Bisexuality in Good Girls Go To Heaven?

Wario · 21 Nov 2011, 20:39

The second evrse seems to indicate teh character who is singing the song is bisexual. After teh "good boys" verse the character goes on to say, poetically, how much he dreams of the man in question at night.

Thoughts? Do you think teh eprson singing this song is bisexual?

The original version could be interpreted as a Lesbian anthem

Discuss.

NOTE: I am not accusing meat of being anything, as its a characters hes playing during the showstopper

robgomm · 21 Nov 2011, 20:59

For gods sake Wario please give it a rest with the pointless threads.

Dave · 21 Nov 2011, 22:08

carole · 21 Nov 2011, 22:11

Oh my God Wario, you really have lost it this time.

Carole

loaferman61 · 21 Nov 2011, 22:48

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Evil Ernie · 21 Nov 2011, 23:13

I can't see anything that explicit in the lyrics. Jim just changed the sexes for each verse. Common thing for lyricists.

He refers to everyone in the song in the 3rd person. He never mentions himself once, so he's not a character in the lyrics per say.

mtaylor315 · 21 Nov 2011, 23:48

I see these new threads and I think: Wario desperately needs a girlfriend

...or at least a hobby

But to remain on topic, no I don't see it at all

Paul Richardson · 22 Nov 2011, 00:23

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Originally Posted by Wario

The original version could be interpreted as a Lesbian anthem

No, but it is about masturbation...

Tri.somethin · 22 Nov 2011, 03:36

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Originally Posted by robgomm

For gods sake Wario please give it a rest with the pointless threads.

THIS.

Wario · 22 Nov 2011, 04:17

give me one reason why its pointless? its an educated view of a steinman masterpeice. deal if its not 100% socially accepted

**The Flying Mouse** · 22 Nov 2011, 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wario

The second evrse seems to indicate teh character who is singing the song is bisexual. After teh "good boys" verse the character goes on to say, poetically, how much he dreams of the man in question at night.

It doesn't say in the song the sex of the person he dreams every night of, you're assuming that because it comes after that particular chorus.

If there was any hint of bisexuality in the song, I would have thought it was "good girls go to heaven, bad girls go EVERYWHERE" (ooh matron

).
Not that i've ever thought of the song in that context till this conversation

Still, music is a fluid art form, and it's up to the listener to interpret the lyrics in their own way.
Somebody might stand in a gallery in front of a large canvas painted red and see a landscape, another person might see a madonna and child, some might see a duck, a tractor, others will stand there thinking "what is this shit, my nephew could do better" (me for instance

).
So if that's what Wario sees, that's what he sees.

GDW · 22 Nov 2011, 10:14

Lesbians and masturbation. This is getting juicy!!

CarylB · 22 Nov 2011, 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wario

Thoughts? Do you think teh eprson singing this song is bisexual?

No

Quote:

The original version could be interpreted as a Lesbian anthem

Anyone could interpret anything in any way they choose. Doesn't mean that they should, or that it's right

Quote:

Discuss.

No thank you. An instruction I'll take a pass on.

chairboys · 22 Nov 2011, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Wario

its an educated view of a steinman masterpeice.

Masterpiece?
This is my least favourite track on Bat 2. Don't really know why as I absolutely adored the original version.
But, I maybe having a different opinion of it soon!

duke knooby · 22 Nov 2011, 16:48

might aswell add the video to the original to this unusual thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kZ2ufuKob0

Wario · 22 Nov 2011, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by chairboys

Masterpiece?
This is my least favourite track on Bat 2. Don't really know why as I absolutely adored the original version.
But, I maybe having a different opinion of it soon!

yo uadore teh original evrsion and dont consider i ta masterpeice. COntradiction

Tri.somethin · 22 Nov 2011, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wario

yo uadore teh original evrsion and dont consider i ta masterpeice. COntradiction

Have you been drinking again? O.o

chairboys · 22 Nov 2011, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Wario

yo uadore teh original evrsion and dont consider i ta masterpeice. COntradiction

I sort of knew that I was contradicting myself!
If I had never heard Pandora's version then I would probably have rated Meat's effort higher.
But, it's the comparison thing. I really liked the original and just preferred it to Meat's cover and so it followed that I was, perhaps unjustly, slightly 'disappointed' in Meat's song.
I don't dislike it at all but it is my least favourite song on Bat 2. Which, I guess, proves what a great album it is!

If that is masterpiece how do you categorise Steinman songs that you really really really like??

chairboys · 22 Nov 2011, 19:27

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Originally Posted by duke knooby

might aswell add the video to the original to this unusual thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kZ2ufuKob0

I hadn't seen that before. Thanks.
Wouldn't mind serving a bit of time there!

Ollie241189 · 23 Nov 2011, 10:30

Wario, I dont think this is to do with bisexuality in the character at all. I think it's literally what the title says (good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere) and the character is the same character that's in Rock N Roll Dreams. He's just there to show the people in the song and guide them through life.

I wouldn't say it's a pointless thread. I'd say it's an artistic question perhaps a little bit too deep for what people care for (including myself sometimes) and that's not having a go at anyone at all. That's just how I see it when i step back and observe what's being said.

Ollie

chairboys · 23 Nov 2011, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ollie241189

That's just how I see it when i step back and observe what's being said.

Ollie

You've got good eyesight then?

