Record Companys

Shadows On The Wall · 27 Apr 2003, 14:33

After reading all these posts by Meat and others, Ive relised i hate record companys.
Gordon Haskell summed it up when he said:
"My apologies to the record industry for entering your chart, your domain, you only have the public to blame for daring to buy something that made them feel good without having to go to the fashion police for permission to be granted".

heat · 27 Apr 2003, 14:37

Well said, Shadows.

Heat
xxx

original sin · 27 Apr 2003, 18:07

profound.....I think that just about sums it all up!!!

dottie · 27 Apr 2003, 18:16

Right On

CarylB · 28 Apr 2003, 04:21

Yep .. and before we close the hatch and fire them into outer space .. might we add the playlist system, those support it, and those who prepare them? And we could pop in a boy "band" or two to keep them entertained on their journey :)

heat · 28 Apr 2003, 10:21

Yeah...can we put in David Sneddon and Gareth Gates too??????

Heat
xxx

dottie · 28 Apr 2003, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by heat

Yeah...can we put in David Sneddon and Gareth Gates too??????

Heat
xxx

and posh spice and every one of her genre

heat · 28 Apr 2003, 11:28

And don't forget Girls Aloud...and what was the boy band called????

Also Blue, Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears.....

Sue K · 28 Apr 2003, 11:53

good morning all!

i know everyone is upset about how things are going for our Meat...however i can't help but feel when i see posts regarding...ridding the world of boy bands and such...bands that appeal to teens etc..that parents world round back in the day..probably felt the same..about elvis and the beatles...i wasn't much of an elvis fan...a bit before my teenybopper-hood..but i can't imagine what my world would have been like without the beatles...

lol..ringo must agree...he just came on singing the NO NO SONG on my digichannel..lol..bless his heart...

Peat Loaf · 28 Apr 2003, 12:00

Boy Bands Girl Bands Pop Idol Fame Academy build a big fire and place them all on top of it along with every midi file player and mini disc player that was made and LIGHT IT !!!!!!! errrr sorry back to topic :) unfortunately this biasness is all about money and the people that make the most money is the record companies the artists do all the hard work go thro all the stress and heart ache and for what ?? a pittance that’s what the music bizz is the most cutthroat back stabbing 2 faced well I could go on for ever and that’s all departments no matter what level of it you are in all they care about is how much money YOU can make them one min you can be on top of the world and then before the celebratory bottle is finished you can be on the scrap heap they don’t give a **** well I think you know the word I’m thinking of

Pete

CarylB · 28 Apr 2003, 12:19

tink .. I really didn't mean send all the "bands" into outer space .. just a couple to keep the music machine guys company :)

I know they appeal to many .. my beef is with a business which seems to control what we are allowed to hear to the extent of burying good performers with universal appeal, and a company who contract with someone to release their material and then do the square root of sodall to promote it .. I'm left wondering if Elton, Bruce and Paul M have to do their own promoting .. or if they are just fortunate that the companies releasing their material have grasped the fact that it's worth promoting golden geese as well as goslings sometimes ... even a golden gander with fire in his .. :)

**The Flying Mouse** · 28 Apr 2003, 16:04

I absoloutly hate 99% of modern music

.There has not been many saving graces music wise over the last few years.The only ones I can think of right now are Meat,Ozzy,and Gordon Haskell had a pretty good sound

.
I hate the ammount of blatantly manufactured bands coming out these days.I though pop stars was the cheekiest thing i've ever seen.They were basically saying "look,this is how we come up with this .... ,this is how commercial it is,this is how we are targeting your pocket for everything we can get,now be good little baa lambs and buy the records and merchandise that goes with it".After seeing all this,PEOPLE STILL ACTUALLY FELL FOR IT.

/

(I don't know if too laugh or cry).
Then,as Pete said,they're thrown on the scrap heap.Now that would be great

if it wasn't for the fact that they've only been discarded for the next pop act

.
Why is the general public so blind to the fact that bands are killed off quickly these days so they have to buy a whole new set of merchandise,because that's where the money is made now.More money is made from merchandise than from actual music sales,which is pretty sad.
Now I would be prepared to ignore all this teeny bop fodder.If they leave us alone,we'll leave them alone right?WRONG.They don't do they're own thing,they have a soul crushing habbit of ruining classic songs that mean a lot to people

.I'm just waiting for some b...... to record a song from Bat.That will make me one furious Mouse

.
This is one reason that i'm dreading Meat's duet's album.There is no modern artist/bands that should be ever let anywhere near Meat.The thought of any of these talentless cretins recording with Meat feels like the sword of Damocles over my head.

