Should Meat record every Steinman song ever written? Good idea?

Ollie241189 · 06 Nov 2011, 23:52

Hi guys,

Well I was having a think (which is dangerous) and would anybody think it would be a good idea if Meat recorded every Jim Steinman song ever written?
I know, obviously, Meat has recorded a lot of Steinman's songs but what about the ones he hasn't recorded?

If they were all put on a CD would you buy it? Could it be the Meat/Steinman project that would be the reunion since the fall out and reconciliation over Bat 3? Could this idea be the conclusion to the Bat Out Of Hell thing that Meat has mentioned in interviews before?

What do you think?

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2011, 00:32

I would love that, but I really don't see Meat performing 'Total Eclipse Of The Heart', but than again I never saw him doing IACBTMN, so crazier things have happened.

There are some that I think he would sound great on such as "Making Love Out Of Nothing At All"or "Faster Than The Speed Of Night".

I imagine that there are demos out there somewhere with him performing some of these songs.

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 00:49

I think Total Eclipse of the Heart would have an amazing arrangement!!!

Wario · 07 Nov 2011, 02:16

sounds great, but youd need way more then one CD (maybe more then three!)

as for TEOMH, Patti being lead and Meat doing the "turn around"s wouldnt be bad at all.

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2011, 03:06

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Originally Posted by Wario

sounds great, but youd need way more then one CD (maybe more then three!)

as for TEOMH, Patti being lead and Meat doing the "turn around"s wouldnt be bad at all.

If it's on a Meat Loaf solo album it would make more sense to do the arrangement from DOTV, so that ML could get some real singing in and he's not relegated to background vocals.

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Mr. Happy · 07 Nov 2011, 03:26

I would still love to see Meat do:

-Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young
-We're Still the Children
-What Part of My Body Hurts the Most
-Braver Than We Are
-Making Love out of Nothing At All

The rest I'm indifferent towards :P Total Eclipse could be cool though if done like the Tanz arrangement that was linked above. It's more of a duet that way, and Patti would sound amazing on it O.O

Jim will never agree with it though, sadly.

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2011, 06:09

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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

I would still love to see Meat do:

-Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young
-We're Still the Children
-What Part of My Body Hurts the Most
-Braver Than We Are
-Making Love out of Nothing At All

The rest I'm indifferent towards :P Total Eclipse could be cool though if done like the Tanz arrangement that was linked above. It's more of a duet that way, and Patti would sound amazing on it O.O

Jim will never agree with it though, sadly.

I'm not sure what it is, but if Jim allows some of the horrible versions (Westlife, Kristen French) to be released I don't see why his most most successful collaborator doing a version such a big deal.

What I don't get is if Meat n Jim are still good friends (as ML claims) than I don't see why more of his material doesn't get recorded. I assume that it's still going back to the issues surrounding Bat 3.

nikox1 · 07 Nov 2011, 06:53

it wont happen sadly

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 08:03

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Originally Posted by nikox1

it wont happen sadly

Why not?

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 08:05

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I'm not sure what it is, but if Jim allows some of the horrible versions (Westlife, Kristen French) to be released I don't see why his most most successful collaborator doing a version such a big deal.

What I don't get is if Meat n Jim are still good friends (as ML claims) than I don't see why more of his material doesn't get recorded. I assume that it's still going back to the issues surrounding Bat 3.

It could be because of the bat 3 stuff or it could be because it takes Jimmy ages to write songs and arrangements.
If you read on Wikipedia on Jim's page it says that he has saaid he has written more songs and cant see why Meat cant sing them. So maybe it will happen!!!

Elijah's way · 07 Nov 2011, 08:18

The title to this thread is miss leading, I vote for it to be changed.

Mr. Happy · 07 Nov 2011, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

It could be because of the bat 3 stuff or it could be because it takes Jimmy ages to write songs and arrangements.
If you read on Wikipedia on Jim's page it says that he has saaid he has written more songs and cant see why Meat cant sing them. So maybe it will happen!!!

Thing is, songs like What Part of My Body and Still the Children have existed for around a decade now, and they still haven't really been touched outside of the Dream Engine performances in 2005 / 2006. I can understand why they weren't used for Bat 3, but that was five or so years ago now. The Dream Engine isn't doing anything with them, and I'll be very, very surprised if the arrangements aren't already done and recorded, collecting dust in some vault somewhere

Unless I'm mistaken, he hasn't really done anything at all since Tanz in the late 90s, despite the 'fact' that there's a Bat musical coming. I can't see why Jim is letting them rot when he's evidently not doing much with them. Apparently there's an official Dream Engine recording of What Part of My Body in existence somewhere. Can't see why Jim couldn't even just take the vocals off that, send the instrumental track to Meat and have him record his vocals on it. It could be done in an hour.

