Frying Pan to Lemon (Omit Bat?)

[Wario]

I had a long discustio nwith my cusin about Meat's rain of Lemon and Frying Pan.

He has stated that if Lemon gets cut out of the set Frying pan should too and that Frying Pan is just as old as Lemon, Paradise, and AFL in terms of Live Playings.

i am wondering ... In any of your opinions is Frying Pan getting just as repettitive as Lemon?

My persoinal opinion is: Frying Pan PWNs Lemon, and i could hear Frying pan a million times and it could still pump me up.

Also, as my cusin was wondering, should Meat omit Bat?

[djfierce]

Given the reaction that Bat gets from every show i've ever been to, i think it would be daft to suggest removing this iconic song from the show.

As far as lemon and frying pan, yes they're as old as the others but every song is individual and ages differently, personally i like both of them, i particuarly liked what they did with frying pan on the last tour. There are other songs i would quite happily take out over those two really, however Patti's return has changed my list a little bit now

[~Helen~]

In my opinion, Bat should never be omitted, ever! Aside of it being in my top 10 favourite songs of all time, it's kinda the Meat Staple. Maybe the more commonly heard songs become a little bit repetitive for people who know Meat's music well and go to a lot of shows, but EVERYONE knows Bat, and I think people who know his music less well have to be catered for too in terms of including some of the more well known stuff.

As for Frying Pan, the pyrotechnics for that song broke my camera (twice) (with the heat) so I vote for keeping this song but toning down the fire or someone providing a heat-proof box for my camera (and I'm obsessed with taking photographs of just about anything I can, so leaving the camera at home is not an option [and yes I do accept it's a limitation of the camera if it can't take pictures of flames!])

I rather like the other songs you mentioned too however I would accept that I can't have a show with every single Meat Loaf track I like because the gig would last a day or so! There isn't a single Meat song that I have yet tired of hearing and I don't expect to, however I know there are a lot of people here who have more years listening to Meat's music than I do (not that I am saying I expect them to have tired of it either!).

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Also, as my cusin was wondering, should Meat omit Bat?

The only answer I can suggest to the idea that MEAT LOAF should drop BAT OUT OF HELL from his set list is for your cousin to look here

[AndyK]

Must admit that no matter how much I love Bat (and I do) there's always a twinge when I hear the opening bars as it usually means the concert is coming to an end. Wouldn't want Bat dropping from the set though, even if I have spent getting on for a day of my life hearing it performed live!

[~Helen~]

Originally Posted by AndyK

Must admit that no matter how much I love Bat (and I do) there's always a twinge when I hear the opening bars as it usually means the concert is coming to an end

I know exactly what Andy means about that...Bat out of Hell has long been amongst my favourite songs, long before I discovered the rest of Meat Loaf's music...so I spent my first Meat show looking forward to hearing that song performed live...then spent every subsequent Meat show in two minds - half wanting to hear that song again, and half not wanting it to arrive because it'd signal the proximity of the end of the night - it seemed most cruel and ironic to be saddened almost, by hearing a favourite song!

[Monstro]

Ok, give up, what does PWNs mean?

[~Helen~]

Originally Posted by Monstro

Ok, give up, what does PWNs mean?

HA! A geeky question I am embarassed to say I know the answer to (blame the ex boyfriend - geek-ness rubs off )

Anywho, there are many explanations floating around t'internet as to how this originated, but the basis is that it's one better than 'owned' (I suppose seeing as the letter 'p' is one further on in the alphabet than 'o'...I just think it started as a mistype since the letters are next to each other on the keyboard!)...owned meaning dominates or being better than (as opposed to the usual possessive 'owns')...I think it was sort of gaming speak, where people would say "he pwned you" (or whatever) to someone who has just been beaten.

Aren't you glad you asked...??

[Monstro]

Originally Posted by ~Helen~

HA! A geeky question I am embarassed to say I know the answer to (blame the ex boyfriend - geek-ness rubs off )

Anywho, there are many explanations floating around t'internet as to how this originated, but the basis is that it's one better than 'owned' (I suppose seeing as the letter 'p' is one further on in the alphabet than 'o'...I just think it started as a mistype since the letters are next to each other on the keyboard!)...owned meaning dominates or being better than (as opposed to the usual possessive 'owns')...I think it was sort of gaming speak, where people would say "he pwned you" (or whatever) to someone who has just been beaten.

Aren't you glad you asked...??

If I've gotta learn a new language to use this t'internet thingy I'm screwed lol

daft question again aimed more to the people that use this term...could they explain how PWNs is better than OWNs and if not would that make them a [rat?????

[wolfy35]

Think there would be near riots if Meat ever dropped Bat

As far as dropping other songs from the setlist or changing them that is never going to be an easy subject. So many of Meats songs are so popular and mean so much to people that even if Meat just rotated the odd one occasionally people would complain.

For me Meat could sing the contents of a phone book and still give an unforgettable show so as long as Meat is healthy enough to play for us I will be happy to hear whatever songs he chooses.

[~Helen~]

Originally Posted by Monstro

If I've gotta learn a new language to use this t'internet thingy I'm screwed lol

daft question again aimed more to the people that use this term...could they explain how PWNs is better than OWNs and if not would that make them a [rat?????

Haha pmsl @ "[rat"!

At a risk of taking this thread off topic...if you were dumb enough to mistype pwn instead of own (though easily done) wouldn't you try to pretend it somehow made you better?

Urban dictionary:- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwns

You probably know more of the internet languagey stuff than you think you do actually - lol / pmsl / amt / imho - etc.

