Meat's posts - Page 7

suzieq · 23 Apr 2010, 17:06

Well, as the mods go over the details and discuss within the group, they will actually have the final say because Meat isn't above the rules right now and doesn't have the "say" some of us wish him to have. Be it final or otherwise.

Emotions are very high on topic. But now a solution must be derived all the while preserving Meat's public image.

djfierce · 23 Apr 2010, 19:08

sorry Suzie, i really like you and your posts, but you cannot seriously suggest Meat's opinions aren't taken into consideration and he doesn't have a sizeable say. Having met R on several occasions and witnessing Meat with him before too, i would seriously doubt Meat feels he isn't being treated as he should. As he said himself, it went too far and should have been taken down. There is absolutely no good purpose for those posts to remain, for Meat's own sake they shouldn't have stayed and i do believe he sees that.
Emotions are very high but i don't understand why, he makes the posts, he calls people out like he should be able to, but once it starts to turn bad and possibly could be used to make him look bad they are deleted, not all censorship is bad, and to suggest that Meat should have free run to me is a little naive. I don't believe he would want it that way, he obviously has no problem with it as he keeps posting here, even after he has posts deleted, it seems to me the people who have the problem are some fans .

Don't disregard and disrespect the owner of this site so out of hand, he is as big a fan of Meat as the rest of us, maybe even bigger considering he takes the time to finance and run this site. There is no way this site is intended to censor Meat or hold him back from talking to his fans, and there is definately no way the owner would not listen to Meat should he raise concerns, if that were the case, Meat wouldn't be here and wouldn't hold Rainer in the high regard that he so obviously does.

on your last sentence about preserving Meat's public image, i absolutely believe that the deletion of those posts does exactly that. He was able to call the guy out and put him in his place, end of story, the purpose was served, what good reason is there for that to remain around for joe bloggs to stumble upon and misread.

R. · 23 Apr 2010, 20:03

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Originally Posted by suzieq

I'll concede for motion of the thread to remain down out of respect. As far as future toy throwing.....I would hope the mods move it to a member only (non google-able) area like they did with this thread.

Suzieq

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Originally Posted by tink

hi Suzieq ... what do you mean by "non google-able" ? ... i logged off to see if the feedback section is visible... and it is ... and i can read the posts there ...

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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Members only sections can't be included in Google search terms. Non-members/public sections can.

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Originally Posted by tink

i don't understand why sections of a forum would be googled... a person can google UK Meat Loaf Fan Club and come here and see the Feedback Section and read the posts without joining... at least that's how it appears to me ...

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

They can ? News to me !! not good !
M

The areas covering more general content like "General Messages","Loaf, Camera Action","Tyre Tracks & Broken Hearts","Feedback","Test" and "Off Topic" are available to the public and can therefore be indexed by Google, Bing, Yahoo and others. The search engines bring new visitors to the site, which obviously should be in our interest. These areas are read-only though.

The real content areas like "Tour Talk","Bat3" and "HCTB" are setup differently. Anonymous users can enter the forums and see the thread titles, but they cannot access the content. You have to sign up and confirm your email address before you can access the content. Posting access will only be granted after the new signup has been reviewed and approved by the team. This is mainly done to reduce forum spam.

Hope that answers the questions.

suzieq · 23 Apr 2010, 20:23

@ Anji your p.m. box is full but I tried to send you this:

Anji,
I like you too :) I wanted to let you know that I'm giving what you said a serious thinking about...in a good way. Once I gather a cohesive stream of thought about it I will respond on forum.

I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring your post or being elusive to discussion.

Respectfully,
Suzanne

TheDoode · 23 Apr 2010, 21:13

Isn't the censorsing/removing thing just a minor side issue to the fact that there are people that post here who are causing... problems for other users, for Meat, and for anyone who doesn't want to feel chewed up and spat out after visiting for more than a couple of hours?

Isn't that why everyone's so upset? Why Meat gets upset? And why I think 'Jezus, I'd like to be part of this... but the atmosphere really kills it at times'.

Underneath everything, isn't that what we're talking about? Sorry to be blunt, but it feels like this issue is constantly being glazed over.

Peace

Doode.

CarylB · 23 Apr 2010, 21:33

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Isn't the censorsing/removing thing just a minor side issue to the fact that there are people that post here who are causing massive problems - for other users, for Meat, and for anyone who doesn't want to feel like a piece of shit after visiting for more than a couple of hours in a row?

Isn't that why everyone's so upset here? Why Meat gets upset, occasionally? And why I think 'Jezus, I'd like to be part of this but the atmosphere is so negative and bitchy that I can't afford to stay'.

Underneath everything, isn't that what we're talking about here? Sorry to be so blunt, but it feels like this issue is constantly being glazed over.

Peace

Doode.

Yes, I think it is secondary to what you describe. As you say no-one wants to be poked at for supporting Meat or being enthusiastic about what he's doing, and no-one wants to see him being provoked.