Meat has said that he wants to work with Jim again, but Jim doesn't won't to do an album right now. Maybe Jim is just unofficially retired these days and doesn't want anything else to do with the music industry?

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Elijah's way

The title to this thread is miss leading, I vote for it to be changed.

Ok then so how do you change the title?

**Monstro** · 07 Nov 2011, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Elijah's way

The title to this thread is miss leading, I vote for it to be changed.

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Ok then so how do you change the title?

Sorted

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Monstro

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Cheers mate!!! How did you do that?

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2011, 09:18

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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

Meat has said that he wants to work with Jim again, but Jim doesn't won't to do an album right now. Maybe Jim is just unofficially retired these days and doesn't want anything else to do with the music industry?

All that he needs to do is give him the songs. Jim has only written AND produced 2 full albums, so he's no stranger to letting other simply do his music.

I came across this cover of "Nowhere Fast" (SOF version) by this shitty Rock band recorded recently. Assuming that they didn't commit copyright infringement, Jim is obviously licencing his music on a lower scale.

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**Monstro** · 07 Nov 2011, 09:33

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Cheers mate!!! How did you do that?

Those who's name appear green above their avatar can twirl the magic wand alongside the whispered muttering of a long lost spell whilst giving a sacrifice to the webmaster that is R. (though we must never say his name 3 times out loud for fear the hat will appear)

Roughly translated I'm one of the mod team

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 09:35

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Originally Posted by Monstro

Those who's name appear green above their avatar can twirl the magic wand alongside the whispered muttering of a long lost spell whilst giving a sacrifice to the webmaster that is R. (though we must never say his name 3 times out loud for fear the hat will appear)

Roughly translated I'm one of the mod team

Ah cheers mate!!! Sorry, what's the mod team?

**Monstro** · 07 Nov 2011, 09:41

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

Ah cheers mate!!! Sorry, what's the mod team?

http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3252 3rd paragraph explains who we are and what we do mate

evil nickname · 07 Nov 2011, 10:21

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I came across this cover of "Nowhere Fast" (SOF version) by this shitty Rock band recorded recently. Assuming that they didn't commit copyright infringement, Jim is obviously licencing his music on a lower scale.

Well, as long as you pay the royalties, you're free to record any previously released song you want. No need to personally license it from the songwriter. Who may not even be the one who holds the copyright to the song, which could be owned by some publishing company.

evil nickname · 07 Nov 2011, 10:31

Also, to the original question: no.

I can't see Meat doing songs like Ravishing, Rebel Without a Clue, Holding Out for a Hero, Tonight is What it Means to be Young, Safe Sex or Faster Than the Speed of Night in a way that does those songs justice. Unless Jim can completely rearrange them to fit Meat, that is. Which I don't seem happening anytime soon.

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2011, 10:33

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Well, as long as you pay the royalties, you're free to record any previously released song you want. No need to personally license it from the songwriter. Who may not even be the one who holds the copyright to the song, which could be owned by some publishing company.

I thought that Jimmy was pretty anal about keeping rights to his songs after the whole BOOH thing where neither ML or JS were getting any royalties?. It was also a reason why Celine Dion didn't do 'Is Nothing Sacred'

He doesn't seem like a guy who would sell his publishing rights.

evil nickname · 07 Nov 2011, 12:46

Is Nothing Sacred wasn't released at the time, so Celine had to work with Jim to get the song. More info on that here.

And Jim sold (part) of his publishing to (I thought) Universal Music Publishing.

chairboys · 07 Nov 2011, 14:08

Record of all of them? NO.
Songs like Rebel Without A Clue and Ravishing are fabulous. But should stay there i.e as Bonnie Tyler songs.
IACBTMN was great as the original ( Pandoras Box) but were Celine's and Meat's versions on a par.
If Meat had sung it first, then followed by the other two, we may be saying the opposite.
I think what I am trying to say is that when I like a Steinman original I am not always keen on it being rehashed.
When BOOH2 was released (great album though it is) I recall being slightly miffed when scanning the tracklist because of the duplication of old stuff.
So, yes, record more of Jim's stuff, but new material please!!

