No West End...

Tina.K. · 31 Oct 2013, 09:47

Meat wrote this on facebook a few hours ago.

" Found out you can not do the the WEST END , unless you do 8 shows a week !! I can't do that !! If it was a play or one song in a Musical , yes but doing the show we are doing now would be impossible at 66 years old . So the West end is Out , we are searching to see if there are other Venues in London that would work . M"

Hopefully he will find another venue. Maybe someone has suggestions?

LucyK! · 31 Oct 2013, 10:02

8 shows a week is insanity, fingers crossed for another venue!

tonyloaf · 31 Oct 2013, 11:37

Hammersmith Apollo ?

Sebastian. · 31 Oct 2013, 11:55

Lowry Salford Quays up t'north?

Evil One · 31 Oct 2013, 11:55

My back garden?

Sebastian. · 31 Oct 2013, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Evil One

My back garden?

Suppose if it is November of next year we could have a bonfire as well?

Evil One · 31 Oct 2013, 12:14

Well Meat did once threaten to paint my house, so he could kill two birds with one stone.

CarylB · 31 Oct 2013, 12:55

I feared this might be the case .. However, given so many productions are struggling to fill seats these days I cannot see why more do not pursue the concept of theatre sharing .. two productions which between them fill the venue 7 days a week. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of an industry that's supposed to be founded on creativity.

LucyK! · 31 Oct 2013, 14:39

Agreed Caryl

This is where someone I know starts campaigning for Harrogate theatre who would gladly do three nights a week..!

lorenzoduke · 31 Oct 2013, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Sebastian.

Lowry Salford Quays up t'north?

Such a beautiful venue - and Manchester has always loved Meat. I'd be there in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by LucyK!

Agreed Caryl

This is where someone I know starts campaigning for Harrogate theatre who would gladly do three nights a week..!

I just saw Stewart Lee at the Harrogate Royal Theatre last week. Nice place. :)

CarylB · 31 Oct 2013, 17:28

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Originally Posted by LucyK!

Agreed Caryl

This is where someone I know starts campaigning for Harrogate theatre who would gladly do three nights a week..!

Works for me

Wario · 31 Oct 2013, 18:44

that wouldnt work. The sets would have to be daily reconstructed

*AndyK* · 31 Oct 2013, 19:50

Harrogate Theatre would be a great venue!

As for the sets being deconstructed. It works in Vegas for Meat and the Abba show on alternate nights, and it works when they're on the road paying different cities night after night. Shouldn't be too tricky logistically, especially if the staging is kept reasonably simple as it was in Vegas.

chairboys · 31 Oct 2013, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Sebastian.

Suppose if it is November of next year we could have a bonfire as well?

yes, a spectacular backdrop for "frying pan"
and we could wave some pretty sparklers.

CarylB · 31 Oct 2013, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Wario

that wouldnt work. The sets would have to be daily reconstructed

Works with two different shows on the same night at Vegas, let alone on different days. Theatres need to think outside the box, rather than immediately react with that kind of "Difficult .. so we can't/won't do it". It's one way they can survive .. look for shows that CAN be set up and taken down fast, find ways TO change sets overnight .. just needs some creative thinking. Meat's managed it .. he has some impressive staging, but another show can follow him in less than 20 minutes after he finishes.

PanicLord · 01 Nov 2013, 10:05

ROYAL ALBERT HALL!!!!

CarylB · 01 Nov 2013, 11:37

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Originally Posted by PanicLord

ROYAL ALBERT HALL!!!!

Great for a concert .. not so much for this show imo

Cherry.Loaf · 03 Nov 2013, 10:13

I can recommend you a Beautiful country Hotel on the 29th of November?

hairyone · 21 Nov 2013, 10:43

Somewhere like the Leicester Square Theatre would probably be ideal in the sense that it is a fairly intimate venue, and certainly can cope with lots of different shows on at the same time.

Evil One · 21 Nov 2013, 11:34

I still say Meat would be better going for a bigger venue and doing a string of giant-sized, intimate shows. Somewhere central like the MEN would do.

JennaG · 21 Nov 2013, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I still say Meat would be better going for a bigger venue and doing a string of giant-sized, intimate shows. Somewhere central like the MEN would do.

If I'd bought tickets to a show that was designed to be an intimate and personal show, the last place I'd want to go was a massive structure like the MEN or the LG Arena that have all the intimacy and provide as personal a feeling as you'd get in an aircraft hangar.

LucyK! · 21 Nov 2013, 14:53

A show at MEN or LG couldn't possibly be promoted as 'intimate'.

When we did the last night of Last At Bat I couldn't imagine that that would be the last time I'd see Bat played to an arena crowd and I was sure it wouldn't work to any other crowd. Having seen the Vegas show I'm backing theatres all the way!

Bat to a smaller crowd was amazing, very intense, smaller venue the better

Evil One · 21 Nov 2013, 15:40

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Originally Posted by JennaG

If I'd bought tickets to a show that was designed to be an intimate and personal show, the last place I'd want to go was a massive structure.

But you'd know where you're going when you buy the tickets.

Many reports I've seen from the Las Vegas shows indicate that the audience struggled with the question concept, so why not miss that out? Still have all the talk and videos and whatever between songs, just work it into the show instead of relying on the audience to ask specific questions.

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Originally Posted by LucyK!

A show at MEN or LG couldn't possibly be promoted as 'intimate'.

I'm sure it's possible. Not necessarily totally truthful, but possible.

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Originally Posted by LucyK!

Bat to a smaller crowd was amazing, very intense, smaller venue the better

But the larger the venue, the greater the number of people that can see it and (in theory) the cheaper the price of tickets.

