A Big Meat Loaf RANT!!! (RNR Hall of Fame)

JaysScout · 12 Sep 2010, 04:33

Before I start my "rant", I'd just like to state the following. I found this web site about a week ago thanks to Suzieq and her husband. Hanging out here has been great. I'm impressed by the amount of "younger" fans on here. My journey following Meat Loaf began in 1978...probably before many on here were born. It's great to see that he has so many younger fans, surely a testament to his passion to perform and his ability to reach all groups of people.

As I mentioned, I've been a fan since 1978 when I first saw Meat on Saturday Night Live. Through 32 years, I've listened to everything he's done. I'm sure many of you are drawn to Meat Loaf for a variety of reasons. For me, it has always been the genuine quality of his performance, the commitment to his craft, and the uncompromising way he has handled his career and his music. I'm fortunate to work in the world of professional athletics ( Major League Baseball). Through that experience, I have gotten to see and know many great professional athletes. The qualities that I have admired in some of them are the same that makes Meat Loaf my favorite performer. When you watch Meat, it is easy to see that he is out there for much more than fame and money. This guy LOVES to perform.....and genuinely cares about the performance he gives his fans every time out.

NOW...for my RANT!!!

How in the HELL is Meat Loaf NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm a talent evaluator of sorts for a big league baseball team.....and don't profess to be an EXPERT in music. BUT.....please give me a freakin break!!! I may not be one of the 500 EXPERTS who decide who gets into the Hall of Fame, but I'll be damned if I don't know greatness when I see it! NOBODY can look down the list of those in the HALL and tell me that Meat Loaf does not belong!!! I suspect somewhere along the line he has pissed off the music industry because he is his own man, has great personal integrity, and does things the way he thinks they should be done......and Thank God for it! No one gives as much on stage as Meat does. In the past, I have only witnessed this on television of film. However, on August 30, 2010 in Orlando, FL I got to witness it live and in person. ENOUGH SAID!!! The countless stories I've read about his interaction with his fans and the way he treats them is impressive. I hope to someday have the pleasure to shake the mans hand and tell him how much I've enjoyed his work through the years.

So.....to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.......wake the hell up!!! Do your freakin job! Nominate...and then vote this man into the Hall! Until you do....the Hall is NOT complete. There are many great performers in the Hall. Some performed at the 25th Anniversary show that was carried on HBO. They were all great and it was a blast to see them again. BUT......Meat belongs there! VOTE him in!

RANT OFF:

I'm sorry if I used any language that would be considered offensive to this forum. I don't usually get this worked up....but I do have my moments.

I've spent the past week on the road....with my new "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" CD playing. I had apprehension at first as to how much I'd like it......but no more. I don't know about you guys.....but I love it! I think it may be one of the best things he's done.

PS.....I'll try not to "rant" too often.

Sarge · 12 Sep 2010, 04:38

Does it really matter whether someone is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

JaysScout · 12 Sep 2010, 04:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Does it really matter whether someone is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Judging by my post, I may not be the one to ask. LOL

Wario · 12 Sep 2010, 04:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Does it really matter whether someone is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Sorta. i feel something will always be missing till he's in. I mean rappers are in for gosh sakes

...

MeatGrl1 · 12 Sep 2010, 04:47

Firstly I think this debate has already happened and it was argued to death and secondly I don't see why your so worked up over it, I mean we as Meat's fans know how wonderful and fantastic he is and how he is with his fans etc and at the end of the day isn't THAT what counts and matters ?

IDK I just think personally this was a pointless rant really but each to their own.

JaysScout · 12 Sep 2010, 04:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

Firstly I think this debate has already happened and it was argued to death and secondly I don't see why your so worked up over it, I mean we as Meat's fans know how wonderful and fantastic he is and how he is with his fans etc and at the end of the day isn't THAT what counts and matters ?

IDK I just think personally this was a pointless rant really but each to their own.

In the words of comedian Steve Martin......"well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me"!

If this has been argued to death.....it was before my arrival.