Ollie241189 · 07 Nov 2011, 15:19

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Originally Posted by chairboys

Record of all of them? NO.
Songs like Rebel Without A Clue and Ravishing are fabulous. But should stay there i.e as Bonnie Tyler songs.
IACBTMN was great as the original ( Pandoras Box) but were Celine's and Meat's versions on a par.
If Meat had sung it first, then followed by the other two, we may be saying the opposite.
I think what I am trying to say is that when I like a Steinman original I am not always keen on it being rehashed.
When BOOH2 was released (great album though it is) I recall being slightly miffed when scanning the tracklist because of the duplication of old stuff.
So, yes, record more of Jim's stuff, but new material please!!

See I disagree. I like some of the re-recorded stuff. Like No Matter What, everyone heard the Boyzone version first but Meat's version was better. So it could be possible that they would be better

06 Nov 2011, 23:52	#1
Ollie241189 Guest Join Date: 27.10.2011 Posts: 408	Should Meat record every Steinman song ever written? Good idea? Hi guys, Well I was having a think (which is dangerous) and would anybody think it would be a good idea if Meat recorded every Jim Steinman song ever written? I know, obviously, Meat has recorded a lot of Steinman's songs but what about the ones he hasn't recorded? If they were all put on a CD would you buy it? Could it be the Meat/Steinman project that would be the reunion since the fall out and reconciliation over Bat 3? Could this idea be the conclusion to the Bat Out Of Hell thing that Meat has mentioned in interviews before? What do you think?

07 Nov 2011, 00:32	#2
Evil Ernie Super Loafer Join Date: 03.06.2011 Posts: 667	I would love that, but I really don't see Meat performing 'Total Eclipse Of The Heart', but than again I never saw him doing IACBTMN, so crazier things have happened. There are some that I think he would sound great on such as "Making Love Out Of Nothing At All"or "Faster Than The Speed Of Night". I imagine that there are demos out there somewhere with him performing some of these songs. Last edited by Evil Ernie; 07 Nov 2011 at 00:44.

07 Nov 2011, 00:49	#3
Ollie241189 Guest Join Date: 27.10.2011 Posts: 408	I think Total Eclipse of the Heart would have an amazing arrangement!!!

07 Nov 2011, 02:16	#4
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	sounds great, but youd need way more then one CD (maybe more then three!) as for TEOMH, Patti being lead and Meat doing the "turn around"s wouldnt be bad at all.

07 Nov 2011, 03:26	#6
Mr. Happy Guest Join Date: 13.02.2010 Location: Posts: 736	I would still love to see Meat do: -Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young -We're Still the Children -What Part of My Body Hurts the Most -Braver Than We Are -Making Love out of Nothing At All The rest I'm indifferent towards :P Total Eclipse could be cool though if done like the Tanz arrangement that was linked above. It's more of a duet that way, and Patti would sound amazing on it O.O Jim will never agree with it though, sadly.

07 Nov 2011, 06:53	#8
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	it wont happen sadly

07 Nov 2011, 08:18	#11
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	The title to this thread is miss leading, I vote for it to be changed.

07 Nov 2011, 10:31	#21
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Also, to the original question: no. I can't see Meat doing songs like Ravishing, Rebel Without a Clue, Holding Out for a Hero, Tonight is What it Means to be Young, Safe Sex or Faster Than the Speed of Night in a way that does those songs justice. Unless Jim can completely rearrange them to fit Meat, that is. Which I don't seem happening anytime soon.

07 Nov 2011, 12:46	#23
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Is Nothing Sacred wasn't released at the time, so Celine had to work with Jim to get the song. More info on that here. And Jim sold (part) of his publishing to (I thought) Universal Music Publishing.

07 Nov 2011, 14:08	#24
chairboys Mega Loafer Join Date: 17.09.2011 Posts: 1,811	Record of all of them? NO. Songs like Rebel Without A Clue and Ravishing are fabulous. But should stay there i.e as Bonnie Tyler songs. IACBTMN was great as the original ( Pandoras Box) but were Celine's and Meat's versions on a par. If Meat had sung it first, then followed by the other two, we may be saying the opposite. I think what I am trying to say is that when I like a Steinman original I am not always keen on it being rehashed. When BOOH2 was released (great album though it is) I recall being slightly miffed when scanning the tracklist because of the duplication of old stuff. So, yes, record more of Jim's stuff, but new material please!!