Bat out of Hell IV: The Final at Bat

Mr. Happy · 17 May 2010, 10:26

How awesome does that look on paper (pixels)?

No, I don't think it will ever happen, sadly, but we can all dream. However, let's say that, in theory, some time in the future Meat and Steinman get together one last time to put together another album. No, it probably wouldn't be called Bat IV, but for the purpose of this thread let's leave it at that. So, my question is - what would your ideal track list be? What songs would you love to hear Meat sing that probably won't ever happen?

-Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young (from Streets of Fire)
-Stark Raving Love (From Bad for Good)
-Safe Sex (From Original Sin)
-What Part of My Body Hurts the Most (From the unreleased Dream Engine album) Heard a demo of this song on YouTube and thought it sounded interesting, reminded me of I'd Do Anything For Love for some reason.

Kev · 17 May 2010, 11:30

This sounds like the start of 'if there was a bat 3' again! We've had this discussion about a million times with regards to tracks! :P

TheDoode · 17 May 2010, 11:44

Wouldn't it be cool if all that appeared on the cover, apart from the artwork, was:

"BAT OUT OF HELL:________(fill in title here)
MEAT LOAF & JIM STEINMAN."

Using Bat as the marketing name this time.
Then everyone could go off and live happily ever after

nikox1 · 17 May 2010, 14:48

it will happen you know?

Evil One · 17 May 2010, 15:06

Safe Sex is a woman's song. Meat hates Stark Raving Love. If he thought highly of any of Steinman's other songs then they would have appeared on Bat 3 and I don't think Jim has enough new material to fill up a whole album. Probably the best we can hope for is a couple of songs for a greatest hits compilation.

TheDoode · 17 May 2010, 15:25

...unless Jim has a bunch of tracks he's never recorded and released before. Which is more than possible. Or has - gasp - written some new ones! =O

Evil One · 17 May 2010, 15:42

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

...unless Jim has a bunch of tracks he's never recorded and released before.

In which case it's most likely they would have been given to The Dream Engine. Also, can you honestly imagine Meat singing the likes of Catwoman's Song?

**allrevvedup** · 17 May 2010, 16:06

I would love to think there will be new material with an on form Sir Loaf and Mr Steinman (old argument about to get started I'm sure) but their health and focusing on other projects would lead me to believe neither will do it and that more than likely it'd take another greatest hits collection with a couple of new songs.

Of the songs left I'm not sure there's any Steinman song that Meat would want to sing.

Stark raving love is a terrible song, so much so that, in my opinion, Steinman gave up on writing lyrics and just stuck in Lost Boys and Golden Girls. So I can't see Meat even wanting to be within 100 miles of that song.

Anything that remains from Pandora's box should just be left as it is. Safe Sex is a song for a female perspective and that's basically about it from that album.

The Batman musical songs again have gone as far as they can go and while in some form What part of my body hurts the most would've been a great song for Meat around the time of Bat II or maybe the Very Best of, now I think it should be left alone.

As Bat III has shown it shouldn't be recycled songs with a Meat and Jim partnership, even though it worked on Bat II, they've gone to the well and it's basically dry on that score. If they were to do something it'd need to be completely new and I'm not sure either has the time to put it all together.

Sarge · 17 May 2010, 16:20

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

I'm not sure either has the time to put it all together.

Why do they necessarily have to work on a larger project? If they recorded just one good song together I'd be happy. I can imagine it being the theme music of a popular TV series or movie.

**allrevvedup** · 17 May 2010, 16:26

one new song would be good but even then, has anything that Jim Steinman has ever done been considered to be quick?

it just tends to be the case that if it's Meat and Jim working together just one song out of the blue (and not on a compilation or new album) wouldn't be something a record company would want to get behind and as much as Meat going it alone has been discussed, every artist needs some form of distribution and backing from a record company to get a product out there.

As much as people complain about Mercury; they have pushed HCTB, whether they've pushed it hard and far enough is another matter.

Evil One · 17 May 2010, 16:33

On the subject of speed, it's possible that there are a whole bunch of unused backing tracks left over from TDE that could easily have Meat's vocals slapped on them. The main problem with that is whether Steve Rinkoff has any ownership to them as I believe he and Meat aren't the best of friends.

On the subject of Steinman tunes that could be used I offer:

What Part Of My Body Hurts The Most and a reworded Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young (changing the young bit obviously)

**allrevvedup** · 17 May 2010, 16:49

but in all honesty would you have meat's vocals 'slapped' on a track just for the sake of saying it's a Meat/Jim collaboration?

I'd rather have something they both care about and put substantial effort into rather then just releasing left overs. At this stage of their lives I wouldn't bank on it happening.