MeatGrl1 · 12 Sep 2010, 04:56

Sorry didn't notice the join date

.

suzieq · 12 Sep 2010, 04:57

To be fair, I think RaysScout is trying to find out an answer to a question without being a thread digger. He's new here...based on a recommendation to come here for Meat Loaf knowledge.

Hey RaysScout,

From what I've been told:
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of politics. Our beloved Meat has been nominated and we've tried to vote him in. If not here at MLUKFC (before my time), but at his former official forums on the old website and I believe ROL tried too. It's not for lack of fan interest. I would only hope for it to be fan driven. But when it comes to the committee on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame itself, it's a crap load of politics of who gets in.

The last I heard the committee there weren't "fans" of Meat, so they kick his name to the curb. That coupled with the some of the people IN it to begin with, sorta' looses credibility to me. I'm not here to argue, but this is what I was aware of at the time R&R Hall of Fame was brought up on another site.

Any further information would gladly be welcomed, if you have the knowledge. No arguements.

As a sidebar, I also submitted Meat to be nominated for a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. The jury is still out on that one too.

suzieq

AndrewG · 12 Sep 2010, 05:08

Yes this has been discussed before and I can see why people would want him inducted in there. I think some people have this plea included in their signature too.

I think inductees in the RNR hall of fame mostly get in there based on their popularity in the States, so given the fact Meat has been more successful in Europe and beyond hasn't helped him with this probably. Also there is only a short list of people inducted each year and it's only been going for 25 years + note many artists only get inducted when they are no more (George Harrison for example). I'm not saying that is what SHOULD happen but it is often the case people don't notice things until they are gone. I think the fact that Michael Jackson didn't get inducted till 2001 is a good example of this as he was well beyond his peak popularity by then as is the case with many others in the list so far.

It would be great if it were to happen but we as fans can't do much about it really.

Bit bizarre Abba were inducted this year, wouldn't exactly call their music Rock and Roll.

Who knows it may still happen.

Personally I'd like to see Meat Loaf AND Jim Steinman (non performer category) get inducted in the same year.

CarylB · 12 Sep 2010, 05:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaysScout

NOW...for my RANT!!!

How in the HELL is Meat Loaf NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm a talent evaluator of sorts for a big league baseball team.....and don't profess to be an EXPERT in music. BUT.....please give me a freakin break!!! I may not be one of the 500 EXPERTS who decide who gets into the Hall of Fame, but I'll be damned if I don't know greatness when I see it! NOBODY can look down the list of those in the HALL and tell me that Meat Loaf does not belong!!! I suspect somewhere along the line he has pissed off the music industry because he is his own man, has great personal integrity, and does things the way he thinks they should be done......and Thank God for it! No one gives as much on stage as Meat does. In the past, I have only witnessed this on television of film. However, on August 30, 2010 in Orlando, FL I got to witness it live and in person. ENOUGH SAID!!!

.... Meat belongs there! VOTE him in!

I agree .. and I also agree there IS a point. Meat's made a pretty outstanding contribution to rock'n'roll; a landmark album which continues to remain one of the best selling rock albums of all time, and over 30 years of delivering spectacular shows .. my opinion, but that of many others also. Problem is that the nominating body is a very political organisation in a business sense where if you're with the right label you get nominated, and the chairman exercises an iron control as far as I can make out from numerous articles I've read over the years deploring the nominating procedure. And Meat's not one to curry favour as you say. He's his own man and doesn't court honours. We've hosted and sent in many petitions since he became eligible for inclusion, all to no avail. We've even asked performers (who are included and thus can nominate), and who know him and his music, but have had no response .. and if he's not nominated he can't get votes. But without his presence imo a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame lacks something important, and whilst he may not court it, I'm sure he'd be chuffed to be included. He still treasures his Grammy

Quote:

I'm sorry if I used any language that would be considered offensive to this forum. I don't usually get this worked up....but I do have my moments.

Not offensive imo .. nor pointless. And although it's been debated before, as a newcomer it's in my view a perfectly reasonable concern to express. As you say, it was before you joined, is pretty well buried I suspect in the annals, and the fact that his fans on here think he's wonderful, and many more fans not registered here, doesn't take away from the fact that his contribution deserves recognition from the music industry (although the rather parochial HoF nominating body are to me hardly representative of the music industry as a whole).

