Use of language

The Archangel Gabriel · 03 Apr 2004, 22:15

I Gabriel am probably in a minority here, but i dislike the use of bad language in posts on the forum, and simply substituting the middle few letters with******* doesn't make it any better, it's still swearing, and not necessary ......i personally find no enjoyment in reading endless posts full of expletives!!

Think before you post

Gabriel

Chris · 03 Apr 2004, 22:17

I'm with the angel on this one.

black dog · 03 Apr 2004, 23:28

CHSIB

**The Flying Mouse** · 04 Apr 2004, 04:11

How about a poll?

RSG · 04 Apr 2004, 05:24

of course, a poll would be a great idea.
i know exactly what Gabriel means but I
feel it is a great forum the way it is. there
is no tollerant for flaming and certain bad
words, but I feel personally its a great
site full of wise moderators who know when
something should be deleted. i feel the use
words we already use is rather small meaning
my point?

if i were to call one a bad name, then yes, that is wrong, and shouldn't be said on the forum. but if its a joke with such a minor word, i don't think it should matter much. so if there were a poll i would be on the side where, the forum is great as it is. but if there was a message where it was constantly swearing then yes, that is a rather big issue. an odd word, shouldn't hurt. but thats just me :) no hard feels Gabriel :P

its rock n roll after all.

DIZZY DRUMMER · 04 Apr 2004, 10:09

I agree that swearing for the sake of swearing should not be tolerated, especially if it is aimed at any one/group of individuals.

I do not use foul language in my normal conversation, but have been known to let slip the odd thing. I must admit that I have used a word in my Blog, but it was in context to my anger at a situation I found myself in and definately not aimed at any individual.

As RSG wote:

Quote:

I feel personally its a great
site full of wise moderators who know when
something should be deleted. i feel the use
words we already use is rather small meaning
my point?

If the mods thought that there was a problem - then they would soon sort it out (like they have in the past)

I also think it depends on the actual swear word/phrase it's self - some are just foul and I would never dream of using them - whereas others are (to me) an expression that highlights a point and no offensive. I would give examples, but won't out of principle. I'm sure people know which words are which.

Yes - why not have a poll, see what others think

**The Flying Mouse** · 04 Apr 2004, 15:49

I've set a poll up to see what people's opinions are on this.

The Archangel Gabriel · 04 Apr 2004, 19:10

Thankyou for doing the poll o wise and revered flying one of rodent persuasion

...i'll translate that, thankyou Flying Mouse, appreciated.

...but i still thinkest i am in a minority......

Yours faithfully
Gabriel

KebLou · 04 Apr 2004, 19:16

I don't think it matters that your in the minority, I don't really mind the swearing I hear it everyday but I try not to swear as I know it causes offence to some pleople.

LostSoul · 05 Apr 2004, 05:45

Some 'well-turned phrases' without any swearing can be much more offensive than the swearing itself.

Patricia

Pudding · 05 Apr 2004, 13:52

As daft as it sounds all a swear word is a word. It's the person who reads it or hears it who interprets it as a bad word. Is ~~~~~~ a swear word?, what about sod? or damn or balls or even Jesus! They can all be used in the exact same way as S***, F***, T***, A*** or C*** but not be classed as swear words.

If somebody decides to use a word that is in the Oxford English Dictionary to emphasise a sentence or phrase, then why should it matter what that word is?

Who decided that poo was good, crap was OK but shit was just not on in everyday language? it's just a word that somebody decided was bad, when really it's just the same as poo but spelt differently.

If somebody decides to use a swear word in the correct manner to emphasise something then so be it, we're all adults and unless we're priests or nuns we hear this sort of language everyday. If somebody doesn't decide to use a swear word then fair enough it's up to them but at the end of the day it's just another word in the English language.

Spud

**SueW** · 06 Apr 2004, 00:05

I know I'm showing my age but I think that unfortunately with constant use swear words lose their shock value. If I hear two youngsters and every other word is a swear word, I don't tend to notice it but it certainly has more effect when someone who doesn't swear much, utters a swear word. And I certainly don't like it when anyone swears in front of a young child and yet frequently I hear young mothers doing so.

It does make me laugh though when I read the newspaper and I keep seeing f**k written - it's blantanly obvious what word they are not printing so why do it? Maybe "expletive deleted" (as was used on the Watergate transcripts) would make the paper reading more interesting as we could guess what was said!

I do swear on occassions (mainly when I'm provoked) but I think that the English language is so rich that to describe everything as f**king this and f**king that just isn't neccessary. But then I don't use smilies for the same reason... IMHO the English language has managed perfectly well for 1,000 years or whatever without a smiley so why start now?!

KebLou · 06 Apr 2004, 00:11

I know I think it is very wrong when mothers tell off there children and everyother word is a swear word.

Winston · 06 Apr 2004, 00:55

This is not a creche

black dog · 06 Apr 2004, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston

This is not a creche

It may not be a creche Winston but what is there to stop children who are interested in Meat Loaf coming to look at this site? My son quite often looks at the posts when I am on line

KebLou · 06 Apr 2004, 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston

This is not a creche

It may not be a creche but that doesn't mean adults might not like language being used so losely my nan hates swear words and she goes mad when she reads or hears them, I know plenty of people who are like this.

