Steinman is done, unfortunately

renegadeangel · 29 Apr 2009, 02:59

First it was Meat who said that because of health issues, Jim couldn't do BAT 3. Meat was lambasted for that, the saying was that Meat was just making an excuse.
Now Bonnie Tyler is saying the same thing regarding Jim's involvement in her next albumn.
It is only my opinion, but I think that Jim is finished as a creative force. And there is very little more unfortunate than that...

Pudding · 29 Apr 2009, 03:44

Are you Bullwhip on Rockman? cos some nutter on there is saying near enough the exact same thing.

Pud

**RadioMaster** · 29 Apr 2009, 08:35

what's the point of this thread? I mean, except for stirring up trouble?

I'm not gonna touch this one...

*AndyK* · 29 Apr 2009, 10:43

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

what's the point of this thread? I mean, except for stirring up trouble?

Probably none apart from the one you point out. Certainly without any quoted source this can't be taken as anything more than that I think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

I'm not gonna touch this one...

Except you just did

mediameat · 29 Apr 2009, 10:54

I agree Andy - people might have thought that Meat Loaf was done in recent years - true he has gone through bad times, but look at him now - recording again!

Jayd · 29 Apr 2009, 12:07

Jim is no spring chicken anymore, so really you won't see him do much as he used to in his younger days, but I bet that mind of his can still bring some excellent work, and I look forward to seeing that in the near future.

bobbin · 29 Apr 2009, 13:39

bad health doesnt mean he doesnt have any creativity left in him (or creative force, not sre whats meant by that lol)

Evil One · 29 Apr 2009, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Jim is no spring chicken anymore, so really you won't see him do much as he used to in his younger days, but I bet that mind of his can still bring some excellent work, and I look forward to seeing that in the near future.

Jim didn't do an awful lot in his younger days either! It's a shame he is / was not more prolific.

**RadioMaster** · 29 Apr 2009, 15:02

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Except you just did

yeah, but only once....

WhenItComes2LovingU · 29 Apr 2009, 18:04

Is Jim finished as a creative force? Absolutely not. I believe there's proof enough that he can still write a lyric in two or three spots on his blog. As for music...ummm..."Wonderful Toys" is a bad example anyway, QUICKLY MOVING ON...

Just because he's not finished as a creative force, however, doesn't mean something isn't wrong health-wise. Officially speaking, we've heard three different times now about strokes (once when it got leaked to the Rockman Record at some point in the 2000's, once in the press build-up for Bat III, and now again as the reason Jim's not doing any work for Bonnie Tyler's upcoming album). This isn't a case of 2 and 2 making 5, as some at the Rockman would put it, if each time something has come up, they tried to hide it. We only found out the first time Jim had health trouble because someone blabbed -- otherwise it would not have been known. The second and third times, any change in Jim's health has been steadfastly denied, but what I want to know is if we can really trust that after the first situation.

I wish the man the best of health, but if he's really not doing well, whether he's being creative right now or not, the fans have a right to know.

lisa01 · 29 Apr 2009, 18:28

I have been a big fan of meat loaf and jim steinman for 16 years. i just want to say a big thankyou to jim for writing some fantastic songs that you have writen over the years.i wish jim the very best of luck and thanks for some brilliant songs. from lisa01

**allrevvedup** · 29 Apr 2009, 18:30

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Originally Posted by WhenItComes2LovingU

I wish the man the best of health, but if he's really not doing well, whether he's being creative right now or not, the fans have a right to know.

why?

Jim Steinman seems to be an incredibly private man and should be allowed to do what he wants when he wants it. This whole "public must know" stuff is just an excuse for people to gossip more.

If he's not well enough to release any work, then so be it. If he does release new work, then I look forward to hearing it, but we are in no position to demand a singer/songwriter/performer release material.

I would rather he produce one piece of fantastic music rather then several average songs

bobbin · 29 Apr 2009, 18:41

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Originally Posted by WhenItComes2LovingU

the fans have a right to know.

