Bat out of Hell IV: The Final at Bat - Page 4

batoutofhell · 04 Jun 2010, 16:56

To stack more wood on the fire, Meat also said at some point he'd never record "Bad for Good" because it was a copy of "Bat." Didn't stop him (or whoever was in control, because I like to give Meat the benefit of the doubt) from recording it for Bat 3. Our point, I guess, is that if there's nothing else Jim has on the pile ready to record, then much like Bat 3, sometimes you just gotta make do with the left-overs.

And seriously, on another topic, what's with all the "Stark Raving Love" hate? I think it's an awesome track in spite of Jim's vocals. Wait a minute -- theorist's cap coming on: song Meat swore he'd never do... his guitarist came up with a good arrangement... anyone who's listened to the song knows how big the guitar is toward the end... but then where would Patti come in? Ah, maybe I'm just connecting the wrong dots.

renegadeangel · 04 Jun 2010, 18:33

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Well you said he would "Never" do them and I proved you wrong their.

Mabey he took them off the set cause he wanted to shorten the show in North America. It was his weakest market at the time.

he instead performed All Revved up, Rock n roll mercenaries, and HCW cause unlike in europe, americans really only essentially know the BOOH tracks and stuff from BFG would be too obscure. He put RRM in so he coudl promote his single over there.

Point is he did DIMP.

But he never did SRL nor did he officially record DIMP for any kind of release. My point is that Steinman probably told Meat there would be some songs from BFG on the new album and Meat wanted to get a feel for what people liked. He did do OOTFP in North America and LBAGG and they made BAT 2. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to hear an official release of Meat doing every Steinman song but thats not going to happen. unfortunately.

batoutofhell · 04 Jun 2010, 22:18

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he also have both those songs in the European set as well? I mean, if your basis for this "Meat didn't do those songs because they didn't test highly" theory is that he stuck to those two in America, then that's not proving much.

Evil One · 04 Jun 2010, 22:51

No it isn't. Meat generally drops songs when he does the US. For the Bat 3 tour I think he only did Break It and Pigs on the American leg. I guess it's either because most Americans only know Bat 1 and AFL, or because there is a smaller crowd and a shorter show will cost less to put on.

Pudding · 05 Jun 2010, 00:19

It seems the goalposts from 'NEVER' are shifting

batoutofhell · 10 Jun 2010, 22:20

Alright, so in summary, the new material that actually exists that could go on a proposed Bat 4:

WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST?
WE'RE STILL THE CHILDREN WE ONCE WERE
SPEAKING IN TONGUES
NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE
GOD HAS LEFT THE BUILDING (instrumental)
BRAVER THAN WE ARE
And maybe that speech they did at the Dream Engine concerts (it's called "Dear Mama" on Evil Nickname's website)

That's seven new tracks. Certainly better numbers-wise than the four Bat 2 had. But that's only half an album in today's industry. At this point, if Jim can't write newer "new" stuff, we start hitting the desperation bins, songs like:

STARK RAVING LOVE
DANCE IN MY PANTS
TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART
MAKING LOVE (OUT OF NOTHING AT ALL)
TONIGHT IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE YOUNG
MORE
SAFE SEX

I include "Total Eclipse" and "Making Love," two of Jim's biggest hits without Meat, because Meat claims they were originally written for him, and may or may not have performed "Making Love" live at some point (I saw the rumor somewhere on this forum when I did a search on the song title, but I can't remember who said he did it). I also don't particularly think "Safe Sex" suits Meat, but someone mentioned it in this thread and if it can be done, more power to him. As for "More," I kind of heard "The Monster is Loose" recently and it suddenly reminded me of "More" for some reason. I figured if Meat wanted to open with a metal track somewhere, why not one Jim (co-)wrote?

7 + 7, for those who failed maths, is 14, and that brings us a finished album. If someone can put this into an actual track list, then maybe that'll help get the ball rolling.

batoutofhell · 10 Jun 2010, 22:56

And this is saying nothing of "Faster Than the Speed of Night" and three other songs of Jim's Bonnie did that Meat could do with very little re-write.

Pudding · 10 Jun 2010, 23:03

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Originally Posted by batoutofhell

And this is saying nothing of "Faster Than the Speed of Night" and three other songs of Jim's Bonnie did that Meat could do with very little re-write.

