Frying Pan to Lemon (Omit Bat?) - Page 3

**RadioMaster** · 05 Jun 2008, 16:27

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

The reason Meat has got to do classics like Bat and Paradise is for people who are going to see him for the first time.

Let's not be selfish about the set list here, when was the first time you saw Meat live?

First time I got to see him was 2002 (very late start to going to shows

) and how would I feel if I didn't get to see him play Bat just once?

How many people went to see him for the first time, say, on the Welcome To The Neighborhood tour?

Bat Out Of Hell was released what? 22 years years before WTTN? So why did he have to perform it then?

I think one of the guys I know who's been going to ML shows longer than most folks is Andy, and if i'm correct he saw Meat for the first time in 84 on the Bad Attitude tour.

That's a whole 7 years after Bat was released, so why should he still perform it?

If Meat didn't continue to play some of his standard classics for many years, I don't think many people on this forum would have had the opportunity to hear it live.

Hands up those who were at a Meat Loaf concert in 77/78?

Because by the rationelle of dropping classics, you wouldn't have seen Bat performed if you hadn't been to those shows.

Even if you did think Bat was getting stale (or even Paradise) could you deny fans being able to see these songs sung for themselves

BUT you forget one thing: If, let's say, BOOH wasnt played, and you went to a ML concert the first, and maybe only, time: then YOU as a die hard fan would be disappointed.
But the usual concert goer, who visits a Meat Loaf concet only once,isnt as much a die hard fan as you are. So rather then complaining not to hear Bat, they'll be happy to have heard AFL, Paradise, etc once live.

I went to see Barclay James Harvest a few years ago, and amongst their greatest hits they didnt play Child of the Universe, which I was really looking forward to. But I wasnt disappointed at the end, cause I got to hear, Life is for living, Hymn, Mockingbird, ...

IF I would have been a die hard BJH fan, with only one oportunity to see their show, I of course would have been disappointed, but like 95% of the audience i was just a casual concert goer, and I predict that it's the same with 95% of the ML audience: they wont be disappointed if theres some rotation and maybe one or two staples are left out, as long as there are still enough other great songs, with maybe one or two other staples everyone knows by heart, to enjoy.

AndrewG · 05 Jun 2008, 16:48

That sounds rather dodgy somehow "die hard BJH fan".

**The Flying Mouse** · 05 Jun 2008, 16:49

Yet I was talking to someone who saw him on the 3 Bats tour who said that all the classic stuff was great, but then he sang all this crap they didn't know

Album tracks are fine for the die hard fans who have all the albums, but many people who profess to love Meat Loaf have never heard of Surf's Up, Left In The Dark, I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back.
To people who don't know them, them might as well be brand new (i.e. Just songs they don't know).
I think a lot of people do go to ML shows because the opportunity comes up to see someone they've listened to for years, so they take it.

I'm not exactly a massive Springsteen fan, and if I went to a concert because the opportunity came up, and he didn't sing songs I know, it'd be a pretty pointless experience in comparison with my expectations

LucyK! · 05 Jun 2008, 16:52

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Yet I was talking to someone who saw him on the 3 Bats tour who said that all the classic stuff was great, but then he sang all this crap they didn't know

That was (I thought) definitely a problem last year. For 'us lot' it was great to see Paradise moved to the start of the concert for it to then run pretty much in album order, but from the interval onwards more than half of the arena didn't have a clue what they were listening to, perhaps with the exception of All Coming Back, which let's face it is more than likely because of the Celine Dion version. If Meat hadn't done Bat at the end of those shows he'd have been stuffed, as the vast majority didn't know anything from Bat III

Steingirl · 05 Jun 2008, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Renegade Angel

I wouldn't be suprised to see a similar set list to the last tour. Im thinking a lot of duets will be involved with Patti being back so expect Paradise, Deadringer, IDAFL, I'd lie for you and Its all coming back to me now.

I'm taking my little niece to her first Meat show and she loves the duets, so I hope Meat and Patti perform all the songs listed above. However, I doubt that Meat and Patti will perform "It's All Coming Back" together, but I agree with those who said it would be great to hear "What About Love" live. Also, would be great to hear CHSIB again. I hope they do make the most of Patti's return and perform a lot of duets on this tour.

samurai7 · 05 Jun 2008, 17:51

put it this way; if I didn't do AFL, Took The Words, 2oo3, Paradise, Dead Ringer and Bat, I wouldn't get out of the venue alive! The other songs can be substituted, but these six MUST stay. I do always do Lemon and All Revved Up as well, and more often than not I do Heaven Can Wait too, but these are the ones people come to hear.

