Celebrity Apprentice Episode #6

CarylB · 11 Apr 2011, 16:43

My view? The koala won it. Busey touting for employment with Australian Gold lost it.

In every task there's a moment when your instinct tells you a critical decision has been made, and leaving the koala costume in the shop was one of them imo. Had Backbone included it in their interactive process, which was far, far superior to ASAPs. who knows how far it might have swung the executives' decision back towards a concept, which while it was risky, was so much more creative than the safe, predominantly beach theme opted for by ASAP. The criteria for judging were clear; creativity, interaction and brand image. Backbone were ahead on the classic two out of three.

To lose on one criteria seems flawed, and Trump Junior hit the nail on the head when he put forward the insightful hypothesis that the executives could have been largely turned off the theme by Busey's aggressive and inappropriate comandeering of them when they visited. Sadly, Mark (who's a decent and straight player) did not use this life-line strongly enough and argue that as this is what may have made their theme rejected rather han the concept itself, and given they were ahead on both other criteria, hell no, he could not be held responsible and should not be fired. He was a good PM, organised and managed the process well, had the clear support of his team, and should not have gone imo.

LaToya didn't overly impress me as PM

Credit to her for identifying the obvious all-weather need for sunscreen, but her vetoing using their Playmate of the Year as a central model was a poor decision and one can only speculate and wonder as to her reasons; the one she gave imo didn't hold water at all. Her organising skills weren't good, and I'm still at a loss to understand why she had her team speackling and painting, whilst Backbone just had the builders build whilst they concentrated on what was more properly needed to be done by the team.

Busey's inappropriate comment during the briefing was poor, but nowhere near as bad as his behaviour during the executives' visit on the day, when the big cheese had a smile nailed on his face that never reached his eyes, and seemed to get even more fixed when he tried to get away from Busey who wouldn't let them escape. "Let's walk round and see some more .." "NO!!" At that point of course Busey hadn't made his pitch to be the advertising face of Australian Gold at "a good price"

His repeated and bare-faced denial that any of this had happened, when the evidence was clear (and confirmed by the Trump offspring) would have had Alan Sugar dismissing his protestations with "Gary .. I don't like being lied to. You're fired!" .. but this is Trump territory, and I have the impression he wants to milk the Busey potential for chaos and disharmony as long as he can, and far longer than is conscionable. How far Busey's disfunctional behaviour is due to the aftermath of his accident, how much has always been there, how much it may have been encouraged by working in an industry where stars focusing purely on themselves to the exclusion of others may often be tolerated, I have no idea. Has he such a level of total self-absorption that he genuinely forgets his clangers and disruptive behaviour, are his memory banks faulted beyond repair, or is it intentional and played for the boardroom as JR has concluded? Again, I can't be sure from simply watching edited footage. Whatever underpins it is arguably irrelevant imo. It's simply, to me, unacceptable and it's time Trump accepted and acted on that.

I loved Meat's creativity, commitment (who will forget that image of him trucking sacks across the pier?

), his theatre on the day, and his clear and objective presentation of the facts to Trump about the issues with Busey during the task. Like the others, perhaps even more, he will I'm sure miss Mark's solid contribution to future tasks and his enduring good humour. Very sorry to see him go, and to me it was undeserved as we'll never know how far Busey's actions sabotaged Backbone's theme, and in my view he made the least useful but most disruptive contribution

Mark, you'll be missed

Caryl

robgomm · 11 Apr 2011, 20:06

I just can't believe that Gary Busey is still there. I really do believe that he wrecked the mens effort. He definately made the execs uncomfortable at the initial meeting and then at the show. He was a complete nightmare and i have to believe that he lost them the task.

CarylB · 11 Apr 2011, 20:37

I agree, except for not believing he's still there. I think Trump will keep him as long as he can (and far longer than is reasonable) because he's chasing ratings/viewing figures, and someone who's disruptive, bizarre, and drives his teammates to distraction helps that objective. Backbone lost a good team player, and imo Trump's "warnings" to Busey about his behaviour seemed to me more to try and make a ratings motivated decision look less ridiculous. If he's going to fire good people who work hard for their colleagues when they're fighting to win for their charity, perhaps he should make a donation to those ones that miss out because he's chasing ratings. I'd say Busey should donate the money he earns from the advertising contract with Australian Gold he touted for .. but the devil will be strapping on his iceskates before they ever employ his services!

Caryl

Wario · 11 Apr 2011, 21:02

Meat was right.He will have the last laugh. people all over are starting to see gary for who he really is. and some maybe are understanding why meat flipped out on him last week

Julie in the rv mirror · 12 Apr 2011, 00:15

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Originally Posted by CarylB

In every task there's a moment when your instinct tells you a critical decision has been made, and leaving the koala costume in the shop was one of them imo. Had Backbone included it in their interactive process, which was far, far superior to ASAPs. who knows how far it might have swung the executives' decision back towards a concept, which while it was risky, was so much more creative than the safe, predominantly beach theme opted for by ASAP. The criteria for judging were clear; creativity, interaction and brand image. Backbone were ahead on the classic two out of three.