Quote:

I've spent the past week on the road....with my new "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" CD playing. I had apprehension at first as to how much I'd like it......but no more. I don't know about you guys.....but I love it! I think it may be one of the best things he's done.

Agree completely. Pure Meat, pure masterpiece to me

Caryl

suzieq · 12 Sep 2010, 05:12

For what wikipedia is worth:

The Criticism:
The main criticism of the Hall of Fame is that the nomination process is controlled by a few individuals who are not musicians, such as founder Jann Wenner (who has filled the position of managing editor for Rolling Stone magazine), former foundation director Suzan Evans, and writer Dave Marsh, reflecting their tastes rather than the views of the rock world as a whole. A former member of the nominations board once commented that "At one point Suzan Evans lamented the choices being made because there weren't enough big names that would sell tickets to the dinner. That was quickly remedied by dropping one of the doo-wop groups being considered in favor of a 'name' artist...I saw how certain pioneering artists of the '50s and early '60s were shunned because there needed to be more name power on the list, resulting in '70s superstars getting in before the people who made it possible for them. Some of those pioneers still aren't in today."[17] According to Fox News, petitions with tens of thousands of signatures were also being ignored, and some groups that were signed with certain labels or companies or were affiliated with various committee members have even been put up for nomination with no discussion at all.[17] The committee has also been accused of largely ignoring certain genres.[18] According to author Brett Milano, "entire genres get passed over, particularly progressive rock, '60s Top 40, New Orleans funk and a whole lot of black music."[19]
Another criticism is that too many artists are inducted. In fifteen years, 97 different artists have been inducted.[20] A minimum of 50% of the vote is needed to be inducted, although the final percentages are not announced and a certain number of inductees (five in 2009) is set before the ballots are shipped.[20] The committee usually nominates a small number of artists (12 in 2010) from an increasing number of different genres. Several voters, including Joel Selvin, himself a former member of the nominating committee, didn't submit their ballots in 2007 because they didn't feel that any of the candidates were truly worthy.[21]
The surviving members of the Sex Pistols, inducted in 2006, projected their anti-establishment image in refusing to attend the ceremony, calling the museum "a piss stain".[22]

carole · 12 Sep 2010, 05:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaysScout

Before I start my "rant", I'd just like to state the following. I found this web site about a week ago thanks to Suzieq and her husband. Hanging out here has been great. I'm impressed by the amount of "younger" fans on here. My journey following Meat Loaf began in 1978...probably before many on here were born. It's great to see that he has so many younger fans, surely a testament to his passion to perform and his ability to reach all groups of people.

As I mentioned, I've been a fan since 1978 when I first saw Meat on Saturday Night Live. Through 32 years, I've listened to everything he's done. I'm sure many of you are drawn to Meat Loaf for a variety of reasons. For me, it has always been the genuine quality of his performance, the commitment to his craft, and the uncompromising way he has handled his career and his music. I'm fortunate to work in the world of professional athletics ( Major League Baseball). Through that experience, I have gotten to see and know many great professional athletes. The qualities that I have admired in some of them are the same that makes Meat Loaf my favorite performer. When you watch Meat, it is easy to see that he is out there for much more than fame and money. This guy LOVES to perform.....and genuinely cares about the performance he gives his fans every time out.

NOW...for my RANT!!!

How in the HELL is Meat Loaf NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm a talent evaluator of sorts for a big league baseball team.....and don't profess to be an EXPERT in music. BUT.....please give me a freakin break!!! I may not be one of the 500 EXPERTS who decide who gets into the Hall of Fame, but I'll be damned if I don't know greatness when I see it! NOBODY can look down the list of those in the HALL and tell me that Meat Loaf does not belong!!! I suspect somewhere along the line he has pissed off the music industry because he is his own man, has great personal integrity, and does things the way he thinks they should be done......and Thank God for it! No one gives as much on stage as Meat does. In the past, I have only witnessed this on television of film. However, on August 30, 2010 in Orlando, FL I got to witness it live and in person. ENOUGH SAID!!! The countless stories I've read about his interaction with his fans and the way he treats them is impressive. I hope to someday have the pleasure to shake the mans hand and tell him how much I've enjoyed his work through the years.