I'd imagine it'd be the same for Meat - these are the songs that have stood the test of time and become firm favourites. To not hear them at a concert would be wrong. I've seen many big acts who've left out their greatest hits, thinking that they've become bigger than the songs, which is a gross mistake in my book. Without those songs, you'd be playing to an empty auditorium. End of story.

Deb · 05 Jun 2008, 18:27

Which show are you taking your neice to Steingirl? You should come and say hi to us all at which ever it is

I'd also like to see a lot of duets on this tour now Patti's back

Steingirl · 05 Jun 2008, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Deb

Which show are you taking your neice to Steingirl? You should come and say hi to us all at which ever it is

I'd also like to see a lot of duets on this tour now Patti's back

I'm taking her to the London show in August. Would be so great to meet you all. I'm thinking about taking her to the Plymouth show too, so she can see Patti's return for the first time. She's a HUGE Patti fan. She refused to go to the Bat III show with me because Patti wasn't there. Now that Patti's back, she and all her little friends are begging me to take them.

**RadioMaster** · 05 Jun 2008, 21:10

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Yet I was talking to someone who saw him on the 3 Bats tour who said that all the classic stuff was great, but then he sang all this crap they didn't know

Album tracks are fine for the die hard fans who have all the albums, but many people who profess to love Meat Loaf have never heard of Surf's Up, Left In The Dark, I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back.
To people who don't know them, them might as well be brand new (i.e. Just songs they don't know).
I think a lot of people do go to ML shows because the opportunity comes up to see someone they've listened to for years, so they take it.

I'm not exactly a massive Springsteen fan, and if I went to a concert because the opportunity came up, and he didn't sing songs I know, it'd be a pretty pointless experience in comparison with my expectations

Definitely true, but this is not a black or white thing. You CAN drop some staples in favour of rarer (sp?) songs, as long as you keep some other ones.

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Originally Posted by samurai7

put it this way; if I didn't do AFL, Took The Words, 2oo3, Paradise, Dead Ringer and Bat, I wouldn't get out of the venue alive! The other songs can be substituted, but these six MUST stay. I do always do Lemon and All Revved Up as well, and more often than not I do Heaven Can Wait too, but these are the ones people come to hear.

I'd imagine it'd be the same for Meat - these are the songs that have stood the test of time and become firm favourites. To not hear them at a concert would be wrong. I've seen many big acts who've left out their greatest hits, thinking that they've become bigger than the songs, which is a gross mistake in my book. Without those songs, you'd be playing to an empty auditorium. End of story.

I think there's a difference.
People come to your shows to hear the songs they know, because youre not a famous rockstar (no offence

). so the songs are the stars of the night. If they go to see ML it might be a similar situation, but not entirely. The fact the see the Loaf as a big rock star on stage (no matter if you know the songs or not) might be more important then you think.
It's a 50:50 thing I'd say, half songs and half rock star.

Deb · 05 Jun 2008, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Steingirl

I'm taking her to the London show in August. Would be so great to meet you all. I'm thinking about taking her to the Plymouth show too, so she can see Patti's return for the first time. She's a HUGE Patti fan. She refused to go to the Bat III show with me because Patti wasn't there. Now that Patti's back, she and all her little friends are begging me to take them.

Plymouth would be good

But a long trek. How far do you live from Plymouth? I'm sure she'd love to see her twice

Steingirl · 05 Jun 2008, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Deb

Plymouth would be good

But a long trek. How far do you live from Plymouth? I'm sure she'd love to see her twice

I'm in London. Plymouth would be a long trek, especially with three 12-year-olds (and counting). I'll probably end up going to all the UK dates at this rate. lol

Sarge · 05 Jun 2008, 22:50

Okay, some people would leave a concert if a few classics were omitted, I'd probably run away if a show consisted predominantly of "greatest hits". Regardless of the artist and no matter if I was a die-hard fan or just an occasional listener. I am curious and I like surprises. I hate dull repetition. I have refrained from buying concert tickets in some cases, because some of the artists I used to admire have turned their performances into boring routine, resting on their laurels.

