf logo" without any problems.

Unfortunatly one trib artist used the logo, and on nowhere on the advertising material did it say that the act people were paying to see was a trib.

The trib in question was at that time doing a tour run by the same people who had just run Meat's summer tour, and although, the trib artist says, he pulled the company up about the fact the word trib wasn't mentioned, he was assured that everything was fine.

Got quite messy in the end and ended up featuring in a program on Sky 1

*AndyK* · 01 Mar 2007, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

1. WHY?

Who knows ... marketing people I guess

Quote:

2. Did you have to rub it in???

There isn't an n d y or K either

**Monstro** · 01 Mar 2007, 11:38

Gonna change my name to "Tame Foal" just to gloat lol

28 Feb 2007, 20:10	#1
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	This ring a bell? Came accross this before, thought i'd share.

28 Feb 2007, 20:12	#2
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Ohhh Mr Whelan...they've made a right mess of that pic haven't they!

28 Feb 2007, 20:29	#3
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	very interesting.... wonder why they used the same picture for two different releases... Only explanation that springs to mind is that the RNRD cover is unknown enough to used it a second time.... wierd tho, thouht there we´re publishing rights or trademarks or similar...

28 Feb 2007, 20:45	#4
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Supose it raises the point of who owns the copyright? Did Meat buy the art off Whealan (and the copyright with it), or did he pay for the right to use the piece in his album booklet and on the single?

28 Feb 2007, 20:49	#5
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	I'd imagine the second one - after printing the pic in the album and using it to promote R&RD, Meat had no need for the copyright on it

28 Feb 2007, 21:16	#6
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I'd say the copyright belongs to the artist...at least that's how it works in America...whoever uses the copyrighted material just pays royalties

28 Feb 2007, 21:43	#7
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	From what I gather, this book was released in 1999, so it's DEFFINATLY post Bat II

28 Feb 2007, 21:44	#8
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I guess they didn't buy exclusive rights...that artist must have one hell of a lawyer...

28 Feb 2007, 22:25	#9
Bubbles Senior Loafer Join Date: 05.05.2006 Location: good ol' Germany, rather westwards Posts: 169	and did you notice that "marion zimmer bradley" is actually written in the meat loaf font? i mean this definitely is THE font, look at the capital m and the a.....

28 Feb 2007, 22:27	#10
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	It's a bit close to the original.

28 Feb 2007, 22:30	#11
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I don't know...but is there such a thing as Meat Loaf font? I mean...does anybody know for sure that it's something copyrighted or even eligible for copyright?

28 Feb 2007, 22:38	#13
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	There absolutely is a Meat Loaf font, there's fonts that come close but there is "the one" that's Meat's logo, and without going into detail I'm sure some people here will remember him not being impressed with anyone using his copywritten logo...

28 Feb 2007, 23:16	#16
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Didnt Michael post a thread about the whole ML font thing a few days ago? Or am I getting old?

28 Feb 2007, 23:43	#17
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,911	http://www.galleryone.com/whelan_prints.htm appears the piece is called verge, and according to his own web site (shop section) was one of the first pieces he did. others pieces used in the bat booklet date from the early 80's so i imagine michael wheelan owns the copyright for all his pieces

28 Feb 2007, 23:52	#18
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	If I remember correctly there isn't a Meat Loaf font as such. The "Meat Loaf" logo is made up of aspects of a small number of Gothica type fonts, and as such is copyright as a logo.

28 Feb 2007, 23:54	#19
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,911	i believe so andy, its made up of many different fonts

28 Feb 2007, 23:59	#21
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	No there isn't a "font itself" ... the characters that make up the words "Meat Loaf" were drawn based on aspects of existing fonts, the characters that don't make up those words weren't. For example there isn't a "Z" in the mythical Meat Loaf Font which doesn't exist

01 Mar 2007, 11:38	#25
Monstro Promoted to Wario's spellchecker Join Date: 17.09.2005 Location: London Posts: 12,947	Gonna change my name to "Tame Foal" just to gloat lol