So.....to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.......wake the hell up!!! Do your freakin job! Nominate...and then vote this man into the Hall! Until you do....the Hall is NOT complete. There are many great performers in the Hall. Some performed at the 25th Anniversary show that was carried on HBO. They were all great and it was a blast to see them again. BUT......Meat belongs there! VOTE him in!

RANT OFF:

I'm sorry if I used any language that would be considered offensive to this forum. I don't usually get this worked up....but I do have my moments.

I've spent the past week on the road....with my new "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" CD playing. I had apprehension at first as to how much I'd like it......but no more. I don't know about you guys.....but I love it! I think it may be one of the best things he's done.

PS.....I'll try not to "rant" too often.

It's a question many of us have been asking for quite a while now. I totally understand your rant, I feel the same way, but like a few have pointed out it seems to be politics and Meat is his own man and doesn't go in for all that bullshit. But I never give up hope that one day he will take his rightful place in the R 'n R Hall of Fame. I think Queen only became member's fairly recently, so that gives me hope. It doesn't seem right that a few individuals who seem to have no idea are the ones who decide these things. Thanks Caryl and suzie for your explanations.

Carole

Pudding · 12 Sep 2010, 09:12

I wonder if Meat gives a shit about being in the RnRHoF

Jayd · 12 Sep 2010, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I wonder if Meat gives a shit about being in the RnRHoF

I don't think he would really, being in it does not really help with selling albums or selling out tours, it's just a excuse to hold a ceremony and dinner, just to get pissed I think.

GDW · 12 Sep 2010, 13:12

Regarding awards. I think Meat said somewhere that he would like an Oscar above anything else. However, a good Piss Up anywhere sounds good.

JaysScout · 12 Sep 2010, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I wonder if Meat gives a shit about being in the RnRHoF

I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a rats ass about the RnRHoF. It's obvious that his greatness has not been defined be being in or out. My "rant" had more to do with what a JOKE the HoF is.

Rage Against · 12 Sep 2010, 15:54

A totally understandable rant. The RNRHOF does not have the same stature or respect as other HOF's like the NFL and MLB. What we need is a HOF thread. Who truly belongs in a RNR HOF?

Sarge · 12 Sep 2010, 16:40

I don't care who is or who isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I have my own, virtual Hall of Fame and I can induct whoever I want to it.

**The Flying Mouse** · 12 Sep 2010, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Does it really matter whether someone is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Not really, but it's a nice honour, and a validation of all the years of hard work Meat has put in.
Not that he should need such validation, but still....

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzieq

I would only hope for it to be fan driven.

I wouldn't.
I would much much prefare that Meat was given the honour and recognition on his own merit (which is more than enough) and not because some of his fans have to jump up and down trying to attract some attention.
If that's what it takes, that's what it takes, but i'd much rather it was Meat's works that got him inducted rather a fan campaign.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I think the fact that Michael Jackson didn't get inducted till 2001 is a good example of this as he was well beyond his peak popularity by then as is the case with many others in the list so far.

Like him or hate him, he's not rock n roll.
He does not belong there.
Ditto ABBA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I wonder if Meat gives a shit about being in the RnRHoF

Is there anyone alive who would not dig being inducted?
Even just a little bit?
It might not be the be all and end all, but anyone who says that don't give a shit about being inducted as one of the immortals or rock n roll is full of shit

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Originally Posted by Jayd

I don't think he would really, being in it does not really help with selling albums or selling out tours, it's just a excuse to hold a ceremony and dinner, just to get pissed I think.

Best reason for it yet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

I don't care who is or who isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I have my own, virtual Hall of Fame and I can induct whoever I want to it.

Who are the committee members, what is the criteria, and do you have induction ceremonies?

JaysScout · 12 Sep 2010, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

I don't care who is or who isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I have my own, virtual Hall of Fame and I can induct whoever I want to it.

