Congratulations UK!

[roomster]

Congratulations with the EU-exit!

Let's hope other EU-countries gradually will follow you...

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by roomster

Congratulations with the EU-exit!

Let's hope other EU-countries gradually will follow you...

Thank you very much my fellow European.
Now to educate the young people of this country that Europe did and can again exist without the EU and you can still travel and work where you want.

Other countries might well follow. Independent Dutch poll put Netherlands at 54% for leave earlier this week.

The BBC coverage was funny this morning with a woman demanding the resignation of Juncker and Shulz. Lol.

[ashkent7]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Thank you very much my fellow European.
Now to educate the young people of this country that Europe did and can again exist without the EU and you can still travel and work where you want.

Other countries might well follow. Independent Dutch poll put Netherlands at 54% for leave earlier this week.

The BBC coverage was funny this morning with a woman demanding the resignation of Juncker and Shulz. Lol.

Now however we just need to hope that with all the backtracking/truths etc that have come out this morning that it IS a case of being braver than we are and not the future just ain't what it used to be.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by ashkent7

Now however we just need to hope that with all the backtracking/truths etc that have come out this morning that it IS a case of being braver than we are and not the future just ain't what it used to be.

To be honest I was surprised that only now that the BBC were interviewing some people in Brussels and they were explaining exactly what the EU is. Many just don't understand it. There are 50.000 people who work at the EU buildings in Brussels and Luxemburg, 10K of them get paid more than our own prime minister. This was not really pushed or even exposed in either campaign except for information on the internet. There is much more at stake than £10 billion per year and immigration control. Democratically voting away your democratic voice and rights to change a government is really silly and has happened before in history and had terrible outcomes. I'm glad we didn't do that.

[Monstro]

~~~~~~ this place was my place to go to avoid this, so much rubbish hype everywhere about it

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Monstro

~~~~~~ this place was my place to go to avoid this, so much rubbish hype everywhere about it

Makes up for the Wario hype has gone thread.

[Wario]

im gonna stay outta politics and this thread

but congrats!

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Wario

im gonna stay outta politics and this thread

but congrats!

Well if you want random insults flying left, right and center hurled towards you then you can always go on Twitter and join the political debates.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Well if you want random insults flying left, right and center hurled towards you then you can always go on Twitter and join the political debates.

YouTube works as well

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Wario

YouTube works as well

That's very true and usually those insults are even more random.
Maybe there should be an age test on these sites before they let you comment.

"Sorry, currently you appear to have the mental age of a 3 year old and you cannot leave comments. Please try again in 15 years time."

[Adje]

I suspect that frustration has clouded many minds. It won't get any better for the Britts. More expensive, yes. Maybe they will benefit from it on a long term, nobody knows, but not for the next few years. Still I wish good luck to them all

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Adje

I suspect that frustration has clouded many minds. It won't get any better for the Britts. More expensive, yes. Maybe they will benefit from it on a long term, nobody knows, but not for the next few years. Still I wish good luck to them all

A lot of misinformation has clouded many younger minds too who do not appear to grasp the difference between the EU and Europe. I believe bad education, propaganda and indoctrination is to blame there. The EU in its current form has only properly been going since the mid nineties and its biggest experiment, fiscal union through single currency has been a total disaster for Greece and Spain. This was not overlooked in my own judgement.

The UK should indeed pay more for certain things (as a percentage of income), such as healthcare. We rank much lower than Germany and The Netherlands. And we should pay less for shoebox properties and rail fares. The Netherlands has decent rail fare system. We have a terrible supply and demand one were you take one train stop further and can end up paying double the rail fare. The EU was not helping with such important matters in my opinion. Just longing for that one extra bureaucratic layer to come along and everything will be fine didn't seem to be helping us, nor people in other countries.

That's what I made from things anyway + a lot of other thought and philosophy about big government, taxes and who has the right to cast a vote etc.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Adje

I suspect that frustration has clouded many minds. It won't get any better for the Britts. More expensive, yes. Maybe they will benefit from it on a long term, nobody knows, but not for the next few years. Still I wish good luck to them all

Maybe .. and frankly we're going to need it imo

Originally Posted by AndrewG

A lot of misinformation has clouded many younger minds too who do not appear to grasp the difference between the EU and Europe.

Google reports a massive surge in Britons searching on what the EU is .. the day after voting! And I don't think it's just younger minds that are hazy Far too much hype and rhetoric (on both sides) swallowed along with tabloid and FB headlines. Can't help thinking that many decisions were made not on being in or out of the EU per se, but on generally being pissed off at the government, housing shortages, NHS waiting lists, immigration, and an optimistic but ill-founded belief that the exchequer's coffers will almost instantly be awash with billions of pounds that a caring government will use to solve all of these.

See those pigs flying by?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ign_type=Email

[chairboys]

My decision was vindicated the moment Angela Merkel said today that the British were disappointed with the "European integration process".

[Adje]

Well on a personal note. It's interesting for me to order stuff from the UK now that that the Pound is dropping as hard as the Niagra Waterfalls Hope this lasts till, let's say September 16?