I don't want to get the impression that I'm listening to some "greatest hits" or "best of" album. Unfortunately, a part of the audience expects concerts to be like that. I pity them. I witnessed numerous people leaving a Springsteen show because he did not kick off with one of his popular songs. Well, the people who left missed one of the greatest rock concerts ever. I wonder what kind of relationship to music they actually have. I discovered a lot of amazing music because artists used live shows in order to present little-known material, too. Sometimes "unknown" songs are even better than the so-called "classics" and "greatest hits".

When I went to my first Meat Loaf concert, I owned one of his LPs only, I did not know most of his tunes. But the guy caught me with each and every song that night and obviously the majority of the audience felt the same. No one complained about anything. It was the brilliant, dedicated performance that mattered, not the setlist.

I was very pleased about I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us being put on the setlist last year. I had never heard it live before and at that time it impressed me more than any Bat song.

I'd favor a balanced mixture of hits and songs that are not that popular.

Deb · 05 Jun 2008, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Steingirl

I'm in London. Plymouth would be a long trek, especially with three 12-year-olds (and counting). I'll probably end up going to all the UK dates at this rate. lol

Join the club lol

Evil One · 06 Jun 2008, 17:53

There needs to be some sort of balance. I'm sure everyone would be happy if the setlist had

Bat
Paradise
Took The Words
Revved Up / Two Out Of Three
Dead Ringer
Anything For Love

and then 6 or so different songs.

The problem is the other songs always seem to be

Lemon
Frying Pan
Mercury
Break It
Black Betty

Michael Marxen · 06 Jun 2008, 19:25

FRYING PAN is the most outstanding live song ever to me!

Hopefully Meat keeps it in!

geordieloaf · 06 Jun 2008, 19:45

I guess it will come down to the song's he's most comfortable doing. I would think couldn't have said it better will return, and maybe he will try something different from the dead ringer album.

Wario · 06 Jun 2008, 20:49

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Originally Posted by geordieloaf

I guess it will come down to the song's he's most comfortable doing. I would think couldn't have said it better will return, and maybe he will try something different from the dead ringer album.

He has said CHSIB was one of his favorite to preform on the MSO dvd commentary.

24K · 08 Jun 2008, 18:37

I would love to hear Surfs Up, Read Em and Weep, CHSIB, ILFY, Deadringer, WAYD, WAL,BAAB,KYIYDCB, could do without Lemon and RNRDreams.
However would like to see Frying Pan left in, and would always want to hear BOOH.
I am really happy Patti is back, i would love to hear a few duets with her and Meat.
Just a few surprises would be nice, i really couldn't say my ideal setlist as i change me mind constantly!!!

Pudding · 09 Jun 2008, 05:28

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Originally Posted by 24K

I would love to hear Surfs Up, Read Em and Weep, CHSIB, ILFY, Deadringer, WAYD, WAL,BAAB,KYIYDCB

Absolutely

it'll never happen though

Pud

tonyloaf · 09 Jun 2008, 14:00

id love blind as a bat to be in there, i loved it in may its a real belter!! and very powerfull (dont think it will be included tho)

duke knooby · 09 Jun 2008, 18:08

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Originally Posted by tonyloaf

id love blind as a bat to be in there, i loved it in may its a real belter!! and very powerfull (dont think it will be included tho)

ya never know... i never expected Land of the Pig to be on the set list... but it was, and it was amazing, so ya just never know, lol.. keep believing and it might happen!!

tonyloaf · 11 Jun 2008, 19:16

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Originally Posted by duke knooby

ya never know... i never expected Land of the Pig to be on the set list... but it was, and it was amazing, so ya just never know, lol.. keep believing and it might happen!!

i plan to, really liked the song on tour in may, id love objects to be there to but i think that will be put away for a bit now untill the time is right again

05 Jun 2008, 16:48	#52
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,084	That sounds rather dodgy somehow "die hard BJH fan".