Hopefully, if and when you induct Meat into your virtual HOF, you will send us all virtual invitations so we can virtually attend. LOL

Sarge · 12 Sep 2010, 18:00

Too late, he already is a member.

JaysScout · 12 Sep 2010, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Too late, he already is a member.

Great. I will try to arrange a virtual visit.

suzieq · 12 Sep 2010, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I wouldn't.
I would much much prefare that Meat was given the honour and recognition on his own merit (which is more than enough) and not because some of his fans have to jump up and down trying to attract some attention.
If that's what it takes, that's what it takes, but i'd much rather it was Meat's works that got him inducted rather a fan campaign.

Let Me Clarify:
I would prefer that Meat be given full recognition by the industy in which he helped evolve if not, at the very least, creating a league of his own in Rock and Roll. However with the current nomination structure the HoF reaks of favoritism and stupid popularity contests. It is simply corrupt. I would rather see the fans voice have more weight in the nomination process at least to balance out some unfair play. But after trying at length, we (the fans) don't hold any weight so there is no need for fans to try and attract the attention of the blinker blinded board. It is solely the industry who has to nominate. Some of the inductees I feel are a blatent slap in the face by the HoF.

IMO: Since it is labeled a HoF and that seems to be a benchmark of success to the general public, I think it may get to Meat at times, but overall, I think he gives the proverbial middle finger to the music industry's politics. I think the fans worry about the industry driven prostegious awards more than Meat does.

Anyone can here can create a R&R HoF similar to what Sarge has and no doubt any one here would have him champion there.

Steve6 · 12 Sep 2010, 19:04

BOOH is one of the biggest selling albums of all time. Bat 2 did really well, and a single from that record went to number 1 in 28 countries. But when you look at parts of Meat's rock career he was was fairly anonymous in the charts in the 80s. In the states especially. Despite BOOH selling millions, and being his biggest success it never went to number 1 sadly. I can see reasons why they haven't inducted him into the hall of fame, but I don't believe it's because they don't like him.
We can all say he should be in, but there must be a reason why he isn't!! Us fans love all his albums, but only two of them were a big success globally to be fair. That might not be the reason but who knows.

Julie in the rv mirror · 12 Sep 2010, 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Is there anyone alive who would not dig being inducted?
Even just a little bit?

Yeah- The Sex Pistols:

YouTube Video

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzieq

I would prefer that Meat be given full recognition by the industy in which he helped evolve if not, at the very least, creating a league of his own in Rock and Roll. However with the current nomination structure the HoF reaks of favoritism and stupid popularity contests. It is simply corrupt. I would rather see the fans voice have more weight in the nomination process at least to balance out some unfair play. But after trying at length, we (the fans) don't hold any weight so there is no need for fans to try and attract the attention of the blinker blinded board. It is solely the industry who has to nominate. Some of the inductees I feel are a blatent slap in the face by the HoF.

IMO: Since it is labeled a HoF and that seems to be a benchmark of success to the general public, I think it may get to Meat at times, but overall, I think he gives the proverbial middle finger to the music industry's politics. I think the fans worry about the industry driven prostegious awards more than Meat does.

I think the key word here, is industry; in all fairness, in what industry is politics NOT a factor? I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. How many times have we heard the phrase, "It's not what you know, it's who you know?"

Think of awards such as the Grammys and even the Oscars- there are criticisms associated with those as well. Movie studios "campaign" to get their movies nominated and voted for. Even those stars on the Walk of Fame are basically bought these days.

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Originally Posted by suzieq

Anyone can here can create a R&R HoF similar to what Sarge has and no doubt any one here would have him champion there.

To quote Bruce Springsteen, (ironically, at the HOF Anniversary, lol) "We all have our own Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in our hearts".