[melon]

Originally Posted by Adje

Well on a personal note. It's interesting for me to order stuff from the UK now that that the Pound is dropping as hard as the Niagra Waterfalls Hope this lasts till, let's say September 16?

Not so much for me, Aussie dollar is affected too

[Guy]

A 'poll' I read in the news indicated 18-24 year olds voting remain was around 70%
Around 10 million didnt vote. Are we disappointed with them too?

[ashkent7]

Originally Posted by Guy

A 'poll' I read in the news indicated 18-24 year olds voting remain was around 70%
Around 10 million didnt vote. Are we disappointed with them too?

I think the figures are quite larger than that. It was something like 35 million votes that were accepted and verified, and considering there are around 55 million voters in the UK...

To me it was simple...there shouldn't have been "campaigns" on either side, because that just leads to two sides trying to get one over on the other by telling things that aid their cause. And it should have been a compulsory vote if they wanted to avoid this whole scenario of a low turn out in certain areas.

In the end, leaving may turn out for the best, but that to me will be a long way away and it is more a case of how bad things get before we get there. Considering there seems to be more and more "issues" with the leave campaign's "facts", who knows if there will even be a change for the better in the things most people voted for.

But, at the moment, I do work online that i get paid in dollars for, so my pay just went up by around 5%. I just feel for those small businesses who import from abroad and have suddenly found their overheads going up.

In all honesty from my point of view the whole thing is one massive mess at the minute and the country is starting to look like a bit of a joke to the rest of the world with petitions to change the result, and people publically saying they voted just for the sake of it without knowing what they were voting for. Makes us look weak, dumb and not exactly the type of country who can make any kind of valid claim that they can "make it" on their own.

Hopefully the people who matter can pull their heads out their asses sooner rather than later.

Ok...no more politics for me...someone bring me a guitar to smash against the wall!

[duke knooby]

do you think david cameron is going to win the charlemagne prize this year?

i don't think so

i do think it was incredibly arrogant and stupid of the government not to appear to have prepared for an exit plan.

luckily others have a ready made market solution prepared

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Guy

A 'poll' I read in the news indicated 18-24 year olds voting remain was around 70%
Around 10 million didnt vote. Are we disappointed with them too?

In my opinion the vote should start at the age of 25.

Originally government was setup so that taxes could be collected and spent on public projects which eventually included a welfare state. As a tax payer you then have the democratic right to determine what your tax is spent on, so we have political parties and members of governments etc to sort this out. As youngsters (who we now encourage to go to school and study into early twenties if possible) not paying tax yet, I thus fail to see why they should have any mandate because of the lack of knowledge and financial contribution. This simple bit of history/information about government was not even taught clearly at my high school. History lessons were in fact atrocious when I look back (I was educated at VWO in Netherlands which you needed at the time to get into university). It was all about kings and queens from the Middle Ages and nothing about history of democracy, philosophy, art, geography/country borders or recent war or anything as such. I hope it is not the same now in UK schools.
Many young people I reckon simply do not know that the EU is a very recent project derived from trade, to prevent another war with Germany and only includes just over 50% of the countries located in Europe, and has 5 presidents, most of which are very bad at speaking English.
Yes I think a common language is important. After all we communicate in English too on this forum and reckon most of the people from abroad on here speak and write far better English than those guys who earn €100.000s per year and can't even be bothered to take some English lessons.

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Many young people I reckon simply do not know that the EU is a very recent project derived from trade, to prevent another war with Germany

when i was in primary school it was the eec, and back then trade didn't require political union lol

[AndrewG]

Stupid artists at Glastonbury using their time to perform to say "democracy has failed us". First of all democracy doesn't fail anyone if the result of a vote goes the opposite way of what you wanted. You just lost, it didn't fail you. Do you really want to be ruled by someone without democracy? When was the last international music festival in North Korea? Secondly many wanted to be at a festival instead of ensuring they could exercise their democratic right to vote (I doubt very much all who were there Thursday registered for a postal vote). Thirdly, sometimes mum & dad do know best. Finally Glastonbury mostly seems like a pile of overpriced crap and glad I didn't go.

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Do you really want to be ruled by someone without democracy? When was the last international music festival in North Korea?

My mum and brother recently returned from a week's holiday in North Korea. Yes, it's true!
But, when I questioned whether they would go back they both said no. Why? Because they enjoyed it so much a second visit wouldn't come close to their initial visit.
The people were polite, the history and culture of the place was fascinating and the food and drink excellent.
However, my mum's enduring memory is their love of music. They saw song and dance shows of such colour and vibrancy. It may not have been Glasto but they do know how to rock!
On a trip to a newly opened science block in the capital my brother chatted to a Korean lad who was watching a Barcelona game on the internet. The boy was very knowledgeable on world football. His favourite player was Jamie Vardy!
The only disappointing aspect was the official merchandise. The X-large t-shirt I received as a momento is now a kiddies top after one wash.

[Adje]

So, when they said they wanted out of Europe they weren't joking

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by Adje

So, when they said they wanted out of Europe they weren't joking

it's contagious!