From posts from the moderator team and Rainer on this thread, they have indicated that they are looking at ways of dealing with this, have reminded us that they are always ready to respond to us reporting posts, and taken some actions concerning those who provoked the most recent problems .. so it seems to me are not intending to glaze over it. Until then I tend to feel the discussion has run its course, and if Rainer and his team can come up with something which helps prevent a small number of people making the forum unpleasant for us and most particularly for Meat, then it will have achieved something valuable imo.

Caryl

TheDoode · 23 Apr 2010, 21:42

Agreed

Doode.

duke knooby · 23 Apr 2010, 21:52

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Isn't the censorsing/removing thing just a minor side issue to the fact that there are people that post here who are causing... problems for other users, for Meat, and for anyone who doesn't want to feel chewed up and spat out after visiting for more than a couple of hours?

Doode.

This is an excellent forum with a FANTASTIC moderation team, who DO deal with issues and rule breaks etc etc

It might be a reasonable time to mention that any member here who is having problems with another member, also has the facility of an ignore button.

djfierce · 24 Apr 2010, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzieq

@ Anji your p.m. box is full but I tried to send you this:

Anji,
I like you too :) I wanted to let you know that I'm giving what you said a serious thinking about...in a good way. Once I gather a cohesive stream of thought about it I will respond on forum.

I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring your post or being elusive to discussion.

Respectfully,
Suzanne

Thanks Suzie

I'd like to say it was because i'm popular but actually i'm just lazy at clearing my box lol

Hope my post makes sense lol i tend to type and think at the same time which isn't always good

I won't post anymore as i think this is runnning it's course and not really a good thread to be constantly active right now but i kind of sit in the middle of the sides of opinions here i think.

Great to see Meat posting some more relaxed friendly posts

Vickip · 24 Apr 2010, 01:39

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Originally Posted by djfierce

Hope my post makes sense lol i tend to type and think at the same time which isn't always good

It made perfect sense to me Anji

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Great to see Meat posting some more relaxed friendly posts

I second that

I love seeing Meat relaxed and really enjoying himself on here

MeatGrl1 · 24 Apr 2010, 01:47

Me three !!
And that also made perfect sense to me

.

suzieq · 24 Apr 2010, 01:57

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Originally Posted by djfierce

sorry Suzie, i really like you and your posts, but you cannot seriously suggest Meat's opinions aren't taken into consideration and he doesn't have a sizeable say.

Don't be sorry. We can disagree and I am civil. However, you are right. Meat does have a say. I have a better understanding now and I changed my mind.
He does get to call some one out and put his "kids" in their place.

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Originally Posted by djfierce

Don't disregard and disrespect the owner of this site so out of hand, he is as big a fan of Meat as the rest of us,

I am apologize to R. right now if it appeared I was being disrespectful. I've never doubting his fanship or size of it. I actually pale in comparison, I just passionately believe in the fact that something needs to be done preventatively instead of after the fact.

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Originally Posted by djfierce

on your last sentence about preserving Meat's public image, i absolutely believe that the deletion of those posts does exactly that. He was able to call the guy out and put him in his place, end of story, the purpose was served, what good reason is there for that to remain around for joe bloggs to stumble upon and misread.

I agreed with the threads being kept down once Meat's post went up. And I agree, it is in Meat's best interest and image to keep the threads away from the rubber neckers of the internet who can misinterpret situations.

Some areas of this post was not really applicable to me, but I'll pm you to clarify what I mean.

Suzieq

djfierce · 24 Apr 2010, 07:57

Cool post Suzie

It is a huge fault of mine that when i quote someone i tend to answer the jist of the thread so for that i apologize.

It seems we pretty much agree on the bigger issues and my wording of disrepect was probably ill advised, i just don't think people realise how dedicated he is to Meat.

Preventative measures would be great but it has to have a limit, i think a good balance is constantly aimed for, doesn't always work but nothing ever does lol. i don't want to worry if my post is gonna stay up if i say i thought a live show wasnt that great or i just don't like that song.

TheDoode · 24 Apr 2010, 11:21

Fresh eyes today.

I think everyone's vented, I'm good to move on, and I'm out of the thread I think. Time to talk about the album again!

Doode.

nikox1 · 24 Apr 2010, 11:28

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Fresh eyes today.

I think everyone's vented, I'm good to move on, and I'm out of the thread I think. Time to talk about the album again!

Doode.

Boo Boo !!!! he he,, yeah its time to say goodbye

mikeloaf · 26 Apr 2010, 03:49

He ignores my PM and post, strange. I often am just asking his advice.

suzieq · 26 Apr 2010, 04:05

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Originally Posted by mikeloaf

He ignores my PM and post, strange. I often am just asking his advice.

So am I reading the shoutbox right....your issue is settled then????

suzieq

mikeloaf · 26 Apr 2010, 12:20

Oh yes! how rude was my comment! He must be so busy, but he does read all we PM him. I just had a few very hard days at work and needed boost and he gave me it!!

