which ablum is better bat or CHSIB

Meatloafuk-2003 · 10 May 2003, 00:13

hey all this is jus a thought that i have had running through my brain what do you think is better bat out of hell or CHSIB as on TOTP2 it said meat thought CHSIB was his best since bat so i was wondering what u guys an gals thought? i personally like both of them and it is extreamly hard to pick a fave!

heat · 10 May 2003, 00:18

Hi,

Thought it was agreed we weren't going to give any thoughts about CHSIB untill June, as we will have had a decent chance to have a proper listen to it????

Heat
xxx

Meatloafuk-2003 · 10 May 2003, 00:20

oops cnt have seen that post as i aint had my computer back that long as ive had to get it repaired due to some git sending me a virus. Sorry peeps now i kno will not mention any more bout thoughts sorry!

heat · 10 May 2003, 00:28

No prob, - pop into Tyre Tracks & Broken Hearts and have a look there :P

Heat
xxx

tbuck · 10 May 2003, 03:16

I must have missed that conversation too. What is that about, not discussing CHSIB till June? Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I think Meat wants us to discuss the album. I''m not trying to be difficult Heat, just don't understand. At my house I've heard it plenty enough to form an opinion...I think it's GREAT!

As for the purpose of this thread, I think Meat is certainly entitled to share his opinion as far as comparison to BOOH, after all it is his work. And anyone else is free to voice theirs. It's just not how I view music, comparisons are interesting, granted, but I can't compare these 2 albums myself. I love both albums and appreciate them for what they are. As I do the rest of Meat's work. I'm weird, one of my favorite songs is "Amnesty", no one else seems much entranced by that.

I like what Meat does, I'm definitely not an unbiased observer. This occurred to me when I was listening to "Do It". Done by anyone else I probably wouldn't give it a second listen. But since it is Meat I kinda like it, because it is so different for him. Never going to be one of my favs tho, hard to beat Testify, LYOL and I think both covers are superb.

JMHO, hope I didn't offend anyone,

T

Shane · 10 May 2003, 03:35

I've listened to it right through dozens of times, so I think I'm in a position to comment.

Not many people would say that CHSIB is better than BOOH. Neither would I. The comparison issue (Jim/non-Jim) comes up a lot and I am frankly bored with it. I'm sure many people will agree that Jim is the best (or one of the best) songwriters in the world, and that he's in a league all his own. So I think we can put that issue to rest. I think its more useful to compare non-Jim stuff with other non-Jim stuff. But like I said, the comparison issue bores me so I don't do it a lot.

mariella · 10 May 2003, 10:17

I also thought 'what is this' when I started to read this topic. But at Tyre Tracks we rate songs. That's very hard to do for me always, because it seems to change how I feel about a song, depending on my mood. I was one of the people who asked to wait with this rating for a while. White of High is the person who does all the work there (avarages) and it seemed better not to give 'points' at this time.

But it perfectly allright to talk about these beautiful songs. As a matter of fact, I think we should!

As far as this question 'which one is better' that has never been interesting to me, because I just enjoy both. I am focussed on CHSIB these days, like many of you. I can only say, to me, it's just as impressive and I truly feel, it could do just as great. Maybe not sales-wise, but these are different times.

I think CHSIB could be an album many, many people will still play in 20 years time. So, if I had to answer this original question, I'd say they are on the same level!

Great day to you,

Mariella

Ben · 10 May 2003, 10:54

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Originally Posted by mariella

As far as this question 'which one is better' that has never been interesting to me, because I just enjoy both. I am focussed on CHSIB these days, like many of you. I can only say, to me, it's just as impressive and I truly feel, it could do just as great. Maybe not sales-wise, but these are different times.

I think CHSIB could be an album many, many people will still play in 20 years time. So, if I had to answer this original question, I'd say they are on the same level!

Great day to you,

Mariella

Well said Mariella, i totally agree with you.

I cannot say things like 'i like this album better' or 'that album aint as good as...'

You enjoy different songs offf of different albums at different times and in certain moods and feelings.

:P

Ben · 10 May 2003, 10:55

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Originally Posted by Ben1984

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariella

As far as this question 'which one is better' that has never been interesting to me, because I just enjoy both. I am focussed on CHSIB these days, like many of you. I can only say, to me, it's just as impressive and I truly feel, it could do just as great. Maybe not sales-wise, but these are different times.

I think CHSIB could be an album many, many people will still play in 20 years time. So, if I had to answer this original question, I'd say they are on the same level!