05 Jun 2008, 16:49	#53
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Yet I was talking to someone who saw him on the 3 Bats tour who said that all the classic stuff was great, but then he sang all this crap they didn't know Album tracks are fine for the die hard fans who have all the albums, but many people who profess to love Meat Loaf have never heard of Surf's Up, Left In The Dark, I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back. To people who don't know them, them might as well be brand new (i.e. Just songs they don't know). I think a lot of people do go to ML shows because the opportunity comes up to see someone they've listened to for years, so they take it. I'm not exactly a massive Springsteen fan, and if I went to a concert because the opportunity came up, and he didn't sing songs I know, it'd be a pretty pointless experience in comparison with my expectations

05 Jun 2008, 17:51	#56
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	put it this way; if I didn't do AFL, Took The Words, 2oo3, Paradise, Dead Ringer and Bat, I wouldn't get out of the venue alive! The other songs can be substituted, but these six MUST stay. I do always do Lemon and All Revved Up as well, and more often than not I do Heaven Can Wait too, but these are the ones people come to hear. I'd imagine it'd be the same for Meat - these are the songs that have stood the test of time and become firm favourites. To not hear them at a concert would be wrong. I've seen many big acts who've left out their greatest hits, thinking that they've become bigger than the songs, which is a gross mistake in my book. Without those songs, you'd be playing to an empty auditorium. End of story.

05 Jun 2008, 18:27	#57
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Which show are you taking your neice to Steingirl? You should come and say hi to us all at which ever it is I'd also like to see a lot of duets on this tour now Patti's back

05 Jun 2008, 22:50	#62
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	Okay, some people would leave a concert if a few classics were omitted, I'd probably run away if a show consisted predominantly of "greatest hits". Regardless of the artist and no matter if I was a die-hard fan or just an occasional listener. I am curious and I like surprises. I hate dull repetition. I have refrained from buying concert tickets in some cases, because some of the artists I used to admire have turned their performances into boring routine, resting on their laurels. I don't want to get the impression that I'm listening to some "greatest hits" or "best of" album. Unfortunately, a part of the audience expects concerts to be like that. I pity them. I witnessed numerous people leaving a Springsteen show because he did not kick off with one of his popular songs. Well, the people who left missed one of the greatest rock concerts ever. I wonder what kind of relationship to music they actually have. I discovered a lot of amazing music because artists used live shows in order to present little-known material, too. Sometimes "unknown" songs are even better than the so-called "classics" and "greatest hits". When I went to my first Meat Loaf concert, I owned one of his LPs only, I did not know most of his tunes. But the guy caught me with each and every song that night and obviously the majority of the audience felt the same. No one complained about anything. It was the brilliant, dedicated performance that mattered, not the setlist. I was very pleased about I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us being put on the setlist last year. I had never heard it live before and at that time it impressed me more than any Bat song. I'd favor a balanced mixture of hits and songs that are not that popular.

06 Jun 2008, 17:53	#64
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,194	There needs to be some sort of balance. I'm sure everyone would be happy if the setlist had Bat Paradise Took The Words Revved Up / Two Out Of Three Dead Ringer Anything For Love and then 6 or so different songs. The problem is the other songs always seem to be Lemon Frying Pan Mercury Break It Black Betty

06 Jun 2008, 19:25	#65
Michael Marxen Super Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 356	FRYING PAN is the most outstanding live song ever to me! Hopefully Meat keeps it in!

06 Jun 2008, 19:45	#66
geordieloaf Can't You See My Faded Geordie Jeans Bursting Apart Join Date: 25.10.2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,360	I guess it will come down to the song's he's most comfortable doing. I would think couldn't have said it better will return, and maybe he will try something different from the dead ringer album.

08 Jun 2008, 18:37	#68
24K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2003 Location: WAY UP NORTH Posts: 1,923	I would love to hear Surfs Up, Read Em and Weep, CHSIB, ILFY, Deadringer, WAYD, WAL,BAAB,KYIYDCB, could do without Lemon and RNRDreams. However would like to see Frying Pan left in, and would always want to hear BOOH. I am really happy Patti is back, i would love to hear a few duets with her and Meat. Just a few surprises would be nice, i really couldn't say my ideal setlist as i change me mind constantly!!!

09 Jun 2008, 14:00	#70
tonyloaf Metal Head Join Date: 15.05.2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 2,400	id love blind as a bat to be in there, i loved it in may its a real belter!! and very powerfull (dont think it will be included tho)