Evil One · 17 May 2010, 17:08

Of course not. But if it's a choice between a bit of 'vocal slapping' and nothing at all then something's got to be better than nothing?

**allrevvedup** · 17 May 2010, 17:31

well the nothing at all choice has them leaving a legacy behind of great work in Bat I and II.

If they are going to do something for the hell of it (no pun intended) they may as well just take themselves on tour like the Police and do it for a bucketful of money.

I understand where you're coming from, my fear of it is that they just crap all over everything they worked hard to build when neither are in a position that they need to do it.

Smithie · 17 May 2010, 17:32

"Braver Than We Are" by Meat & Patti

CarylB · 17 May 2010, 17:50

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

well the nothing at all choice has them leaving a legacy behind of great work in Bat I and II.

Yes, and that's where legacies should be imo.

Meat's said no more Bats .. he's moved on, and I love what he's doing now. Imo the well isn't just dry, it's been capped. I have no desire to see them try and recapture something which effectively drew to a close 15 years ago, but would love to see more from Meat as he's delivering now.

Caryl

TheDoode · 17 May 2010, 18:04

I would love to see both, at some point. It would be incredibly cool if Meat made a further 2 HCTB albums - evolving the story, or even something completely new.

Jim and Meat - it would serve as nice grace note to both of their careers if they could work together on one all new album, take their time, and get it just right.

Wario · 17 May 2010, 18:04

One thing's for sure: Stark Ravving Love is more a BOOH song then 95% of Bat 3...

**allrevvedup** · 17 May 2010, 18:06

i'll eat 4 big macs in one sitting (as i'm a vegetarian i wouldn't want to do it) if Meat records Stark Raving Love for any album.

TheDoode · 17 May 2010, 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

i'll eat 4 big macs in one sitting (as i'm a vegetarian i wouldn't want to do it) if Meat records Stark Raving Love for any album.

Ha, since McDonalds don't actually use real beef, I think you'll be fine

Evil One · 17 May 2010, 18:25

I'll eat 4 vegetarians in one sitting if Meat does Stark Raving Love.

**allrevvedup** · 17 May 2010, 18:40

i think i'll be safe on both counts

daveake · 17 May 2010, 18:43

I'll boil Evil One's testicles in his boiler if Meat does Stark Raving Love

Re Bat III, DC managed to shoot the Bat legacy in the foot-acy, so maybe Meat would want to leave the series on a high rather than a low. That said, I really can't see that Jim has enough material for a full album, nor the time+health to be fully on board with the production thereof. So, for me, a track or two in a Bat Musical album would be the best we can hope for.

As for HCTB5+, can't see that happening now that HCTB seems to be disappearing off the radar.

Dave

Pudding · 18 May 2010, 00:27

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Originally Posted by daveake

I really can't see that Jim has enough material for a full album, nor the time+health to be fully on board with the production thereof.

I believe Jim has enough material. Plus Meat hasn't covered Total Eclipse or Making Love yet

But yeah, Jims health and his 'can't be arsed anymore' attitude would problably put the kibosh on a Bat4.

nikox1 · 18 May 2010, 00:35

its amazing to see that people would still accept the idea of a 4th Bat?

oooooh!! if only? well a person can hope i guess

17 May 2010, 10:26	#1
Mr. Happy Guest Join Date: 13.02.2010 Location: Posts: 736	Bat out of Hell IV: The Final at Bat How awesome does that look on paper (pixels)? No, I don't think it will ever happen, sadly, but we can all dream. However, let's say that, in theory, some time in the future Meat and Steinman get together one last time to put together another album. No, it probably wouldn't be called Bat IV, but for the purpose of this thread let's leave it at that. So, my question is - what would your ideal track list be? What songs would you love to hear Meat sing that probably won't ever happen? -Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young (from Streets of Fire) -Stark Raving Love (From Bad for Good) -Safe Sex (From Original Sin) -What Part of My Body Hurts the Most (From the unreleased Dream Engine album) Heard a demo of this song on YouTube and thought it sounded interesting, reminded me of I'd Do Anything For Love for some reason.

17 May 2010, 11:30	#2
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	This sounds like the start of 'if there was a bat 3' again! We've had this discussion about a million times with regards to tracks! :P

17 May 2010, 11:44	#3
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	Wouldn't it be cool if all that appeared on the cover, apart from the artwork, was: "BAT OUT OF HELL:________(fill in title here) MEAT LOAF & JIM STEINMAN." Using Bat as the marketing name this time. Then everyone could go off and live happily ever after

17 May 2010, 14:48	#4
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	it will happen you know?

17 May 2010, 15:06	#5
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	Safe Sex is a woman's song. Meat hates Stark Raving Love. If he thought highly of any of Steinman's other songs then they would have appeared on Bat 3 and I don't think Jim has enough new material to fill up a whole album. Probably the best we can hope for is a couple of songs for a greatest hits compilation.