12 Sep 2010, 04:33	#1
JaysScout Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.09.2010 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 157	A Big Meat Loaf RANT!!! (RNR Hall of Fame) Before I start my "rant", I'd just like to state the following. I found this web site about a week ago thanks to Suzieq and her husband. Hanging out here has been great. I'm impressed by the amount of "younger" fans on here. My journey following Meat Loaf began in 1978...probably before many on here were born. It's great to see that he has so many younger fans, surely a testament to his passion to perform and his ability to reach all groups of people. As I mentioned, I've been a fan since 1978 when I first saw Meat on Saturday Night Live. Through 32 years, I've listened to everything he's done. I'm sure many of you are drawn to Meat Loaf for a variety of reasons. For me, it has always been the genuine quality of his performance, the commitment to his craft, and the uncompromising way he has handled his career and his music. I'm fortunate to work in the world of professional athletics ( Major League Baseball). Through that experience, I have gotten to see and know many great professional athletes. The qualities that I have admired in some of them are the same that makes Meat Loaf my favorite performer. When you watch Meat, it is easy to see that he is out there for much more than fame and money. This guy LOVES to perform.....and genuinely cares about the performance he gives his fans every time out. NOW...for my RANT!!! How in the HELL is Meat Loaf NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I'm a talent evaluator of sorts for a big league baseball team.....and don't profess to be an EXPERT in music. BUT.....please give me a freakin break!!! I may not be one of the 500 EXPERTS who decide who gets into the Hall of Fame, but I'll be damned if I don't know greatness when I see it! NOBODY can look down the list of those in the HALL and tell me that Meat Loaf does not belong!!! I suspect somewhere along the line he has pissed off the music industry because he is his own man, has great personal integrity, and does things the way he thinks they should be done......and Thank God for it! No one gives as much on stage as Meat does. In the past, I have only witnessed this on television of film. However, on August 30, 2010 in Orlando, FL I got to witness it live and in person. ENOUGH SAID!!! The countless stories I've read about his interaction with his fans and the way he treats them is impressive. I hope to someday have the pleasure to shake the mans hand and tell him how much I've enjoyed his work through the years. So.....to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.......wake the hell up!!! Do your freakin job! Nominate...and then vote this man into the Hall! Until you do....the Hall is NOT complete. There are many great performers in the Hall. Some performed at the 25th Anniversary show that was carried on HBO. They were all great and it was a blast to see them again. BUT......Meat belongs there! VOTE him in! RANT OFF: I'm sorry if I used any language that would be considered offensive to this forum. I don't usually get this worked up....but I do have my moments. I've spent the past week on the road....with my new "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" CD playing. I had apprehension at first as to how much I'd like it......but no more. I don't know about you guys.....but I love it! I think it may be one of the best things he's done. PS.....I'll try not to "rant" too often.

12 Sep 2010, 04:38	#2
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	Does it really matter whether someone is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

12 Sep 2010, 04:47	#5
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Firstly I think this debate has already happened and it was argued to death and secondly I don't see why your so worked up over it, I mean we as Meat's fans know how wonderful and fantastic he is and how he is with his fans etc and at the end of the day isn't THAT what counts and matters ? IDK I just think personally this was a pointless rant really but each to their own.

12 Sep 2010, 04:56	#7
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Sorry didn't notice the join date .

12 Sep 2010, 04:57	#8
suzieq Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2008 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,319	To be fair, I think RaysScout is trying to find out an answer to a question without being a thread digger. He's new here...based on a recommendation to come here for Meat Loaf knowledge. Hey RaysScout, From what I've been told: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is full of politics. Our beloved Meat has been nominated and we've tried to vote him in. If not here at MLUKFC (before my time), but at his former official forums on the old website and I believe ROL tried too. It's not for lack of fan interest. I would only hope for it to be fan driven. But when it comes to the committee on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame itself, it's a crap load of politics of who gets in. The last I heard the committee there weren't "fans" of Meat, so they kick his name to the curb. That coupled with the some of the people IN it to begin with, sorta' looses credibility to me. I'm not here to argue, but this is what I was aware of at the time R&R Hall of Fame was brought up on another site. Any further information would gladly be welcomed, if you have the knowledge. No arguements. As a sidebar, I also submitted Meat to be nominated for a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. The jury is still out on that one too. suzieq