Ollie241189 · 23 Nov 2011, 13:31

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Originally Posted by chairboys

You've got good eyesight then?

Lol yeah glasses make it spot on lol

A Slice Of English · 23 Nov 2011, 18:35

I don't see any inherent ambiguity concerning the sexuality of the singer in this song. I feel that Meat, the singer, is singing to Jenny and Johnny in the first and second verses respectively before it becomes more introspective and the singer reflects on his or her own feelings in the final verse ("Every time I try and dream you...") except at no point in that verse do we know who "you" is and therefore it stands to reason that it is merely the perception of the listener which decides whether this is a male or a female the singer is referring to. Whomever it is, I feel it is someone who means a lot to the singer.

Just my ha'penny-worth.

Julie in the rv mirror · 24 Nov 2011, 02:01

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I don't see any inherent ambiguity concerning the sexuality of the singer in this song. I feel that Meat, the singer, is singing to Jenny and Johnny in the first and second verses respectively before it becomes more introspective and the singer reflects on his or her own feelings in the final verse ("Every time I try and dream you...") except at no point in that verse do we know who "you" is and therefore it stands to reason that it is merely the perception of the listener which decides whether this is a male or a female the singer is referring to. Whomever it is, I feel it is someone who means a lot to the singer.

Just my ha'penny-worth.

I agree completely. The song shifts perspective (as many do), and the "you" that the singer is singing about changes depending on who is singing the song.

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Originally Posted by CarylB

Anyone could interpret anything in any way they choose. Doesn't mean that they should, or that it's right

Why shouldn't we? I think most songwriters know that their songs are going to be interpreted by listeners, and that sometimes those interpretations may be much different than they originally intended.

To quote Bruce Springsteen:

"Meaning is a communal cocktail. There is no writer who who writes something and then has the fascist ability to dictate how it is perceived, you know?! That doesn't exist. [...] In other words, once it's released, it literally is released. It's gone free. And as such, even though you're its creator, you are now part of the community that is discussing, fighting, arguing, enjoying the conversation over its meaning. You may have an ace up your sleeve in that you can go out and play it a certain way on another night, but then you're simply adding to that conversation, you are never going to completely define that conversation- no one really can."

One thing that Bruce fans love to debate is whether the character of Terry in the song, Backstreets is male or female. One fan had an occasion to ask Bruce, and he told her something to the effect of, "It's whoever you want it to be", which I thought is either the coolest answer, or a total cop out, I'm not sure which.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is, while I totally disagree with Wario's interpretation, I totally support his right to have that interpretation.

(Unless, of course, he's just trolling...

)

21 Nov 2011, 20:39	#1
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Bisexuality in Good Girls Go To Heaven? The second evrse seems to indicate teh character who is singing the song is bisexual. After teh "good boys" verse the character goes on to say, poetically, how much he dreams of the man in question at night. Thoughts? Do you think teh eprson singing this song is bisexual? The original version could be interpreted as a Lesbian anthem Discuss. NOTE: I am not accusing meat of being anything, as its a characters hes playing during the showstopper

21 Nov 2011, 20:59	#2
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	For gods sake Wario please give it a rest with the pointless threads.

21 Nov 2011, 22:08	#3
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564

21 Nov 2011, 22:11	#4
carole Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2007 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 2,286	Oh my God Wario, you really have lost it this time. Carole

21 Nov 2011, 22:48	#5
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21 Nov 2011, 23:13	#6
Evil Ernie Super Loafer Join Date: 03.06.2011 Posts: 667	I can't see anything that explicit in the lyrics. Jim just changed the sexes for each verse. Common thing for lyricists. He refers to everyone in the song in the 3rd person. He never mentions himself once, so he's not a character in the lyrics per say.

21 Nov 2011, 23:48	#7
mtaylor315 Super Loafer Join Date: 12.02.2010 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 261	I see these new threads and I think: Wario desperately needs a girlfriend ...or at least a hobby But to remain on topic, no I don't see it at all

22 Nov 2011, 04:17	#10
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	give me one reason why its pointless? its an educated view of a steinman masterpeice. deal if its not 100% socially accepted

22 Nov 2011, 10:14	#12
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	Lesbians and masturbation. This is getting juicy!!

22 Nov 2011, 16:48	#15
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,891	might aswell add the video to the original to this unusual thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kZ2ufuKob0

23 Nov 2011, 10:30	#20
Ollie241189 Guest Join Date: 27.10.2011 Posts: 408	Wario, I dont think this is to do with bisexuality in the character at all. I think it's literally what the title says (good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere) and the character is the same character that's in Rock N Roll Dreams. He's just there to show the people in the song and guide them through life. I wouldn't say it's a pointless thread. I'd say it's an artistic question perhaps a little bit too deep for what people care for (including myself sometimes) and that's not having a go at anyone at all. That's just how I see it when i step back and observe what's being said. Ollie

23 Nov 2011, 18:35	#23
A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	I don't see any inherent ambiguity concerning the sexuality of the singer in this song. I feel that Meat, the singer, is singing to Jenny and Johnny in the first and second verses respectively before it becomes more introspective and the singer reflects on his or her own feelings in the final verse ("Every time I try and dream you...") except at no point in that verse do we know who "you" is and therefore it stands to reason that it is merely the perception of the listener which decides whether this is a male or a female the singer is referring to. Whomever it is, I feel it is someone who means a lot to the singer. Just my ha'penny-worth.