And now how to get this back on topic...errm... Bat out of Hell pwns ok maybe that was a bit lame. Sorry!

[RadioMaster]

Originally Posted by ~Helen~

As for Frying Pan, the pyrotechnics for that song broke my camera (twice) (with the heat) so I vote for keeping this song but toning down the fire or someone providing a heat-proof box for my camera (and I'm obsessed with taking photographs of just about anything I can, so leaving the camera at home is not an option [and yes I do accept it's a limitation of the camera if it can't take pictures of flames!])

I disagree.
Seeing Frying Pan performed without the pyrotechnics during the autumn tour last year made me notice how much the flames had an influence on my impression of the song.
It all adds up....but seeing it without the flames (and just pictures of flames on the screens) made me feel there something missing.

I think Lemon and Frying Pan are the two songs among the 'regulars' that could be dropeed the easiest. Theyve been performed on every show the last years, and weather you get tired of them or not, he cant drop BOOH, AFL, Paradise and Took the Words, cause the demand for those songs is just there (okay took the words could may be dropped as well). The fact that some people get tired of Lemon and Frying Pan would only make the decision which song to drop easier id say

[~Helen~]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

I disagree.
Seeing Frying Pan performed without the pyrotechnics during the autumn tour last year made me notice how much the flames had an influence on my impression of the song.
It all adds up....but seeing it without the flames (and just pictures of flames on the screens) made me feel there something missing.

Unfortunately the two shows I was seeing in the Autumn were both amongst the cancelled shows so I didn't get to see Frying Pan without fire, but I can imagine the difference it would make to the experience of the song, it's good to hear someone else's experience of it though

[The Flying Mouse]

I'd be very disappointed the day Lemon isn't in the set list

[~Helen~]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I'd be very disappointed the day Lemon isn't in the set list

Me too, but are there things you would rather have on the list in favour of Lemon?

[tonyloaf]

lemon rocks!!!!!! he could never take that out! its a stadium rocking tune!! and the way he acts it out with the girls a wicked! keep on rocking!!!

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by ~Helen~

Me too, but are there things you would rather have on the list in favour of Lemon?

To be honest, no

I think there are two songs more than any others that make a ML concert for me, that's Lemon and Bat.

[AndyK]

I wouldn't mind seeing the staples so much if there was more variation in the set list elsewhere. Having seen Springsteen three times this last week it really brought it home to me how steady Meat's set list has been over the years ... he has so many "staples" in the set that there isn't alot of time for anything else.

Springsteen changed around 6-8 songs a night, which really did make each concert different from the last (and the next!) and because of that I got to see many of my personal favourites performed on stage. Admittedly The E Street Band have been together for decades now so they have had the time to learn the songs so well that they come naturally when the set list is changed mid-show. I'm sure with the calibre of the NLE though that some more variation could be found.

[Steingirl]

Bat, Paradise, and AFL are staples of the show, so they have to be there. I always enjoy them. I have seen Frying Pan and Lemon at almost every show since 1993, so I wouldn't mind if they replaced them with some of the Meat/Patti duets we rarely get to see. Although since Patti's back, I'm rather looking forward to hearing her vocals on those 2 songs again, especially Lemon. I actually wouldn't mind losing You Took the Words. I'm not a big fan of the sing-along part. Anyone who has ever heard me sing knows why. I hope they choose some new encore songs. I'm a bit tired of Black Betty and Mercury. Those songs showcase the guys in the band, but don't really have any vocal parts for the girls to showcase their talent. Wonder if Gimme Shelter will be in this show? I bet Patti would rock that part in the song.

[duke knooby]

wouldn't mind if paradise was dropped, and lemon, and frying pan, and took the words... that would leave plenty of scope for some variety... would love to hear surf's up though!!

[tonyloaf]

Originally Posted by AndyK

I wouldn't mind seeing the staples so much if there was more variation in the set list elsewhere. Having seen Springsteen three times this last week it really brought it home to me how steady Meat's set list has been over the years ... he has so many "staples" in the set that there isn't alot of time for anything else.

Springsteen changed around 6-8 songs a night, which really did make each concert different from the last (and the next!) and because of that I got to see many of my personal favourites performed on stage. Admittedly The E Street Band have been together for decades now so they have had the time to learn the songs so well that they come naturally when the set list is changed mid-show. I'm sure with the calibre of the NLE though that some more variation could be found.

agree with you andy i was at the london gig sat (springsteen) i heard alot of the older stuff and it sounded really good and a good idear changing the songs, meat is more then capable to do this

[Sapphire Lady]

No way can Meat ever drop Bat - it's his trademark. In the unlikely event that he was ever to do so, I think the audience would be left feeling cheated. You go to a Meat Loaf concert expecting to hear Bat Out of Hell.

I'm not a big fan of Lemon but I love Frying Pan so that one would get my vote every time.

[AndrewG]

No Way Bat should be dropped, that is just insane. That's a bit like saying we'll do an Indiana Jones movie without Indiana Jones and without a hat and a whip.

Frying Pan I think is a better song than Lemon. Lemon is dark and sounds negative to me (probably cuz of the amount of minor chords and the depressive lyrics), whereas Frying Pan is just fun. I think Lemon has been played to often and although I thought RAH was an amazing show I was disappointed with Lemon as an encore, it should have been Bat really. Perhaps Frying Pan should not be played every night but the extended versions when Meat does his Elvis ad libs etc are just fantastic in my opinion.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Frying Pan I think is a better song than Lemon.

There's no comparison, Lemon sucks..IMO

Pud

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Pudding

There's no comparison, Lemon sucks..IMO

Well that's one way of putting it. Lol.