*AndyK* · 06 Apr 2004, 01:29

Swearing is an emotive issue. Everyone has an opinion of some sort on this, and you're going to be able to please all of the people all of the time.

The automatic censoring software on this forum is pretty effective, and those that do slip through that are thought to be too offensive are editted by the moderating team... that's one of the reasons why we're here.

If you see soemthing you think is offensive, let one of us know.

Winston · 06 Apr 2004, 01:31

show a little faith there's magic in the night

*AndyK* · 06 Apr 2004, 01:33

I'm getting a strong sense of deja vu here

Pudding · 06 Apr 2004, 02:03

When and who decided that a word was bad?

When in society or in history past did someone say "You can't use that word because it's bad"? and who said it? and who agreed that it was bad? and which people in society said yes that's a bad word?. I tell ya it's the church goers the do-gooders and the people of society who think they're better than somebody else - that's who!.

Who decided saying ~~~~~~~ was bad when it's said in the Bible numerous times?
Who said saying shit was bad even if it has the same meaning as poo?
Who decided that f*ck was a bad word when nobody knew what a f*ck was?
The list is endless but who decided that they were bad words?

Who told YOU that f*ck was a bad word? probably your parents! and who told them? probably their parents! and who told them? their parents, school or Church and then who told them? - you get the picture!.

You have information that's past down from generation to generation that certain words are bad but nobody knows why they're bad, they've just been told that they are. It's probably because they've been programmed to believe that they are by certain members of society who no doubt themselves was told by other certain members of society that a word was bad.

I suggest that you don't blame someone for using a swear word but you blame people like keb's nan (no offense keb) and other older members of society for deciding that a word was bad in the first place! Because if they didn't then perhaps that particular word might have been fogotten or not used at all.

Spud

Winston · 06 Apr 2004, 02:06

Personally I learnt all my swear words from Meat....WHICH I READ OF HERE....I don't see anyone on the thread mentioning his use of words.

Ooopss what was I thinking......one rule for one......

LostSoul · 06 Apr 2004, 02:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston

Personally I learnt all my swear words from Meat....WHICH I READ OF HERE....

Most of you may know I'm a foreigner. I know a few but since then I've learnt a LOT more as well.

Patricia

Pudding · 06 Apr 2004, 02:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by LostSoul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston

Personally I learnt all my swear words from Meat....WHICH I READ OF HERE....

Most of you may know I'm a foreigner. I know a few but since then I've learnt a LOT more as well.

Patricia

Very, very good points. I was at a Meat Loaf concert years ago in Sheffield and he must have said the word f*ck at least a good few dozen times AND there were children there.

Perhaps we should have a moderator to edit Meats concerts and live recordings

Spud

LostSoul · 06 Apr 2004, 02:25

Meat pays for the right of swearing on stage!

Btw, how much does he pay for every four letter word (i.e. f*ck)? :P

Patricia

LostSoul · 06 Apr 2004, 04:20

Unless it is a swearing ticket he pays for?

Patricia

View Poll Results: Should expletives be allowed on the forum?
Yes.It's only fun.	8	21.05%
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03 Apr 2004, 22:15	#1
The Archangel Gabriel Senior Loafer Join Date: 04.09.2003 Location: Where Angels Sing Posts: 132	Use of language I Gabriel am probably in a minority here, but i dislike the use of bad language in posts on the forum, and simply substituting the middle few letters with******* doesn't make it any better, it's still swearing, and not necessary ......i personally find no enjoyment in reading endless posts full of expletives!! Think before you post Gabriel

03 Apr 2004, 22:17	#2
Chris Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Somewhere in the real world. Posts: 7,527	I'm with the angel on this one.

03 Apr 2004, 23:28	#3
black dog Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,667	CHSIB

04 Apr 2004, 04:11	#4
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	How about a poll?

04 Apr 2004, 05:24	#5
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	of course, a poll would be a great idea. i know exactly what Gabriel means but I feel it is a great forum the way it is. there is no tollerant for flaming and certain bad words, but I feel personally its a great site full of wise moderators who know when something should be deleted. i feel the use words we already use is rather small meaning my point? if i were to call one a bad name, then yes, that is wrong, and shouldn't be said on the forum. but if its a joke with such a minor word, i don't think it should matter much. so if there were a poll i would be on the side where, the forum is great as it is. but if there was a message where it was constantly swearing then yes, that is a rather big issue. an odd word, shouldn't hurt. but thats just me :) no hard feels Gabriel :P its rock n roll after all.

04 Apr 2004, 15:49	#7
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	I've set a poll up to see what people's opinions are on this.

04 Apr 2004, 19:10	#8
The Archangel Gabriel Senior Loafer Join Date: 04.09.2003 Location: Where Angels Sing Posts: 132	Thankyou for doing the poll o wise and revered flying one of rodent persuasion ...i'll translate that, thankyou Flying Mouse, appreciated. ...but i still thinkest i am in a minority...... Yours faithfully Gabriel

04 Apr 2004, 19:16	#9
KebLou Mega Loafer Join Date: 02.03.2004 Location: The Arena of the Unwell Posts: 3,177	I don't think it matters that your in the minority, I don't really mind the swearing I hear it everyday but I try not to swear as I know it causes offence to some pleople.