Yeah, I agree; I think leaving out the koala was a huge mistake. The executives were very clear that the mascot was important. I think the pirate theme was clearly the more creative of the two, and better executed. I think you are correct that they may have been more receptive toward it had Busey not tried to sell himself. When I saw how Busey did that and then tried to deny it in the boardroom, I thought he was gone for sure.

I don't think LaToya was a great PM, but I do give her credit for going with the snow angle.

I thought it was a class move by Mark to only bring Gary back to the boardroom, and he stood behind his concept. Unfortunately, it resulted in him being fired. He will be missed.

tribrats · 12 Apr 2011, 00:20

It's possible to take blame without slitting your own throat and I think the Trump's were giving him every chance to do that but he (Mark) just didn't catch on.

nikox1 · 12 Apr 2011, 01:04

Meat done really well this week

,, hes very creative indeed!!

CarylB · 12 Apr 2011, 01:10

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Originally Posted by tribrats

It's possible to take blame without slitting your own throat and I think the Trump's were giving him every chance to do that but he (Mark) just didn't catch on.

Yes, that's true and it's a shame. But you have to be fast and very on the ball to get past Trump once you've said "I'll stand or fall by my leadership and decision" And he's just too damn decent

I so wanted him to grab that lifeline thrown by Trump Jnr and say, Hell, yes .. you're right. We'll never know if my concept was really that flawed, so it's not necessarily down to me. But we do know who put a spanner in the works several times .. so it should be him.

Caryl

CarylB · 12 Apr 2011, 01:14

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Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

I thought it was a class move by Mark to only bring Gary back to the boardroom, and he stood behind his concept. Unfortunately, it resulted in him being fired. He will be missed.

Yes, Mark IS class. He just failed to capitalise on the lifeline that was tossed across to him, which is a great shame

Caryl

Vickip · 12 Apr 2011, 01:16

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Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

I thought it was a class move by Mark to only bring Gary back to the boardroom, and he stood behind his concept. Unfortunately, it resulted in him being fired. He will be missed.

I absolutely agree. Mark is a truly classy guy who will be missed

suzieq · 12 Apr 2011, 04:10

Thanks for reviewing Caryl....I had a kickin' headache last night to stay awake a minute longer.

Thoughts on the show, I thought the creative went to the men....but I think Donald "wanted" to hand the women a win based on creativity. Again for ratings. Yeah they used the Koala but Don Jr....was handing Mark the "out" he needed. Too little too late. Mark is going to be missed by the other members of Backbone, less Gary. As it stands, the men are now on a losing streak. Where the first few weeks Backbone were in charge of the show, looked like they were going to shut the women down, but now the women are coming back despite their disharmony. Has the pendulum swung to the women???

I thought it would have been the perfect time to transfer Gary to the women's team since he expressed the team is "against him"....and yeah, they can't all be wrong. Gary's colours are bleeding through the edits....and I'm glad. Meat should be given a Saint award for that boardroom. Even though he was upset...he was able to communicate why.

Suzieq

meatfanforlife · 12 Apr 2011, 06:40

Stupid friggen koala bear.......>.>

That is all

CarylB · 12 Apr 2011, 09:16

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Has the pendulum swung to the women???

Don't know about the pendulum, but there's a wrecker ball swinging wildly amongst the men inflicting damage while Traump looks down from the drver's cab!

Caryl

Evil One · 12 Apr 2011, 17:59

Which of Gary's appendages are you suggesting Mr Trump is holding on to while swinging him about?