12 Sep 2010, 05:08	#9
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Yes this has been discussed before and I can see why people would want him inducted in there. I think some people have this plea included in their signature too. I think inductees in the RNR hall of fame mostly get in there based on their popularity in the States, so given the fact Meat has been more successful in Europe and beyond hasn't helped him with this probably. Also there is only a short list of people inducted each year and it's only been going for 25 years + note many artists only get inducted when they are no more (George Harrison for example). I'm not saying that is what SHOULD happen but it is often the case people don't notice things until they are gone. I think the fact that Michael Jackson didn't get inducted till 2001 is a good example of this as he was well beyond his peak popularity by then as is the case with many others in the list so far. It would be great if it were to happen but we as fans can't do much about it really. Bit bizarre Abba were inducted this year, wouldn't exactly call their music Rock and Roll. Who knows it may still happen. Personally I'd like to see Meat Loaf AND Jim Steinman (non performer category) get inducted in the same year.

12 Sep 2010, 05:12	#11
suzieq Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2008 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,319	For what wikipedia is worth: The Criticism: The main criticism of the Hall of Fame is that the nomination process is controlled by a few individuals who are not musicians, such as founder Jann Wenner (who has filled the position of managing editor for Rolling Stone magazine), former foundation director Suzan Evans, and writer Dave Marsh, reflecting their tastes rather than the views of the rock world as a whole. A former member of the nominations board once commented that "At one point Suzan Evans lamented the choices being made because there weren't enough big names that would sell tickets to the dinner. That was quickly remedied by dropping one of the doo-wop groups being considered in favor of a 'name' artist...I saw how certain pioneering artists of the '50s and early '60s were shunned because there needed to be more name power on the list, resulting in '70s superstars getting in before the people who made it possible for them. Some of those pioneers still aren't in today."[17] According to Fox News, petitions with tens of thousands of signatures were also being ignored, and some groups that were signed with certain labels or companies or were affiliated with various committee members have even been put up for nomination with no discussion at all.[17] The committee has also been accused of largely ignoring certain genres.[18] According to author Brett Milano, "entire genres get passed over, particularly progressive rock, '60s Top 40, New Orleans funk and a whole lot of black music."[19] Another criticism is that too many artists are inducted. In fifteen years, 97 different artists have been inducted.[20] A minimum of 50% of the vote is needed to be inducted, although the final percentages are not announced and a certain number of inductees (five in 2009) is set before the ballots are shipped.[20] The committee usually nominates a small number of artists (12 in 2010) from an increasing number of different genres. Several voters, including Joel Selvin, himself a former member of the nominating committee, didn't submit their ballots in 2007 because they didn't feel that any of the candidates were truly worthy.[21] The surviving members of the Sex Pistols, inducted in 2006, projected their anti-establishment image in refusing to attend the ceremony, calling the museum "a piss stain".[22]

12 Sep 2010, 09:12	#13
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I wonder if Meat gives a shit about being in the RnRHoF

12 Sep 2010, 13:12	#15
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	Regarding awards. I think Meat said somewhere that he would like an Oscar above anything else. However, a good Piss Up anywhere sounds good.

12 Sep 2010, 15:54	#17
Rage Against Guest Join Date: 31.10.2009 Location: The Dark Side Posts: 351	A totally understandable rant. The RNRHOF does not have the same stature or respect as other HOF's like the NFL and MLB. What we need is a HOF thread. Who truly belongs in a RNR HOF?

12 Sep 2010, 16:40	#18
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	I don't care who is or who isn't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I have my own, virtual Hall of Fame and I can induct whoever I want to it.

12 Sep 2010, 18:00	#21
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	Too late, he already is a member.

12 Sep 2010, 19:04	#24
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	BOOH is one of the biggest selling albums of all time. Bat 2 did really well, and a single from that record went to number 1 in 28 countries. But when you look at parts of Meat's rock career he was was fairly anonymous in the charts in the 80s. In the states especially. Despite BOOH selling millions, and being his biggest success it never went to number 1 sadly. I can see reasons why they haven't inducted him into the hall of fame, but I don't believe it's because they don't like him. We can all say he should be in, but there must be a reason why he isn't!! Us fans love all his albums, but only two of them were a big success globally to be fair. That might not be the reason but who knows.