MeatGrl1 · 26 Apr 2010, 18:12

Mike with all due respect, what is your problem ?
Wether you meant it to sound like that or not IDK but that came across as very sarcastic

!!

CarylB · 26 Apr 2010, 23:05

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Thanks for comments Rainer. You asked me a couple of questions. Like you I need a bit of thinking time And will get back to you

Caryl

Rainer .. thank you :)

Caryl

mikeloaf · 27 Apr 2010, 23:31

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Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

Mike with all due respect, what is your problem ?
Wether you meant it to sound like that or not IDK but that came across as very sarcastic

!!

was a problem at that time but not know, I am like that!

MeatGrl1 · 27 Apr 2010, 23:34

It's OK

.

23 Apr 2010, 21:13	#155
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	Isn't the censorsing/removing thing just a minor side issue to the fact that there are people that post here who are causing... problems for other users, for Meat, and for anyone who doesn't want to feel chewed up and spat out after visiting for more than a couple of hours? Isn't that why everyone's so upset? Why Meat gets upset? And why I think 'Jezus, I'd like to be part of this... but the atmosphere really kills it at times'. Underneath everything, isn't that what we're talking about? Sorry to be blunt, but it feels like this issue is constantly being glazed over. Peace Doode. Last edited by TheDoode; 23 Apr 2010 at 21:29.

23 Apr 2010, 17:06	#151
suzieq Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2008 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,319	Well, as the mods go over the details and discuss within the group, they will actually have the final say because Meat isn't above the rules right now and doesn't have the "say" some of us wish him to have. Be it final or otherwise. Emotions are very high on topic. But now a solution must be derived all the while preserving Meat's public image.

23 Apr 2010, 19:08	#152
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	sorry Suzie, i really like you and your posts, but you cannot seriously suggest Meat's opinions aren't taken into consideration and he doesn't have a sizeable say. Having met R on several occasions and witnessing Meat with him before too, i would seriously doubt Meat feels he isn't being treated as he should. As he said himself, it went too far and should have been taken down. There is absolutely no good purpose for those posts to remain, for Meat's own sake they shouldn't have stayed and i do believe he sees that. Emotions are very high but i don't understand why, he makes the posts, he calls people out like he should be able to, but once it starts to turn bad and possibly could be used to make him look bad they are deleted, not all censorship is bad, and to suggest that Meat should have free run to me is a little naive. I don't believe he would want it that way, he obviously has no problem with it as he keeps posting here, even after he has posts deleted, it seems to me the people who have the problem are some fans . Don't disregard and disrespect the owner of this site so out of hand, he is as big a fan of Meat as the rest of us, maybe even bigger considering he takes the time to finance and run this site. There is no way this site is intended to censor Meat or hold him back from talking to his fans, and there is definately no way the owner would not listen to Meat should he raise concerns, if that were the case, Meat wouldn't be here and wouldn't hold Rainer in the high regard that he so obviously does. on your last sentence about preserving Meat's public image, i absolutely believe that the deletion of those posts does exactly that. He was able to call the guy out and put him in his place, end of story, the purpose was served, what good reason is there for that to remain around for joe bloggs to stumble upon and misread.

23 Apr 2010, 20:23	#154
suzieq Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2008 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,319	@ Anji your p.m. box is full but I tried to send you this: Anji, I like you too :) I wanted to let you know that I'm giving what you said a serious thinking about...in a good way. Once I gather a cohesive stream of thought about it I will respond on forum. I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring your post or being elusive to discussion. Respectfully, Suzanne

23 Apr 2010, 21:42	#157
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	Agreed Doode.

24 Apr 2010, 01:47	#161
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Me three !! And that also made perfect sense to me .

24 Apr 2010, 07:57	#163
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	Cool post Suzie It is a huge fault of mine that when i quote someone i tend to answer the jist of the thread so for that i apologize. It seems we pretty much agree on the bigger issues and my wording of disrepect was probably ill advised, i just don't think people realise how dedicated he is to Meat. Preventative measures would be great but it has to have a limit, i think a good balance is constantly aimed for, doesn't always work but nothing ever does lol. i don't want to worry if my post is gonna stay up if i say i thought a live show wasnt that great or i just don't like that song.

24 Apr 2010, 11:21	#164
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	Fresh eyes today. I think everyone's vented, I'm good to move on, and I'm out of the thread I think. Time to talk about the album again! Doode.

26 Apr 2010, 03:49	#166
mikeloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2005 Location: England UK Posts: 708	He ignores my PM and post, strange. I often am just asking his advice.

26 Apr 2010, 12:20	#168
mikeloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2005 Location: England UK Posts: 708	Oh yes! how rude was my comment! He must be so busy, but he does read all we PM him. I just had a few very hard days at work and needed boost and he gave me it!!

26 Apr 2010, 18:12	#169
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Mike with all due respect, what is your problem ? Wether you meant it to sound like that or not IDK but that came across as very sarcastic !!

27 Apr 2010, 23:34	#172
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	It's OK .