CarylB · 12 Apr 2011, 20:35

11 Apr 2011, 16:43	#1
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Celebrity Apprentice Episode #6 My view? The koala won it. Busey touting for employment with Australian Gold lost it. In every task there's a moment when your instinct tells you a critical decision has been made, and leaving the koala costume in the shop was one of them imo. Had Backbone included it in their interactive process, which was far, far superior to ASAPs. who knows how far it might have swung the executives' decision back towards a concept, which while it was risky, was so much more creative than the safe, predominantly beach theme opted for by ASAP. The criteria for judging were clear; creativity, interaction and brand image. Backbone were ahead on the classic two out of three. To lose on one criteria seems flawed, and Trump Junior hit the nail on the head when he put forward the insightful hypothesis that the executives could have been largely turned off the theme by Busey's aggressive and inappropriate comandeering of them when they visited. Sadly, Mark (who's a decent and straight player) did not use this life-line strongly enough and argue that as this is what may have made their theme rejected rather han the concept itself, and given they were ahead on both other criteria, hell no, he could not be held responsible and should not be fired. He was a good PM, organised and managed the process well, had the clear support of his team, and should not have gone imo. LaToya didn't overly impress me as PM Credit to her for identifying the obvious all-weather need for sunscreen, but her vetoing using their Playmate of the Year as a central model was a poor decision and one can only speculate and wonder as to her reasons; the one she gave imo didn't hold water at all. Her organising skills weren't good, and I'm still at a loss to understand why she had her team speackling and painting, whilst Backbone just had the builders build whilst they concentrated on what was more properly needed to be done by the team. Busey's inappropriate comment during the briefing was poor, but nowhere near as bad as his behaviour during the executives' visit on the day, when the big cheese had a smile nailed on his face that never reached his eyes, and seemed to get even more fixed when he tried to get away from Busey who wouldn't let them escape. "Let's walk round and see some more .." "NO!!" At that point of course Busey hadn't made his pitch to be the advertising face of Australian Gold at "a good price" His repeated and bare-faced denial that any of this had happened, when the evidence was clear (and confirmed by the Trump offspring) would have had Alan Sugar dismissing his protestations with "Gary .. I don't like being lied to. You're fired!" .. but this is Trump territory, and I have the impression he wants to milk the Busey potential for chaos and disharmony as long as he can, and far longer than is conscionable. How far Busey's disfunctional behaviour is due to the aftermath of his accident, how much has always been there, how much it may have been encouraged by working in an industry where stars focusing purely on themselves to the exclusion of others may often be tolerated, I have no idea. Has he such a level of total self-absorption that he genuinely forgets his clangers and disruptive behaviour, are his memory banks faulted beyond repair, or is it intentional and played for the boardroom as JR has concluded? Again, I can't be sure from simply watching edited footage. Whatever underpins it is arguably irrelevant imo. It's simply, to me, unacceptable and it's time Trump accepted and acted on that. I loved Meat's creativity, commitment (who will forget that image of him trucking sacks across the pier? ), his theatre on the day, and his clear and objective presentation of the facts to Trump about the issues with Busey during the task. Like the others, perhaps even more, he will I'm sure miss Mark's solid contribution to future tasks and his enduring good humour. Very sorry to see him go, and to me it was undeserved as we'll never know how far Busey's actions sabotaged Backbone's theme, and in my view he made the least useful but most disruptive contribution Mark, you'll be missed Caryl

12 Apr 2011, 01:04	#7
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	Meat done really well this week,, hes very creative indeed!!

11 Apr 2011, 20:06	#2
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	I just can't believe that Gary Busey is still there. I really do believe that he wrecked the mens effort. He definately made the execs uncomfortable at the initial meeting and then at the show. He was a complete nightmare and i have to believe that he lost them the task.

11 Apr 2011, 20:37	#3
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I agree, except for not believing he's still there. I think Trump will keep him as long as he can (and far longer than is reasonable) because he's chasing ratings/viewing figures, and someone who's disruptive, bizarre, and drives his teammates to distraction helps that objective. Backbone lost a good team player, and imo Trump's "warnings" to Busey about his behaviour seemed to me more to try and make a ratings motivated decision look less ridiculous. If he's going to fire good people who work hard for their colleagues when they're fighting to win for their charity, perhaps he should make a donation to those ones that miss out because he's chasing ratings. I'd say Busey should donate the money he earns from the advertising contract with Australian Gold he touted for .. but the devil will be strapping on his iceskates before they ever employ his services! Caryl

11 Apr 2011, 21:02	#4
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Meat was right.He will have the last laugh. people all over are starting to see gary for who he really is. and some maybe are understanding why meat flipped out on him last week

12 Apr 2011, 00:20	#6
tribrats Senior Loafer Join Date: 07.04.2011 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 151	It's possible to take blame without slitting your own throat and I think the Trump's were giving him every chance to do that but he (Mark) just didn't catch on.

12 Apr 2011, 04:10	#11
suzieq Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2008 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,319	Thanks for reviewing Caryl....I had a kickin' headache last night to stay awake a minute longer. Thoughts on the show, I thought the creative went to the men....but I think Donald "wanted" to hand the women a win based on creativity. Again for ratings. Yeah they used the Koala but Don Jr....was handing Mark the "out" he needed. Too little too late. Mark is going to be missed by the other members of Backbone, less Gary. As it stands, the men are now on a losing streak. Where the first few weeks Backbone were in charge of the show, looked like they were going to shut the women down, but now the women are coming back despite their disharmony. Has the pendulum swung to the women??? I thought it would have been the perfect time to transfer Gary to the women's team since he expressed the team is "against him"....and yeah, they can't all be wrong. Gary's colours are bleeding through the edits....and I'm glad. Meat should be given a Saint award for that boardroom. Even though he was upset...he was able to communicate why. Suzieq

12 Apr 2011, 06:40	#12
meatfanforlife Banned Join Date: 12.09.2010 Posts: 327	Stupid friggen koala bear.......>.> That is all

12 Apr 2011, 17:59	#14
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	Which of Gary's appendages are you suggesting Mr Trump is holding on to while swinging him about?

12 Apr 2011, 20:35	#15
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910