Anyway,this was supposed to be a short post

.Sorry for rambling,but this is a subject that I feel very strongly about (you'd never guess would you

).
I'll leave you with a little rhyme for those who feel the same way.

(To the tune of Clemintine)
Build a bonfire
Build a bonfire
Put the pop bands on the top
Put the producers in the middle
And burn the ....... lot.

Peat Loaf · 28 Apr 2003, 16:11

Mouse feckin brilliant mate I just got one thing to say

AND I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF !!!

pardon the pun

Pete

CarylB · 28 Apr 2003, 16:15

FM wrote:
this was supposed to be a short post .Sorry for rambling,but this is a subject that I feel very strongly about (you'd never guess would you ).

hmmm .. think your petticoat WAS just visible there FM :)

I'm looking forward to an album of duets from Meat actually ..
I think we can rest assured he will work with the right singers .. and I would have thought this probably wouldn't be recording songs you're used to hearing from him .. but I love his duet with Pavarotti, and can think of many established and excellent performers in the music world with whom I would love to hear him sing .. he has such a wonderful voice .. my dream is to hear him sing an adapted version of I know Him So Well from Chess with Barbara D .. I can just see them singing a version .. back to back . where each is referring to the other ..

badger · 28 Apr 2003, 20:59

I agree with the majority of opinions about record companies. Unfotunately money is always the thing that companies work for, and cheesy pop sells more than anything these days. All we can hope for is a few companies, and radio/tv stations, that still want to help good music get played and sold.

However, I wouldn't ever want all pop music to disappear completely, like others have said. I can't expect my little sister to dance round her room to Metallica all the time, even though that would be pretty cool!

Anyway, hears to good 'proper' music, and all who listen to her!

Shadows On The Wall · 29 Apr 2003, 15:08

I TESTIFY to all above, ihate allo new music, especially all the RnB crap! and Rap, i hate it all and the Beatles to, utter rubbish

Shadows On The Wall · 29 Apr 2003, 15:10

I tell you what Meat should set up his own record company, Fire Ball records, or something, that way he can do what he wants. with no record company Bureaucracy .

CarylB · 29 Apr 2003, 19:54

Some interesting quotes from, Stephen Lillywhite, Managing Director of Mercury Records UK ...
"Universal - for me - are the best record company in the world. They have the most power."
"People think, “I like that song on the radio; great, I will listen it on the radio”' - you need something else to make someone go out and actually buy it."
"The problem is the UK market has now become more and more singles-driven"
"I'm not into creating bands for a quick profit. I am here to find new talent, sign new bands and do what I do best - make great rock music."
"The objective in Europe is to build a roster of artists and brands out of their London office whilst providing full representation for its myriad of existing talent from the U.S."

hmmmmm ....

CarylB · 29 Apr 2003, 20:37

Well if i had money
Tell you what I'd do
I'd take a contract out upon a Mercury or two
Driven crazy by a Mercury
Lord maddened by a Mercury
I'd buy me me up this Mercury
And fire me a Chief Exec or two

Well hey now promo guy
You look so fine
You're promoting CDs but they sure as hell ain't mine
Driven crazy by a Mercury
Lord maddened by a Mercury
I've been shafted by a Mercury
And so I'm headed on the road

Well if I had the time
I tell you what I'd do
I'd go and kick the asses of a promo guy or two
Driven crazy by a Mercury
Oh hell I'm maddened by a Mercury
I'd stick them on my fender
And I'd cruise them up and down the road
Oh yeah .. I'd stick them on my fender
And I'd cruise them up and down the road

Now who could we imagine singing this I wonder .. :)

jcmoorehead · 29 Apr 2003, 20:55

ROFLOL!

Jen · 29 Apr 2003, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

ROFLOL!

I second that.

ChrisBelfast · 30 Apr 2003, 15:02

Today I discovered just how wrong the record companies are. Today it sunk in. If Meat can sell out a concert an Arena Concert in Belfast in 4 days, how come he can't sell singles.

Look at this way perhaps/approx 20000 tickets at £30 pounds sold
and rarely any singles sold at £3??

One things for sure, the demand for Meat Loaf is unbelivable, and if a tour company can sell tickets in thousands at 30 pounds then why can't mercury sell the singles at 3 pounds??? Big questions needs answering!! The people are out there to buy the single so why aren't mercury making them?

Shadows On The Wall · 30 Apr 2003, 16:51

Yep, thats exactly my though, thats why i started this post.

27 Apr 2003, 14:33	#1
Shadows On The Wall Super Loafer Join Date: 17.03.2003 Location: Wales Posts: 278	Record Companys After reading all these posts by Meat and others, Ive relised i hate record companys. Gordon Haskell summed it up when he said: "My apologies to the record industry for entering your chart, your domain, you only have the public to blame for daring to buy something that made them feel good without having to go to the fashion police for permission to be granted".

