The F Word In Like A Rose - Page 4

meatfanforlife · 17 Oct 2010, 20:23

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Originally Posted by suzieq

I think you may have been taken advantage of...those versions suck

you may want to file a complaint to whoever robbed you of your coin.

*laugh* best post so far today :)

Sarge · 17 Oct 2010, 20:25

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Originally Posted by Dave

Why not? Have you ever seen a Meat Loaf concert in the American Midwest with the punk kids with multicolored mohawks pseudo-moshing and the audiences crushed up against the stage barriers for the entire show rockin' out like they were at a real rock show?

What does this have to do with the Patrick concept? I'm younger than the majority of Meat Loaf fans but I don't go to his shows because of that. There are dozens of other reasons that are way more appealing that make be buy concert tickets. Ask the "punk kids" why they go to see Meat Loaf, I'm curious about how many will say: "Oh, it's because of Patrick, the hard-working, plain-speaking blue-collar guy."

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 20:25

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Originally Posted by Steve6

When you have to resort to using bad language in songs, it shows you have a very limited vocabulary, and you're a poor lyricist.

I would highly disagree with this statement. Sometimes an f-bomb is a very clever way of portraying a thought.

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 20:30

Is the F-word in Like A Rose a clever way of portraying a thought? I don't think it is, and achieves nothing that could not also be achieved by other words other than a failed attempt at shock value.

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 20:38

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

I can't think of another time when Meat has pieced together an album with so many pre-existing songs.

Hummmm.......

I'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)" (duet with Lorraine Crosby) - New Song
Life Is a Lemon and I Want My Money Back - New Song
Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through - Recycled effort from Jim Steinman's solo album
It Just Won't Quit - Recycled effort from Pandora's Box album
Out of the Frying Pan (And into the Fire) - Recycled effort from Jim Steinman's solo album
Objects in the Rear View Mirror May Appear Closer than They Are - New Song (Recycled piano riff from Surf's Up)
Wasted Youth" (monologue by Jim Steinman) - Recycled effort from Jim Steinman's solo album
Everything Louder than Everything Else - New Song
Good Girls Go to Heaven (Bad Girls Go Everywhere) - Recycled effort from Pandora's Box album
Back Into Hell" (instrumental) - New Song
Lost Boys and Golden Girls - Recycled effort from Jim Steinman's solo album

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 20:42

Actually Anything For Love was made up from three already existing pieces Steinman had and Everything Louder and/or Lemon MAY be left overs from the Def Leppard thingy.

Wario · 17 Oct 2010, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Actually Anything For Love was made up from three already existing pieces Steinman had and Everything Louder and/or Lemon MAY be left overs from the Def Leppard thingy.

couldnt have been lemon. lemon was 100% new. Meat said during recording on the bat 2 picture that he told Jim that they needed a rocker. and Meat and some guy came up with the riff and jim built off of that (not quoted 100%)

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Why did I pay money for Rick Brantley's CDs then? Why are they available in online stores?

I have read Rick Brantley tweet that he is currently working on music for his first "real release" - I believe the prior EP's were demos to have on the market and to have an additional product to sell in conjunction with his live shows. With a lot of Indie Music artists, they will release product in demo form to provide product for a willing artist. It is part of the modern music business. You can look no further than Meat Loaf's daughter to see this in action - she released Broken Thorny Crown then went on to release Immaculate Little White Fox - calling Immaculate Little White Fox her first real release. Further, Fox does include some re-vamped songs from the original Thorny Crown material.

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Sarge

What does this have to do with the Patrick concept? I'm younger than the majority of Meat Loaf fans but I don't go to his shows because of that. There are dozens of other reasons that are way more appealing that make be buy concert tickets. Ask the "punk kids" why they go to see Meat Loaf, I'm curious about how many will say: "Oh, it's because of Patrick, the hard-working, plain-speaking blue-collar guy."

They pay their money to go see Meat Loaf because as a live act he flat out fukcing rocks and they can dig it. As for why Meat is hung up on the Patrick character, who knows? I could give jack sh!t if I never hear the name Patrick again, but I do like the gritty and raw textures included in the serving of Meat Loaf we were offered with this new album. That's all that matters to me. People who go to his shows that are concerned with how he is dressed - I don't get it, but then again there is a nauseating thread on this forum where people drool and spew sexual connotation over photographs of Meat as well. Yes, I think Patti Russo is pretty damned hot, but sexualizing and materializing that cheapens my appreciation of her amazing voice, so I do not focus on it. Brittany Spears causes my ears to bleed, but she does look mightily good in a bikini and a huge snake around her neck, so I can buy into her in that aspect.

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 20:55

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

couldnt have been lemon. lemon was 100% new. Meat said during recording on the bat 2 picture that he told Jim that they needed a rocker. and Meat and some guy came up with the riff and jim built off of that (not quoted 100%)

I thought Meat suggested a rocker and then Jim went off with a guitarist and came up with a riff? If so then who knows?