BS i'm afraid, we might LIKE to know but in no way shape or form is it our RIGHT to know. As with Meat (unless it affects a show or tour) Jim doesnt need to say anything if he doesnt want to, it's his business.

I hope we see more from him but fi we dont then so be it, we will just have to appreciate what he has put out there.

nikox1 · 29 Apr 2009, 19:20

well if he is sick [ thats hes bizz ] there is obviously something wrong, meat didnt do bat 3 without him for nothing? hes not working on bonnies album? the bat musical is sadly looking like its just talk? so there is something wrong [ but thats jims bizz ] we cant demand answers

**RadioMaster** · 29 Apr 2009, 20:32

let's not forget it was an open secret for years that jim wouldnt be involved in bonnies new album. They've speculated about this before Bat3 came out. I wouldnt read too much into this.

WhenItComes2LovingU · 29 Apr 2009, 21:29

Truth be told, last JD said anything about it on the Rockman, Jim didn't even know she was making a new album, nor had an offer been made, but enough time passed between that and the announcement that Jim wasn't working on her album due to a stroke that these could have been isolated incidents.

And yes, maybe "we have a right to know" was a little strongly worded, but still, with all that taken together, doesn't somebody wanna know what the hell is going on?

LucyK! · 29 Apr 2009, 21:41

But as has been pointed out, wanting to know something is completely different to having a right to know. Just because Steinman chooses to put his work in the public eye doesn't mean the public have any right to know anything else about him - some of my artwork is going to be in a public show in a few weeks and if I stood and told everyone about my health problems they'd think I was mental because it's nothing at all to do with my work. Yes people want to know what's going on, but I think a few need to remember it's none of their business!

**RadioMaster** · 29 Apr 2009, 22:13

exactly lucy!

**allrevvedup** · 29 Apr 2009, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

some of my artwork is going to be in a public show in a few weeks and if I stood and told everyone about my health problems they'd think I was mental because it's nothing at all to do with my work. Yes people want to know what's going on, but I think a few need to remember it's none of their business!

Unless the display is called My Life: My Health

LucyK! · 29 Apr 2009, 22:28

Under those circumstances I would tell, and if Jim writes an album under that title then I'll expect some news!

Pudding · 29 Apr 2009, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

Certainly without any quoted source this can't be taken as anything more than that I think.

On Rockman the 'quoted'

source (don't laugh here) was some Swedish Bonnie Tyler fan site

Pud

*AndyK* · 29 Apr 2009, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

On Rockman the 'quoted'

source (don't laugh here) was some Swedish Bonnie Tyler fan site

Pud

I missed the word "reliable" out of my original post didn't I?

renegadeangel · 29 Apr 2009, 23:36

No but we are good friends and share the same tastes in music. We've spent many a night over a few drinks going over the what ifs and the could have beens. No one is trying to stir up trouble but after going over everything, this is what we both agree on.

Pudding · 30 Apr 2009, 00:44

Just because you both agree on it doesn't make it so. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Pud

Evil One · 30 Apr 2009, 00:48

Two rights don't make a left?

29 Apr 2009, 02:59	#1
renegadeangel Super Loafer Join Date: 18.05.2006 Posts: 604	Steinman is done, unfortunately First it was Meat who said that because of health issues, Jim couldn't do BAT 3. Meat was lambasted for that, the saying was that Meat was just making an excuse. Now Bonnie Tyler is saying the same thing regarding Jim's involvement in her next albumn. It is only my opinion, but I think that Jim is finished as a creative force. And there is very little more unfortunate than that...

29 Apr 2009, 18:28	#11
lisa01 Super Loafer Join Date: 01.04.2009 Location: Ashington in Northumberland Posts: 334	Steinman is done. unfortunately I have been a big fan of meat loaf and jim steinman for 16 years. i just want to say a big thankyou to jim for writing some fantastic songs that you have writen over the years.i wish jim the very best of luck and thanks for some brilliant songs. from lisa01

29 Apr 2009, 03:44	#2
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Are you Bullwhip on Rockman? cos some nutter on there is saying near enough the exact same thing. Pud

29 Apr 2009, 08:35	#3
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	what's the point of this thread? I mean, except for stirring up trouble? I'm not gonna touch this one...