29 Apr 2003, 20:37	#19
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Driven Crazy by a Mercury Well if i had money Tell you what I'd do I'd take a contract out upon a Mercury or two Driven crazy by a Mercury Lord maddened by a Mercury I'd buy me me up this Mercury And fire me a Chief Exec or two Well hey now promo guy You look so fine You're promoting CDs but they sure as hell ain't mine Driven crazy by a Mercury Lord maddened by a Mercury I've been shafted by a Mercury And so I'm headed on the road Well if I had the time I tell you what I'd do I'd go and kick the asses of a promo guy or two Driven crazy by a Mercury Oh hell I'm maddened by a Mercury I'd stick them on my fender And I'd cruise them up and down the road Oh yeah .. I'd stick them on my fender And I'd cruise them up and down the road Now who could we imagine singing this I wonder .. :)

27 Apr 2003, 14:37	#2
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	Well said, Shadows. Heat xxx

27 Apr 2003, 18:07	#3
original sin Sinner Join Date: 15.04.2003 Location: cyber space Posts: 2,457	profound.....I think that just about sums it all up!!!

27 Apr 2003, 18:16	#4
dottie queen post- whore extraordinaire Join Date: 29.01.2003 Location: Still Rockin' at "72" Posts: 13,181	Right On

28 Apr 2003, 04:21	#5
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Yep .. and before we close the hatch and fire them into outer space .. might we add the playlist system, those support it, and those who prepare them? And we could pop in a boy "band" or two to keep them entertained on their journey :)

28 Apr 2003, 10:21	#6
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	Yeah...can we put in David Sneddon and Gareth Gates too?????? Heat xxx

28 Apr 2003, 11:28	#8
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	And don't forget Girls Aloud...and what was the boy band called???? Also Blue, Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears.....

28 Apr 2003, 11:53	#9
Sue K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Posts: 13,041	good morning all! i know everyone is upset about how things are going for our Meat...however i can't help but feel when i see posts regarding...ridding the world of boy bands and such...bands that appeal to teens etc..that parents world round back in the day..probably felt the same..about elvis and the beatles...i wasn't much of an elvis fan...a bit before my teenybopper-hood..but i can't imagine what my world would have been like without the beatles... lol..ringo must agree...he just came on singing the NO NO SONG on my digichannel..lol..bless his heart...

28 Apr 2003, 12:00	#10
Peat Loaf Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.04.2003 Location: Scotland UK Posts: 156	Boy Bands Girl Bands Pop Idol Fame Academy build a big fire and place them all on top of it along with every midi file player and mini disc player that was made and LIGHT IT !!!!!!! errrr sorry back to topic :) unfortunately this biasness is all about money and the people that make the most money is the record companies the artists do all the hard work go thro all the stress and heart ache and for what ?? a pittance that’s what the music bizz is the most cutthroat back stabbing 2 faced well I could go on for ever and that’s all departments no matter what level of it you are in all they care about is how much money YOU can make them one min you can be on top of the world and then before the celebratory bottle is finished you can be on the scrap heap they don’t give a **** well I think you know the word I’m thinking of Pete

28 Apr 2003, 12:19	#11
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	tink .. I really didn't mean send all the "bands" into outer space .. just a couple to keep the music machine guys company :) I know they appeal to many .. my beef is with a business which seems to control what we are allowed to hear to the extent of burying good performers with universal appeal, and a company who contract with someone to release their material and then do the square root of sodall to promote it .. I'm left wondering if Elton, Bruce and Paul M have to do their own promoting .. or if they are just fortunate that the companies releasing their material have grasped the fact that it's worth promoting golden geese as well as goslings sometimes ... even a golden gander with fire in his .. :)