05 Apr 2004, 05:45	#10
LostSoul Got metal? Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,109	Some 'well-turned phrases' without any swearing can be much more offensive than the swearing itself. Patricia

05 Apr 2004, 13:52	#11
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	As daft as it sounds all a swear word is a word. It's the person who reads it or hears it who interprets it as a bad word. Is ~~~~~~ a swear word?, what about sod? or damn or balls or even Jesus! They can all be used in the exact same way as S*, F, T, A* or C*** but not be classed as swear words. If somebody decides to use a word that is in the Oxford English Dictionary to emphasise a sentence or phrase, then why should it matter what that word is? Who decided that poo was good, crap was OK but shit was just not on in everyday language? it's just a word that somebody decided was bad, when really it's just the same as poo but spelt differently. If somebody decides to use a swear word in the correct manner to emphasise something then so be it, we're all adults and unless we're priests or nuns we hear this sort of language everyday. If somebody doesn't decide to use a swear word then fair enough it's up to them but at the end of the day it's just another word in the English language. Spud

06 Apr 2004, 00:05	#12
SueW Moderator Join Date: 14.04.2002 Posts: 1,345	I know I'm showing my age but I think that unfortunately with constant use swear words lose their shock value. If I hear two youngsters and every other word is a swear word, I don't tend to notice it but it certainly has more effect when someone who doesn't swear much, utters a swear word. And I certainly don't like it when anyone swears in front of a young child and yet frequently I hear young mothers doing so. It does make me laugh though when I read the newspaper and I keep seeing fk written - it's blantanly obvious what word they are not printing so why do it? Maybe "expletive deleted" (as was used on the Watergate transcripts) would make the paper reading more interesting as we could guess what was said! I do swear on occassions (mainly when I'm provoked) but I think that the English language is so rich that to describe everything as fking this and f**king that just isn't neccessary. But then I don't use smilies for the same reason... IMHO the English language has managed perfectly well for 1,000 years or whatever without a smiley so why start now?!

06 Apr 2004, 00:11	#13
KebLou Mega Loafer Join Date: 02.03.2004 Location: The Arena of the Unwell Posts: 3,177	I know I think it is very wrong when mothers tell off there children and everyother word is a swear word.

06 Apr 2004, 00:55	#14
Winston Super Loafer Join Date: 02.04.2003 Location: Lion's Den Posts: 745	This is not a creche

06 Apr 2004, 01:29	#17
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Swearing is an emotive issue. Everyone has an opinion of some sort on this, and you're going to be able to please all of the people all of the time. The automatic censoring software on this forum is pretty effective, and those that do slip through that are thought to be too offensive are editted by the moderating team... that's one of the reasons why we're here. If you see soemthing you think is offensive, let one of us know.

06 Apr 2004, 01:31	#18
Winston Super Loafer Join Date: 02.04.2003 Location: Lion's Den Posts: 745	show a little faith there's magic in the night

06 Apr 2004, 01:33	#19
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I'm getting a strong sense of deja vu here

06 Apr 2004, 02:03	#20
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	When and who decided that a word was bad? When in society or in history past did someone say "You can't use that word because it's bad"? and who said it? and who agreed that it was bad? and which people in society said yes that's a bad word?. I tell ya it's the church goers the do-gooders and the people of society who think they're better than somebody else - that's who!. Who decided saying ~~~~~~~ was bad when it's said in the Bible numerous times? Who said saying shit was bad even if it has the same meaning as poo? Who decided that fck was a bad word when nobody knew what a fck was? The list is endless but who decided that they were bad words? Who told YOU that f*ck was a bad word? probably your parents! and who told them? probably their parents! and who told them? their parents, school or Church and then who told them? - you get the picture!. You have information that's past down from generation to generation that certain words are bad but nobody knows why they're bad, they've just been told that they are. It's probably because they've been programmed to believe that they are by certain members of society who no doubt themselves was told by other certain members of society that a word was bad. I suggest that you don't blame someone for using a swear word but you blame people like keb's nan (no offense keb) and other older members of society for deciding that a word was bad in the first place! Because if they didn't then perhaps that particular word might have been fogotten or not used at all. Spud

06 Apr 2004, 02:06	#21
Winston Super Loafer Join Date: 02.04.2003 Location: Lion's Den Posts: 745	Personally I learnt all my swear words from Meat....WHICH I READ OF HERE....I don't see anyone on the thread mentioning his use of words. Ooopss what was I thinking......one rule for one......

06 Apr 2004, 02:25	#24
LostSoul Got metal? Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,109	Meat pays for the right of swearing on stage! Btw, how much does he pay for every four letter word (i.e. f*ck)? :P Patricia

06 Apr 2004, 04:20	#25
LostSoul Got metal? Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,109	Unless it is a swearing ticket he pays for? Patricia