Sebastian. · 21 Nov 2013, 16:10

Good to see people are still calling it the MEN and not the god awful Phones4U arena.

Dave · 21 Nov 2013, 16:34

Let me throw this wedge into the cog of reasoning...

How do the labor unions work in the UK? It is not simply a matter of theaters thinking outside the box. There is much more involved from the inside - that the theater patron never sees. For instance, this Halloween we did a double feature of Night of the Living Dead and The Rocky Horror Picture Show - both movies fully shadow cast performed. Due to labor restrictions and guidelines, I had to tight squeeze both movies, preshow activities for both movies, audience load in/load out, and intermission within a given timeframe.

Simply saying "Meat did it in Vegas" does not mean a lot. Meat Loaf's show was much shorter in Vegas than his traditional concert. Further, shows in Vegas are much shorter than their Broadway/West End counterparts. Just because another show went on 20 minutes after Meat Loaf exited the stage a few nights a week in Vegas ... this needs to be taken into context.

For Example...

Phantom of the Opera in NYC has a running time of 2 hours 30 minutes with one 15 minute intermission.
Phantom of the Opera in Vegas had a running time of only 95 minutes.

I hardly see any show running successfully in an abridged format on either the West End or Broadway in order to allow time for an abbreviated rock show to play just prior.

31 Oct 2013, 09:47	#1
Tina.K. Braver than she is 🤔 Join Date: 12.05.2013 Location: Holland 🇳🇱🌷 Posts: 303	No West End... Meat wrote this on facebook a few hours ago. " Found out you can not do the the WEST END , unless you do 8 shows a week !! I can't do that !! If it was a play or one song in a Musical , yes but doing the show we are doing now would be impossible at 66 years old . So the West end is Out , we are searching to see if there are other Venues in London that would work . M" Hopefully he will find another venue. Maybe someone has suggestions?

21 Nov 2013, 16:34	#25
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	Let me throw this wedge into the cog of reasoning... How do the labor unions work in the UK? It is not simply a matter of theaters thinking outside the box. There is much more involved from the inside - that the theater patron never sees. For instance, this Halloween we did a double feature of Night of the Living Dead and The Rocky Horror Picture Show - both movies fully shadow cast performed. Due to labor restrictions and guidelines, I had to tight squeeze both movies, preshow activities for both movies, audience load in/load out, and intermission within a given timeframe. Simply saying "Meat did it in Vegas" does not mean a lot. Meat Loaf's show was much shorter in Vegas than his traditional concert. Further, shows in Vegas are much shorter than their Broadway/West End counterparts. Just because another show went on 20 minutes after Meat Loaf exited the stage a few nights a week in Vegas ... this needs to be taken into context. For Example... Phantom of the Opera in NYC has a running time of 2 hours 30 minutes with one 15 minute intermission. Phantom of the Opera in Vegas had a running time of only 95 minutes. I hardly see any show running successfully in an abridged format on either the West End or Broadway in order to allow time for an abbreviated rock show to play just prior.

31 Oct 2013, 10:02	#2
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	8 shows a week is insanity, fingers crossed for another venue!

31 Oct 2013, 11:37	#3
tonyloaf Metal Head Join Date: 15.05.2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 2,398	Hammersmith Apollo ?

31 Oct 2013, 11:55	#4
Sebastian. Biggles Join Date: 15.02.2011 Location: Texas Posts: 2,028	Lowry Salford Quays up t'north?

31 Oct 2013, 11:55	#5
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	My back garden?

31 Oct 2013, 12:14	#7
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Well Meat did once threaten to paint my house, so he could kill two birds with one stone.

31 Oct 2013, 12:55	#8
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I feared this might be the case .. However, given so many productions are struggling to fill seats these days I cannot see why more do not pursue the concept of theatre sharing .. two productions which between them fill the venue 7 days a week. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of an industry that's supposed to be founded on creativity.

31 Oct 2013, 14:39	#9
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Agreed Caryl This is where someone I know starts campaigning for Harrogate theatre who would gladly do three nights a week..!

31 Oct 2013, 18:44	#12
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	that wouldnt work. The sets would have to be daily reconstructed

31 Oct 2013, 19:50	#13
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Harrogate Theatre would be a great venue! As for the sets being deconstructed. It works in Vegas for Meat and the Abba show on alternate nights, and it works when they're on the road paying different cities night after night. Shouldn't be too tricky logistically, especially if the staging is kept reasonably simple as it was in Vegas.

01 Nov 2013, 10:05	#16
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,652	ROYAL ALBERT HALL!!!!

03 Nov 2013, 10:13	#18
Cherry.Loaf Los Angeloser Join Date: 02.04.2010 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,072	I can recommend you a Beautiful country Hotel on the 29th of November?

21 Nov 2013, 10:43	#19
hairyone Junior Loafer Join Date: 03.12.2010 Posts: 38	Somewhere like the Leicester Square Theatre would probably be ideal in the sense that it is a fairly intimate venue, and certainly can cope with lots of different shows on at the same time.

21 Nov 2013, 11:34	#20
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I still say Meat would be better going for a bigger venue and doing a string of giant-sized, intimate shows. Somewhere central like the MEN would do.

21 Nov 2013, 14:53	#22
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	A show at MEN or LG couldn't possibly be promoted as 'intimate'. When we did the last night of Last At Bat I couldn't imagine that that would be the last time I'd see Bat played to an arena crowd and I was sure it wouldn't work to any other crowd. Having seen the Vegas show I'm backing theatres all the way! Bat to a smaller crowd was amazing, very intense, smaller venue the better

21 Nov 2013, 16:10	#24
Sebastian. Biggles Join Date: 15.02.2011 Location: Texas Posts: 2,028	Good to see people are still calling it the MEN and not the god awful Phones4U arena.