28 Apr 2003, 16:04	#12
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	I absoloutly hate 99% of modern music .There has not been many saving graces music wise over the last few years.The only ones I can think of right now are Meat,Ozzy,and Gordon Haskell had a pretty good sound . I hate the ammount of blatantly manufactured bands coming out these days.I though pop stars was the cheekiest thing i've ever seen.They were basically saying "look,this is how we come up with this .... ,this is how commercial it is,this is how we are targeting your pocket for everything we can get,now be good little baa lambs and buy the records and merchandise that goes with it".After seeing all this,PEOPLE STILL ACTUALLY FELL FOR IT. / (I don't know if too laugh or cry). Then,as Pete said,they're thrown on the scrap heap.Now that would be great if it wasn't for the fact that they've only been discarded for the next pop act . Why is the general public so blind to the fact that bands are killed off quickly these days so they have to buy a whole new set of merchandise,because that's where the money is made now.More money is made from merchandise than from actual music sales,which is pretty sad. Now I would be prepared to ignore all this teeny bop fodder.If they leave us alone,we'll leave them alone right?WRONG.They don't do they're own thing,they have a soul crushing habbit of ruining classic songs that mean a lot to people .I'm just waiting for some b...... to record a song from Bat.That will make me one furious Mouse . This is one reason that i'm dreading Meat's duet's album.There is no modern artist/bands that should be ever let anywhere near Meat.The thought of any of these talentless cretins recording with Meat feels like the sword of Damocles over my head. Anyway,this was supposed to be a short post .Sorry for rambling,but this is a subject that I feel very strongly about (you'd never guess would you ). I'll leave you with a little rhyme for those who feel the same way. (To the tune of Clemintine) Build a bonfire Build a bonfire Put the pop bands on the top Put the producers in the middle And burn the ....... lot.

28 Apr 2003, 16:11	#13
Peat Loaf Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.04.2003 Location: Scotland UK Posts: 156	Mouse feckin brilliant mate I just got one thing to say AND I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF !!! pardon the pun Pete

28 Apr 2003, 16:15	#14
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	FM wrote: this was supposed to be a short post .Sorry for rambling,but this is a subject that I feel very strongly about (you'd never guess would you ). hmmm .. think your petticoat WAS just visible there FM :) I'm looking forward to an album of duets from Meat actually .. I think we can rest assured he will work with the right singers .. and I would have thought this probably wouldn't be recording songs you're used to hearing from him .. but I love his duet with Pavarotti, and can think of many established and excellent performers in the music world with whom I would love to hear him sing .. he has such a wonderful voice .. my dream is to hear him sing an adapted version of I know Him So Well from Chess with Barbara D .. I can just see them singing a version .. back to back . where each is referring to the other ..

28 Apr 2003, 20:59	#15
badger Super Loafer Join Date: 23.10.2002 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 511	I agree with the majority of opinions about record companies. Unfotunately money is always the thing that companies work for, and cheesy pop sells more than anything these days. All we can hope for is a few companies, and radio/tv stations, that still want to help good music get played and sold. However, I wouldn't ever want all pop music to disappear completely, like others have said. I can't expect my little sister to dance round her room to Metallica all the time, even though that would be pretty cool! Anyway, hears to good 'proper' music, and all who listen to her!

29 Apr 2003, 15:08	#16
Shadows On The Wall Super Loafer Join Date: 17.03.2003 Location: Wales Posts: 278	I TESTIFY to all above, ihate allo new music, especially all the RnB crap! and Rap, i hate it all and the Beatles to, utter rubbish

29 Apr 2003, 15:10	#17
Shadows On The Wall Super Loafer Join Date: 17.03.2003 Location: Wales Posts: 278	I tell you what Meat should set up his own record company, Fire Ball records, or something, that way he can do what he wants. with no record company Bureaucracy .

29 Apr 2003, 19:54	#18
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Some interesting quotes from, Stephen Lillywhite, Managing Director of Mercury Records UK ... "Universal - for me - are the best record company in the world. They have the most power." "People think, “I like that song on the radio; great, I will listen it on the radio”' - you need something else to make someone go out and actually buy it." "The problem is the UK market has now become more and more singles-driven" "I'm not into creating bands for a quick profit. I am here to find new talent, sign new bands and do what I do best - make great rock music." "The objective in Europe is to build a roster of artists and brands out of their London office whilst providing full representation for its myriad of existing talent from the U.S." hmmmmm ....

29 Apr 2003, 20:55	#20
jcmoorehead Super Loafer Join Date: 09.04.2003 Location: Edinburgh, formerly Teesside Posts: 672	ROFLOL!

30 Apr 2003, 15:02	#22
ChrisBelfast Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.02.2003 Location: Posts: 1,061	Today I discovered just how wrong the record companies are. Today it sunk in. If Meat can sell out a concert an Arena Concert in Belfast in 4 days, how come he can't sell singles. Look at this way perhaps/approx 20000 tickets at £30 pounds sold and rarely any singles sold at £3?? One things for sure, the demand for Meat Loaf is unbelivable, and if a tour company can sell tickets in thousands at 30 pounds then why can't mercury sell the singles at 3 pounds??? Big questions needs answering!! The people are out there to buy the single so why aren't mercury making them?

30 Apr 2003, 16:51	#23
Shadows On The Wall Super Loafer Join Date: 17.03.2003 Location: Wales Posts: 278	Yep, thats exactly my though, thats why i started this post.