29 Apr 2009, 10:54	#5
mediameat Loafer Join Date: 11.03.2008 Location: Devon Posts: 56	I agree Andy - people might have thought that Meat Loaf was done in recent years - true he has gone through bad times, but look at him now - recording again!

29 Apr 2009, 12:07	#6
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,314	Jim is no spring chicken anymore, so really you won't see him do much as he used to in his younger days, but I bet that mind of his can still bring some excellent work, and I look forward to seeing that in the near future.

29 Apr 2009, 13:39	#7
bobbin Senior Loafer Join Date: 10.11.2008 Location: bedfordshire,uk Posts: 116	bad health doesnt mean he doesnt have any creativity left in him (or creative force, not sre whats meant by that lol)

29 Apr 2009, 18:04	#10
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Is Jim finished as a creative force? Absolutely not. I believe there's proof enough that he can still write a lyric in two or three spots on his blog. As for music...ummm..."Wonderful Toys" is a bad example anyway, QUICKLY MOVING ON... Just because he's not finished as a creative force, however, doesn't mean something isn't wrong health-wise. Officially speaking, we've heard three different times now about strokes (once when it got leaked to the Rockman Record at some point in the 2000's, once in the press build-up for Bat III, and now again as the reason Jim's not doing any work for Bonnie Tyler's upcoming album). This isn't a case of 2 and 2 making 5, as some at the Rockman would put it, if each time something has come up, they tried to hide it. We only found out the first time Jim had health trouble because someone blabbed -- otherwise it would not have been known. The second and third times, any change in Jim's health has been steadfastly denied, but what I want to know is if we can really trust that after the first situation. I wish the man the best of health, but if he's really not doing well, whether he's being creative right now or not, the fans have a right to know.

29 Apr 2009, 19:20	#14
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	well if he is sick [ thats hes bizz ] there is obviously something wrong, meat didnt do bat 3 without him for nothing? hes not working on bonnies album? the bat musical is sadly looking like its just talk? so there is something wrong [ but thats jims bizz ] we cant demand answers

29 Apr 2009, 20:32	#15
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	let's not forget it was an open secret for years that jim wouldnt be involved in bonnies new album. They've speculated about this before Bat3 came out. I wouldnt read too much into this.

29 Apr 2009, 21:29	#16
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Truth be told, last JD said anything about it on the Rockman, Jim didn't even know she was making a new album, nor had an offer been made, but enough time passed between that and the announcement that Jim wasn't working on her album due to a stroke that these could have been isolated incidents. And yes, maybe "we have a right to know" was a little strongly worded, but still, with all that taken together, doesn't somebody wanna know what the hell is going on?

29 Apr 2009, 21:41	#17
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	But as has been pointed out, wanting to know something is completely different to having a right to know. Just because Steinman chooses to put his work in the public eye doesn't mean the public have any right to know anything else about him - some of my artwork is going to be in a public show in a few weeks and if I stood and told everyone about my health problems they'd think I was mental because it's nothing at all to do with my work. Yes people want to know what's going on, but I think a few need to remember it's none of their business!

29 Apr 2009, 22:13	#18
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	exactly lucy!

29 Apr 2009, 22:28	#20
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Under those circumstances I would tell, and if Jim writes an album under that title then I'll expect some news!

29 Apr 2009, 23:36	#23
renegadeangel Super Loafer Join Date: 18.05.2006 Posts: 604	No but we are good friends and share the same tastes in music. We've spent many a night over a few drinks going over the what ifs and the could have beens. No one is trying to stir up trouble but after going over everything, this is what we both agree on.

30 Apr 2009, 00:44	#24
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Just because you both agree on it doesn't make it so. Two wrongs don't make a right. Pud

30 Apr 2009, 00:48	#25
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	Two rights don't make a left?