WTF?

Meat shouldn't have touched IACBTMN but to cover Bonnie Tyler, that's just nucking futs

batoutofhell · 11 Jun 2010, 05:35

Well, I don't see Jim writing any more material to cover the gap. Believe it or not, a lot of Bonnie's stuff can easily be adapted to Meat. "Rebel Without a Clue" would be perfect, for example, if you just changed up the lyrics a tiny bit.

Pudding · 11 Jun 2010, 10:44

I'd eat a bowl of dog shit if Meat ever covered a Bonnie Tyler song for another album. But you're right, I don't think Jim has got a lot of new material but that doesn't mean Meat should sing whatever else Steinman songs he hasn't just to make an album.

nikox1 · 11 Jun 2010, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Pudding

How can you be so absolutely certain Meat would never do them? I thought Meat would never do IACBTMN and he did, I wished he hadn't, but there you go.

well i hope he never does record them? they are proper shite!!!!

nikox1 · 11 Jun 2010, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I'd eat a bowl of dog shit if Meat ever covered a Bonnie Tyler song for another album. But you're right, I don't think Jim has got a lot of new material but that doesn't mean Meat should sing whatever else Steinman songs he hasn't just to make an album.

i agree, unless Jim writes something new? i wouldnt go near them.

Evil One · 11 Jun 2010, 13:58

I wouldn't mind Meat doing a less 80's sounding version of Faster Than The Speed Of Night, but I wouldn't touch the rest.

PanicLord · 11 Jun 2010, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I'd eat a bowl of dog shit if Meat ever covered a Bonnie Tyler song for another album.

Now there's a bet I'd take. Let's start another fan campaign to get Meat to do Holding Out For A Hero

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Originally Posted by Pudding

But you're right, I don't think Jim has got a lot of new material but that doesn't mean Meat should sing whatever else Steinman songs he hasn't just to make an album.

Agreed. Would make an interesting bonus disc in a 2cd set or something, but the main album shouldn't be just a collection of off the shelf covers picked to fill 74 mins or whatever it is.

batoutofhell · 11 Jun 2010, 23:00

I'd love it to be all new Steinman material, but that requires it to actually exist. The "new" stuff on my list is already several years old. When you have to fill an album, sometimes you've got to go the desperation route, and with Steinman that quickly turns into "What songs has he not sung yet that can be brushed off quickly and turned into Meat material?" The Bonnie stuff I mentioned, aside from "Holding Out for a Hero" which would be bloody ridiculous for Meat to sing since he's a guy, is actually generic enough to fit, and where it needs fixes, the fixes are small (again, I point to "Rebel Without a Clue").

Evil One · 11 Jun 2010, 23:04

Which is why this album will never happen. I've said it before but I think it is worth repeating: it's much more likely that we'll see Meat put vocals to a couple of TDE backing tracks for a greatest hits compilation. Probably What Part Of My Body Hurts The Most and something else, maybe Still The Children.

batoutofhell · 11 Jun 2010, 23:13

Well, with everything suggested so far, we have roughly 18 tracks. In the old days, that would have been enough for two albums. Now, it's an exceedingly long album at best. I recently bought the 2010 cast recording of "Dance of the Vampires" in Vienna, and the credits indicate that Jim sort of had an "I approve or I don't" position while Rinkoff did the actual work. Maybe that's the way to easily accomplish something like this?

Evil One · 11 Jun 2010, 23:38

But Meat and Rinkoff don't get on.

Pudding · 12 Jun 2010, 02:05

Anyway, back on planet Earth, I think HCTB is Meats last album and it looks like Jim has no interest to go back into the studio. So what we've been given is our lot.

GDW · 12 Jun 2010, 04:28

No it's not. We have still got " Meat Loaf sings The Village People" album, (produced by Jim Steinman) to look forward to. With classics like YMCA, In The Navy and Macho Man imagine the sales. A whole new market to capture. Platinum in no time. Follow up album Meat Loaf with the cast of Glee (Produced by Jim Steinman).

renegadeangel · 13 Jun 2010, 02:32

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Anyway, back on planet Earth, I think HCTB is Meats last album and it looks like Jim has no interest to go back into the studio. So what we've been given is our lot.