Great day to you,

Mariella

Well said Mariella, i totally agree with you.

I cannot say things like 'i like this album better' or 'that album aint as good as...'

You enjoy different songs off of different albums at different times and in certain moods and feelings.

:P

Ben · 10 May 2003, 10:57

sorry about the double post, i tried to edit the original and some reason 2 were posted.

heat · 10 May 2003, 15:59

Sorry...musta got me wires crossed someplace

I blame it on lack of sleep...that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it

Heat
xxx

mariella · 10 May 2003, 16:08

Hi Heat,

Yes, with that 'husband' of yours, I wouldn't get much sleep either

But I quite understand why you said this, because the question was asked at Tyre Tracks and we did talk about not rating songs there. But now this topic has been 'moved' to General Messages, and here we can talk about it all we want!!

At the moment I am listening to YRIWR, very hard to 'get into' that one.
If this was a song by anyone else I would have stopped weeks ago.
But I do think the voice is great, so I am trying to get from 'good' to 'I love this one'!

Good to have you back!

Mariella

heat · 10 May 2003, 16:19

Thanks Mariella

I, personally am having real problems listening to Do It!!. To be honest, i think it's the worst song on CHSIB. i'm listening to it, and all i can think about is that advert for Huggies Nappies, you know, the one that says 'do it..do it..do it in Huggies' It's doing me head in!!!

I think it's totally wrong for Meat, but that's just my opinion. Like Mariella says, the only reason i'm listening to it, is cos it's a Meat song, but i really dislike it. Maybe it'll grow on me

Heat
xxx

mariella · 10 May 2003, 16:34

I hope it will grow on you, Heat. We are both 'trying' and if we can't love it, at least we tried!!

I thought Do It, wasn't a song first time I heard it, just A LOT of noise!
But, after 4(!) days, I found that I took it too serious. This song is FUN/
determination for me. Not a song I play every day, but at certain times I just LOVE it!

Now, could someone please help me with YRIWR??

Maybe we should coninue this at CHSIB where MB has this great topic!

Great day to you,

Mariella

White of High · 10 May 2003, 17:27

I had got a lot of discussion about this question here. I think everybody know my opinion. In June...

Tim · 10 May 2003, 17:33

THink CHSIB is way behind Bat.... so it not that good.

Michel · 10 May 2003, 20:01

This isn't a song rating.

There is just one question. Do You think that CHSIB is better than Bat.

I think absolutely not. I like the songs. But I think other Meat albums are better than this one. There is one song I hate and that is Do It.

I will move this to the CHSIB board, because this isn't a song rating.

besty01 · 10 May 2003, 23:35

i agree with tim
chsib is way behind booh
i think this album has to grow on you
because its so different than the other albums he has done
it took me 15years to get to like the song heaven can wait
there are some good songs on chsib and some that are hard to listen to
maybe when june comes i will like all the songs
until then i will just keep listening

R. · 10 May 2003, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

I will move this to the CHSIB board, because this isn't a song rating.

Whatever - i don't want it in the CHSIB forum. This forum's the best place for this topic. Leave it alone, please.

Asha · 10 May 2003, 23:53

Well I agree with besty here.

Booh is a classic.
CHSIB is new, no compairing them yet

Asha

Michel · 11 May 2003, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

I will move this to the CHSIB board, because this isn't a song rating.

Whatever - i don't want it in the CHSIB forum. This forum's the best place for this topic. Leave it alone, please.

Ok R., You're the boss.

dottie · 11 May 2003, 19:12

I do think personally that comparisons between Bat out of Hell and Couldn't have Said it Better are impossible to quantify.

Take B o o H recorded at what was to become the epitomy of Meat Loaf personified- B o o H is synomous with Meat - its always been a must have in every collection - Steinman and Meat loaf proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt that their collabaration was made in heaven. They always bring their own kind of magic to the songs.

Could Have Said it Better although "different" in texture and feel still satisfies the need of bringing music and lyrics alive to us - I certainly couldn't state one was better than the other precisely because they are two totally different albums -production and music, but the lyrics basically remain the same offering songs that all can relate to sometime in their life but the - B o o H was I believe the epoch of Meat Loafs recording career

Bart · 12 May 2003, 10:50

Dottie, you managed to be On Topic

Bat is the best album one ever will get. Better than Bat is impossible.

