This ring a bell?
 

:twisted: Came accross this before, thought i'd share.

Ohhh Mr Whelan...they've made a right mess of that pic haven't they!

very interesting....
wonder why they used the same picture for two different releases...
Only explanation that springs to mind is that the RNRD cover is unknown enough to used it a second time....

wierd tho, thouht there we´re publishing rights or trademarks or similar...

:twisted: Supose it raises the point of who owns the copyright?

Did Meat buy the art off Whealan (and the copyright with it), or did he pay for the right to use the piece in his album booklet and on the single?

I'd imagine the second one - after printing the pic in the album and using it to promote R&RD, Meat had no need for the copyright on it

I'd say the copyright belongs to the artist...at least that's how it works in America...whoever uses the copyrighted material just pays royalties

:twisted: From what I gather, this book was released in 1999, so it's DEFFINATLY post Bat II

I guess they didn't buy exclusive rights...that artist must have one hell of a lawyer...

and did you notice that "marion zimmer bradley" is actually written in the meat loaf font? i mean this definitely is THE font, look at the capital m and the a.....

It's a bit close to the original.

I don't know...but is there such a thing as Meat Loaf font? I mean...does anybody know for sure that it's something copyrighted or even eligible for copyright?

Apparently yes

There absolutely is a Meat Loaf font, there's fonts that come close but there is "the one" that's Meat's logo, and without going into detail I'm sure some people here will remember him not being impressed with anyone using his copywritten logo...

now that youve said that i think i never saw this little c for copyrighted on any of the merchandise stuff......but i always assumed that it is owned by someone (i remeber the strange case of an argument about the ownership on a mere album title....but i'll shut up on that :lol: ;) )

No, mine was really a question...I don't know myself much about it...

Didnt Michael post a thread about the whole ML font thing a few days ago?
Or am I getting old? :confused:

http://www.galleryone.com/whelan_prints.htm

appears the piece is called verge, and according to his own web site (shop section) was one of the first pieces he did. others pieces used in the bat booklet date from the early 80's so i imagine michael wheelan owns the copyright for all his pieces

If I remember correctly there isn't a Meat Loaf font as such. The "Meat Loaf" logo is made up of aspects of a small number of Gothica type fonts, and as such is copyright as a logo.

i believe so andy, its made up of many different fonts

So the logo is copyrighted...but not the font itself?

No there isn't a "font itself" ... the characters that make up the words "Meat Loaf" were drawn based on aspects of existing fonts, the characters that don't make up those words weren't. For example there isn't a "Z" in the mythical Meat Loaf Font which doesn't exist :))

1. WHY?
2. Did you have to rub it in???

:twisted: I remember it well, although Meat's problem was not with the fact it was his logo used.

Many trib acts either use, or have used the "Meat Loaf logo" without any problems.


Unfortunatly one trib artist used the logo, and on nowhere on the advertising material did it say that the act people were paying to see was a trib.

The trib in question was at that time doing a tour run by the same people who had just run Meat's summer tour, and although, the trib artist says, he pulled the company up about the fact the word trib wasn't mentioned, he was assured that everything was fine.


Got quite messy in the end and ended up featuring in a program on Sky 1 :shock:

Who knows ... marketing people I guess :))

There isn't an n d y or K either :(

Gonna change my name to "Tame Foal" just to gloat lol