I don't think it will be his last. Everyone is listing songs that could go on an album. Whos to say that Jim hasn't written an album just for Meat? He did do BFG and then DEADRINGER. That's pretty amazing that he could turn out that many songs so fast.
I'm going to stay with what I think would make an album if one should ever happen...
PARADISE LOST
RENEGADE ANGEL
GOD HAS LEFT THE BUILDING
WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST
NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE
ONLY WHEN I FEEL
SPEAKING IN TONGUES
WE'RE STILL THE CHILDREN
This is a good place to start

melon · 13 Jun 2010, 08:43

I don't necessarily think this will be the last album from Meat, but I really do not ever see there being a Bat 4.

nikox1 · 13 Jun 2010, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Anyway, back on planet Earth, I think HCTB is Meats last album and it looks like Jim has no interest to go back into the studio. So what we've been given is our lot.

Meats doing 2 more albums

Evil One · 13 Jun 2010, 14:36

Says who?

Dave · 13 Jun 2010, 18:47

My thought is, why would an album of cast off and hand-me-down songs be anything that would interest me? It is not important enough for there to be another Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman album to have to scrape the bottom of the pot to get enough material. As a Meat Loaf fan, I would far prefer Mr. Loaf to continue to seek out new and exciting material than to record a song just because of who wrote it.

12 Jun 2010, 04:28	#95
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	No it's not. We have still got " Meat Loaf sings The Village People" album, (produced by Jim Steinman) to look forward to. With classics like YMCA, In The Navy and Macho Man imagine the sales. A whole new market to capture. Platinum in no time. Follow up album Meat Loaf with the cast of Glee (Produced by Jim Steinman). Last edited by GDW; 12 Jun 2010 at 04:37.

04 Jun 2010, 16:56	#76
batoutofhell Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.05.2010 Location: In a house. Obviously. Posts: 38	To stack more wood on the fire, Meat also said at some point he'd never record "Bad for Good" because it was a copy of "Bat." Didn't stop him (or whoever was in control, because I like to give Meat the benefit of the doubt) from recording it for Bat 3. Our point, I guess, is that if there's nothing else Jim has on the pile ready to record, then much like Bat 3, sometimes you just gotta make do with the left-overs. And seriously, on another topic, what's with all the "Stark Raving Love" hate? I think it's an awesome track in spite of Jim's vocals. Wait a minute -- theorist's cap coming on: song Meat swore he'd never do... his guitarist came up with a good arrangement... anyone who's listened to the song knows how big the guitar is toward the end... but then where would Patti come in? Ah, maybe I'm just connecting the wrong dots.

04 Jun 2010, 22:18	#78
batoutofhell Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.05.2010 Location: In a house. Obviously. Posts: 38	Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he also have both those songs in the European set as well? I mean, if your basis for this "Meat didn't do those songs because they didn't test highly" theory is that he stuck to those two in America, then that's not proving much.

04 Jun 2010, 22:51	#79
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	No it isn't. Meat generally drops songs when he does the US. For the Bat 3 tour I think he only did Break It and Pigs on the American leg. I guess it's either because most Americans only know Bat 1 and AFL, or because there is a smaller crowd and a shorter show will cost less to put on.

05 Jun 2010, 00:19	#80
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	It seems the goalposts from 'NEVER' are shifting

10 Jun 2010, 22:20	#81
batoutofhell Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.05.2010 Location: In a house. Obviously. Posts: 38	Alright, so in summary, the new material that actually exists that could go on a proposed Bat 4: WHAT PART OF MY BODY HURTS THE MOST? WE'RE STILL THE CHILDREN WE ONCE WERE SPEAKING IN TONGUES NOT ALLOWED TO LOVE GOD HAS LEFT THE BUILDING (instrumental) BRAVER THAN WE ARE And maybe that speech they did at the Dream Engine concerts (it's called "Dear Mama" on Evil Nickname's website) That's seven new tracks. Certainly better numbers-wise than the four Bat 2 had. But that's only half an album in today's industry. At this point, if Jim can't write newer "new" stuff, we start hitting the desperation bins, songs like: STARK RAVING LOVE DANCE IN MY PANTS TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART MAKING LOVE (OUT OF NOTHING AT ALL) TONIGHT IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE YOUNG MORE SAFE SEX I include "Total Eclipse" and "Making Love," two of Jim's biggest hits without Meat, because Meat claims they were originally written for him, and may or may not have performed "Making Love" live at some point (I saw the rumor somewhere on this forum when I did a search on the song title, but I can't remember who said he did it). I also don't particularly think "Safe Sex" suits Meat, but someone mentioned it in this thread and if it can be done, more power to him. As for "More," I kind of heard "The Monster is Loose" recently and it suddenly reminded me of "More" for some reason. I figured if Meat wanted to open with a metal track somewhere, why not one Jim (co-)wrote? 7 + 7, for those who failed maths, is 14, and that brings us a finished album. If someone can put this into an actual track list, then maybe that'll help get the ball rolling.