17 May 2010, 15:25	#6
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	...unless Jim has a bunch of tracks he's never recorded and released before. Which is more than possible. Or has - gasp - written some new ones! =O

17 May 2010, 16:06	#8
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	I would love to think there will be new material with an on form Sir Loaf and Mr Steinman (old argument about to get started I'm sure) but their health and focusing on other projects would lead me to believe neither will do it and that more than likely it'd take another greatest hits collection with a couple of new songs. Of the songs left I'm not sure there's any Steinman song that Meat would want to sing. Stark raving love is a terrible song, so much so that, in my opinion, Steinman gave up on writing lyrics and just stuck in Lost Boys and Golden Girls. So I can't see Meat even wanting to be within 100 miles of that song. Anything that remains from Pandora's box should just be left as it is. Safe Sex is a song for a female perspective and that's basically about it from that album. The Batman musical songs again have gone as far as they can go and while in some form What part of my body hurts the most would've been a great song for Meat around the time of Bat II or maybe the Very Best of, now I think it should be left alone. As Bat III has shown it shouldn't be recycled songs with a Meat and Jim partnership, even though it worked on Bat II, they've gone to the well and it's basically dry on that score. If they were to do something it'd need to be completely new and I'm not sure either has the time to put it all together.

17 May 2010, 16:26	#10
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	one new song would be good but even then, has anything that Jim Steinman has ever done been considered to be quick? it just tends to be the case that if it's Meat and Jim working together just one song out of the blue (and not on a compilation or new album) wouldn't be something a record company would want to get behind and as much as Meat going it alone has been discussed, every artist needs some form of distribution and backing from a record company to get a product out there. As much as people complain about Mercury; they have pushed HCTB, whether they've pushed it hard and far enough is another matter.

17 May 2010, 16:33	#11
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	On the subject of speed, it's possible that there are a whole bunch of unused backing tracks left over from TDE that could easily have Meat's vocals slapped on them. The main problem with that is whether Steve Rinkoff has any ownership to them as I believe he and Meat aren't the best of friends. On the subject of Steinman tunes that could be used I offer: What Part Of My Body Hurts The Most and a reworded Tonight Is What It Means To Be Young (changing the young bit obviously)

17 May 2010, 16:49	#12
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	but in all honesty would you have meat's vocals 'slapped' on a track just for the sake of saying it's a Meat/Jim collaboration? I'd rather have something they both care about and put substantial effort into rather then just releasing left overs. At this stage of their lives I wouldn't bank on it happening.

17 May 2010, 17:08	#13
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	Of course not. But if it's a choice between a bit of 'vocal slapping' and nothing at all then something's got to be better than nothing?

17 May 2010, 17:31	#14
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	well the nothing at all choice has them leaving a legacy behind of great work in Bat I and II. If they are going to do something for the hell of it (no pun intended) they may as well just take themselves on tour like the Police and do it for a bucketful of money. I understand where you're coming from, my fear of it is that they just crap all over everything they worked hard to build when neither are in a position that they need to do it.

17 May 2010, 17:32	#15
Smithie Super Loafer Join Date: 11.08.2009 Posts: 756	"Braver Than We Are" by Meat & Patti

17 May 2010, 18:04	#17
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	I would love to see both, at some point. It would be incredibly cool if Meat made a further 2 HCTB albums - evolving the story, or even something completely new. Jim and Meat - it would serve as nice grace note to both of their careers if they could work together on one all new album, take their time, and get it just right.

17 May 2010, 18:04	#18
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	One thing's for sure: Stark Ravving Love is more a BOOH song then 95% of Bat 3...

17 May 2010, 18:06	#19
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	i'll eat 4 big macs in one sitting (as i'm a vegetarian i wouldn't want to do it) if Meat records Stark Raving Love for any album.

17 May 2010, 18:25	#21
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	I'll eat 4 vegetarians in one sitting if Meat does Stark Raving Love.

17 May 2010, 18:40	#22
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	i think i'll be safe on both counts

17 May 2010, 18:43	#23
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	I'll boil Evil One's testicles in his boiler if Meat does Stark Raving Love Re Bat III, DC managed to shoot the Bat legacy in the foot-acy, so maybe Meat would want to leave the series on a high rather than a low. That said, I really can't see that Jim has enough material for a full album, nor the time+health to be fully on board with the production thereof. So, for me, a track or two in a Bat Musical album would be the best we can hope for. As for HCTB5+, can't see that happening now that HCTB seems to be disappearing off the radar. Dave

18 May 2010, 00:35	#25
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	its amazing to see that people would still accept the idea of a 4th Bat? oooooh!! if only? well a person can hope i guess