ChrisBelfast · 12 May 2003, 11:19

I dont know about the rest of you but for me anyway, hearing a song live is the way it gets into my heart. I think its impossible to judge the album against one you have had in your life for perhaps 25 years. You know the songs word for word and have several live versions of them. We all know how good meat takes a song in a concert so i think all these CHSIB songs will have a different effect on people when they've heard them live and hopefully a new live cd is released!!??. Already i've heard people talk about tear me down being far better live than on the album, and i agree. lol, Lets wait to hear them live continuosly for 25 years and then come back with an opinion.

dottie · 12 May 2003, 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart

Dottie, you managed to be On Topic

Bat is the best album one ever will get. Better than Bat is impossible.

Thanks Bart

dottie
x

10 May 2003, 00:13	#1
Meatloafuk-2003 Loafer Join Date: 02.02.2003 Location: Taunton UK Posts: 56	which ablum is better bat or CHSIB hey all this is jus a thought that i have had running through my brain what do you think is better bat out of hell or CHSIB as on TOTP2 it said meat thought CHSIB was his best since bat so i was wondering what u guys an gals thought? i personally like both of them and it is extreamly hard to pick a fave!

10 May 2003, 03:35	#6
Shane Super Loafer Join Date: 30.04.2002 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand (GMT+12) Posts: 608	CHSIB I've listened to it right through dozens of times, so I think I'm in a position to comment. Not many people would say that CHSIB is better than BOOH. Neither would I. The comparison issue (Jim/non-Jim) comes up a lot and I am frankly bored with it. I'm sure many people will agree that Jim is the best (or one of the best) songwriters in the world, and that he's in a league all his own. So I think we can put that issue to rest. I think its more useful to compare non-Jim stuff with other non-Jim stuff. But like I said, the comparison issue bores me so I don't do it a lot.

10 May 2003, 23:35	#18
besty01 Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.05.2003 Location: ballynahinch n ireland Posts: 105	which is better i agree with tim chsib is way behind booh i think this album has to grow on you because its so different than the other albums he has done it took me 15years to get to like the song heaven can wait there are some good songs on chsib and some that are hard to listen to maybe when june comes i will like all the songs until then i will just keep listening

10 May 2003, 00:18	#2
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	Hi, Thought it was agreed we weren't going to give any thoughts about CHSIB untill June, as we will have had a decent chance to have a proper listen to it???? Heat xxx

10 May 2003, 00:20	#3
Meatloafuk-2003 Loafer Join Date: 02.02.2003 Location: Taunton UK Posts: 56	oops cnt have seen that post as i aint had my computer back that long as ive had to get it repaired due to some git sending me a virus. Sorry peeps now i kno will not mention any more bout thoughts sorry!

10 May 2003, 00:28	#4
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	No prob, - pop into Tyre Tracks & Broken Hearts and have a look there :P Heat xxx

10 May 2003, 03:16	#5
tbuck Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: USA Posts: 355	I must have missed that conversation too. What is that about, not discussing CHSIB till June? Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I think Meat wants us to discuss the album. I''m not trying to be difficult Heat, just don't understand. At my house I've heard it plenty enough to form an opinion...I think it's GREAT! As for the purpose of this thread, I think Meat is certainly entitled to share his opinion as far as comparison to BOOH, after all it is his work. And anyone else is free to voice theirs. It's just not how I view music, comparisons are interesting, granted, but I can't compare these 2 albums myself. I love both albums and appreciate them for what they are. As I do the rest of Meat's work. I'm weird, one of my favorite songs is "Amnesty", no one else seems much entranced by that. I like what Meat does, I'm definitely not an unbiased observer. This occurred to me when I was listening to "Do It". Done by anyone else I probably wouldn't give it a second listen. But since it is Meat I kinda like it, because it is so different for him. Never going to be one of my favs tho, hard to beat Testify, LYOL and I think both covers are superb. JMHO, hope I didn't offend anyone, T

10 May 2003, 10:17	#7
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	I also thought 'what is this' when I started to read this topic. But at Tyre Tracks we rate songs. That's very hard to do for me always, because it seems to change how I feel about a song, depending on my mood. I was one of the people who asked to wait with this rating for a while. White of High is the person who does all the work there (avarages) and it seemed better not to give 'points' at this time. But it perfectly allright to talk about these beautiful songs. As a matter of fact, I think we should! As far as this question 'which one is better' that has never been interesting to me, because I just enjoy both. I am focussed on CHSIB these days, like many of you. I can only say, to me, it's just as impressive and I truly feel, it could do just as great. Maybe not sales-wise, but these are different times. I think CHSIB could be an album many, many people will still play in 20 years time. So, if I had to answer this original question, I'd say they are on the same level! Great day to you, Mariella

10 May 2003, 10:57	#10
Ben Mega Loafer Join Date: 19.03.2003 Location: Kent, England Posts: 4,163	sorry about the double post, i tried to edit the original and some reason 2 were posted.