10 Jun 2010, 22:56	#82
batoutofhell Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.05.2010 Location: In a house. Obviously. Posts: 38	And this is saying nothing of "Faster Than the Speed of Night" and three other songs of Jim's Bonnie did that Meat could do with very little re-write.

11 Jun 2010, 05:35	#84
batoutofhell Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.05.2010 Location: In a house. Obviously. Posts: 38	Well, I don't see Jim writing any more material to cover the gap. Believe it or not, a lot of Bonnie's stuff can easily be adapted to Meat. "Rebel Without a Clue" would be perfect, for example, if you just changed up the lyrics a tiny bit.

11 Jun 2010, 10:44	#85
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I'd eat a bowl of dog shit if Meat ever covered a Bonnie Tyler song for another album. But you're right, I don't think Jim has got a lot of new material but that doesn't mean Meat should sing whatever else Steinman songs he hasn't just to make an album.

11 Jun 2010, 13:58	#88
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	I wouldn't mind Meat doing a less 80's sounding version of Faster Than The Speed Of Night, but I wouldn't touch the rest.

11 Jun 2010, 23:00	#90
batoutofhell Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.05.2010 Location: In a house. Obviously. Posts: 38	I'd love it to be all new Steinman material, but that requires it to actually exist. The "new" stuff on my list is already several years old. When you have to fill an album, sometimes you've got to go the desperation route, and with Steinman that quickly turns into "What songs has he not sung yet that can be brushed off quickly and turned into Meat material?" The Bonnie stuff I mentioned, aside from "Holding Out for a Hero" which would be bloody ridiculous for Meat to sing since he's a guy, is actually generic enough to fit, and where it needs fixes, the fixes are small (again, I point to "Rebel Without a Clue").

11 Jun 2010, 23:04	#91
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	Which is why this album will never happen. I've said it before but I think it is worth repeating: it's much more likely that we'll see Meat put vocals to a couple of TDE backing tracks for a greatest hits compilation. Probably What Part Of My Body Hurts The Most and something else, maybe Still The Children.

11 Jun 2010, 23:13	#92
batoutofhell Junior Loafer Join Date: 22.05.2010 Location: In a house. Obviously. Posts: 38	Well, with everything suggested so far, we have roughly 18 tracks. In the old days, that would have been enough for two albums. Now, it's an exceedingly long album at best. I recently bought the 2010 cast recording of "Dance of the Vampires" in Vienna, and the credits indicate that Jim sort of had an "I approve or I don't" position while Rinkoff did the actual work. Maybe that's the way to easily accomplish something like this?

11 Jun 2010, 23:38	#93
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	But Meat and Rinkoff don't get on.

12 Jun 2010, 02:05	#94
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Anyway, back on planet Earth, I think HCTB is Meats last album and it looks like Jim has no interest to go back into the studio. So what we've been given is our lot.

13 Jun 2010, 08:43	#97
melon Long Distance Loafer Join Date: 17.07.2007 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 4,586	I don't necessarily think this will be the last album from Meat, but I really do not ever see there being a Bat 4.

13 Jun 2010, 14:36	#99
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	Says who?

13 Jun 2010, 18:47	#100
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	My thought is, why would an album of cast off and hand-me-down songs be anything that would interest me? It is not important enough for there to be another Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman album to have to scrape the bottom of the pot to get enough material. As a Meat Loaf fan, I would far prefer Mr. Loaf to continue to seek out new and exciting material than to record a song just because of who wrote it.