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Actually Anything For Love was made up from three already existing pieces Steinman had and Everything Louder and/or Lemon MAY be left overs from the Def Leppard thingy.

Then why did he record Bat 2?

Wario · 17 Oct 2010, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I thought Meat suggested a rocker and then Jim went off with a guitarist and came up with a riff? If so then who knows?

yea thats what i meant ha. my bad

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 20:57

Money and so he didn't end up a 'one hit wonder' I would hazard a guess.

Wario · 17 Oct 2010, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Money and so he didn't end up a 'one hit wonder' I would hazard a guess.

he wasnt a one hit wonder even in 1993 when 2 outta three, paradise, and took the words were popular

Evil One · 17 Oct 2010, 20:59

Albumwise. You know what I meant!

Wario · 17 Oct 2010, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Albumwise. You know what I meant!

actually i didn't. i thought you were still referring to AFL ...

Sarge · 17 Oct 2010, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Dave

I have read Rick Brantley tweet that he is currently working on music for his first "real release" - I believe the prior EP's were demos to have on the market and to have an additional product to sell in conjunction with his live shows.

Something that's available on the market for money is a release, in my opinion, regardless of whether it's a single, an EP or a LP.

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Something that's available on the market for money is a release, in my opinion, regardless of whether it's a single, an EP or a LP.

Well yeah! I didn't say I agreed with it. I just presented the facts.

Dave · 17 Oct 2010, 21:09

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

actually i didn't. i thought you were still referring to AFL ...

So did I??

Pudding · 17 Oct 2010, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Actually Anything For Love was made up from three already existing pieces Steinman had

Which three pieces would those be?

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Originally Posted by Evil One

and Everything Louder and/or Lemon MAY be left overs from the Def Leppard thingy.

Where did you hear that nugget of nonsense from?

mikeloaf · 17 Oct 2010, 23:09

Has to be a ~~~~!

Elijah's way · 17 Oct 2010, 23:43

I'm surprised this poll/thread didn't get closed!!!

Wario · 18 Oct 2010, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Elijah's way

I'm surprised this poll/thread didn't get closed!!!

why? there havent been any personal attacks and its been on topic.

debates happen on forums

carole · 18 Oct 2010, 00:11

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Originally Posted by CarylB

Not really as far as I'm concerned. The songs don't offend me in the least. As I've said before I'm a follower of Meat .. I just enjoy hearing his voice and passion. An added bonus with Meat for me is you can actually HEAR the lyrics, and these are both fine by me.

LAR is a catchy, up tempo and amusing song, and it worries me not in the least that the F word is used in the context I hear it in ... ie "screw you over"... and I find nothing whatsoever offensive about the phrase used in California either .. Perhaps a little (but not that much today) outrageous, but then that's what I enjoy about Meat. He doesn't just take easy listening options. It's in-your-face rock, and I love it

Caryl

I feel the same way, I just love listening to Meat, hearing his passion when he sings songs and makes them his own. I interpret it that way too, he's saying screw you over, rather than referring to sex. It's that in your face rock that I love too.

Carole

carole · 18 Oct 2010, 00:16

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Originally Posted by suzieq

So about these jackets/suits: Meat has worn the Red and Blue jackets only in the Los Angeloser vid and the red one only in the back end of his live show. Current TV appearances he has on the black vest with the bling and I don't think this should be lumped into the Red and Blue jacket opinion. It's not like the man walks around in public with his stage persona on.

So let's be Meat's wardrobe coordinator now, what would you suggest he wear and when? Use paperdolls if you must.

I love what Meat wears on stage, always have done. Don't know why some people seem to have a problem with it.

Carole

View Poll Results: Do you like how the F word is used in Like A Rose?
Yes	43	81.13%
No	4	7.55%
I dont like the song. I couldn't care less	6	11.32%
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17 Oct 2010, 20:30	#79
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	Is the F-word in Like A Rose a clever way of portraying a thought? I don't think it is, and achieves nothing that could not also be achieved by other words other than a failed attempt at shock value.

17 Oct 2010, 20:42	#81
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	Actually Anything For Love was made up from three already existing pieces Steinman had and Everything Louder and/or Lemon MAY be left overs from the Def Leppard thingy.

17 Oct 2010, 20:57	#88
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	Money and so he didn't end up a 'one hit wonder' I would hazard a guess.

17 Oct 2010, 20:59	#90
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	Albumwise. You know what I meant!

17 Oct 2010, 23:09	#96
mikeloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2005 Location: England UK Posts: 708	Has to be a ~~~~!

17 Oct 2010, 23:43	#97
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	I'm surprised this poll/thread didn't get closed!!!