10 May 2003, 15:59	#11
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	Sorry...musta got me wires crossed someplace I blame it on lack of sleep...that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it Heat xxx

10 May 2003, 16:08	#12
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	Hi Heat, Yes, with that 'husband' of yours, I wouldn't get much sleep either But I quite understand why you said this, because the question was asked at Tyre Tracks and we did talk about not rating songs there. But now this topic has been 'moved' to General Messages, and here we can talk about it all we want!! At the moment I am listening to YRIWR, very hard to 'get into' that one. If this was a song by anyone else I would have stopped weeks ago. But I do think the voice is great, so I am trying to get from 'good' to 'I love this one'! Good to have you back! Mariella

10 May 2003, 16:19	#13
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	Thanks Mariella I, personally am having real problems listening to Do It!!. To be honest, i think it's the worst song on CHSIB. i'm listening to it, and all i can think about is that advert for Huggies Nappies, you know, the one that says 'do it..do it..do it in Huggies' It's doing me head in!!! I think it's totally wrong for Meat, but that's just my opinion. Like Mariella says, the only reason i'm listening to it, is cos it's a Meat song, but i really dislike it. Maybe it'll grow on me Heat xxx

10 May 2003, 16:34	#14
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	I hope it will grow on you, Heat. We are both 'trying' and if we can't love it, at least we tried!! I thought Do It, wasn't a song first time I heard it, just A LOT of noise! But, after 4(!) days, I found that I took it too serious. This song is FUN/ determination for me. Not a song I play every day, but at certain times I just LOVE it! Now, could someone please help me with YRIWR?? Maybe we should coninue this at CHSIB where MB has this great topic! Great day to you, Mariella

10 May 2003, 17:27	#15
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	I had got a lot of discussion about this question here. I think everybody know my opinion. In June...

10 May 2003, 17:33	#16
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	THink CHSIB is way behind Bat.... so it not that good.

10 May 2003, 20:01	#17
Michel Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Stadskanaal, The Netherlands Posts: 1,631	This isn't a song rating. There is just one question. Do You think that CHSIB is better than Bat. I think absolutely not. I like the songs. But I think other Meat albums are better than this one. There is one song I hate and that is Do It. I will move this to the CHSIB board, because this isn't a song rating.

10 May 2003, 23:53	#20
Asha Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.05.2003 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 1,356	Well I agree with besty here. Booh is a classic. CHSIB is new, no compairing them yet Asha

11 May 2003, 19:12	#22
dottie queen post- whore extraordinaire Join Date: 29.01.2003 Location: Still Rockin' at "72" Posts: 13,181	I do think personally that comparisons between Bat out of Hell and Couldn't have Said it Better are impossible to quantify. Take B o o H recorded at what was to become the epitomy of Meat Loaf personified- B o o H is synomous with Meat - its always been a must have in every collection - Steinman and Meat loaf proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt that their collabaration was made in heaven. They always bring their own kind of magic to the songs. Could Have Said it Better although "different" in texture and feel still satisfies the need of bringing music and lyrics alive to us - I certainly couldn't state one was better than the other precisely because they are two totally different albums -production and music, but the lyrics basically remain the same offering songs that all can relate to sometime in their life but the - B o o H was I believe the epoch of Meat Loafs recording career

12 May 2003, 10:50	#23
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Dottie, you managed to be On Topic Bat is the best album one ever will get. Better than Bat is impossible.

12 May 2003, 11:19	#24
ChrisBelfast Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.02.2003 Location: Posts: 1,061	I dont know about the rest of you but for me anyway, hearing a song live is the way it gets into my heart. I think its impossible to judge the album against one you have had in your life for perhaps 25 years. You know the songs word for word and have several live versions of them. We all know how good meat takes a song in a concert so i think all these CHSIB songs will have a different effect on people when they've heard them live and hopefully a new live cd is released!!??. Already i've heard people talk about tear me down being far better live than on the album, and i agree. lol, Lets wait to hear them live continuosly for 25 years and then come back with an opinion.