What could have been...

renegadeangel · 18 Jan 2013, 12:45

To me it seems that every record Meat has done there was a song left off for whatever reason that just makes me wonder why. I don't know if it would have made a huge difference to the album but maybe. Lately a really good example would have to be PRIZE FIGHT LOVER.
Leaving that off HCTB is a mystery. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there were reasons for everything but I have to wonder if they could do it all again if they would stand by that reasoning.
Examples
DEADRINGER Rock and Roll Dreams
MATLAF Lost Love
BAD ATTITUDE Tough one there but maybe the freeway mix of Modern Girl
BBIS No ideas there
BAT 2 Date With Destiny, probably because it was not a Steinman song
CHSIB Either of the B sides were good
Already said HCTB and don't want to talk about BAT 3
HIAHB The full acoustic version of Blue Sky. Definitely a hit

My thoughts anyway

wolfy35 · 18 Jan 2013, 13:57

** Warning personal opinion follows **

Can you not call it Bat3 it is not a bat they just used the name, Bat is Meat & Jim. That album is The Monster Is Loose

Meat was unhappy making TMIL & Desmond Child massacred the Steinman tracks used

LucyK! · 18 Jan 2013, 14:02

We have to call it Bat 3, because that's it's name!

Honestly I don't think the changes mentioned above would have made a massive difference one way or the other. There's definitely some brilliant songs that never made it to the albums (Decadent Wish springs to mind immediately) but I don't think there's any that would have dramatically changed the albums or their individual successes.

Cherry.Loaf · 18 Jan 2013, 14:26

I haven't heard all of them but I adore prize fight lover

Jayd · 18 Jan 2013, 14:27

Its Bat Out Of Hell 3, it says it on the front, no matter what Meat thinks now, its still Bat 3, and it's better than some other of Meats albums, includding imo HIAH

LucyK! · 18 Jan 2013, 14:44

It's a "debate" that I just don't think needs re-opening again. Whether people choose to consider it a Bat album or not is their own choice, but the name is Bat 3 and that's what we have to call it.

Getting back on topic, Take A Number was another one I loved that never made it to an album

Mr. Happy · 18 Jan 2013, 15:07

Prize Fight Lover didn't make the album because Meat felt it was too similar thematically to Living on the Outside, and he felt LOTO was the better song. So that's one less mystery to worry about

I personally think it should have been on the album in place of If I Can't Have You, but oh well. The album still turned out brilliant.

I also think Decadant Wish and Unsaid should have been on Couldn't Have Said It Better in place of You're Right (I Was Wrong) and Because of You. I don't understand how they got the cut while those two didn't

meat_loaf · 18 Jan 2013, 15:11

I really like a man & women which was a part of a compilation album

" Heaven can wait- The Best Ballads Meat Loaf Vol.1 " German import
I'm not too sure if Meat had anything to do with the recording of this album.

szakal88 · 18 Jan 2013, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

To me it seems that every record Meat has done there was a song left off for whatever reason that just makes me wonder why. I don't know if it would have made a huge difference to the album but maybe. Lately a really good example would have to be PRIZE FIGHT LOVER.
Leaving that off HCTB is a mystery. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there were reasons for everything but I have to wonder if they could do it all again if they would stand by that reasoning.
Examples
DEADRINGER Rock and Roll Dreams
MATLAF Lost Love
BAD ATTITUDE Tough one there but maybe the freeway mix of Modern Girl
BBIS No ideas there
BAT 2 Date With Destiny, probably because it was not a Steinman song
CHSIB Either of the B sides were good
Already said HCTB and don't want to talk about BAT 3
HIAHB The full acoustic version of Blue Sky. Definitely a hit

My thoughts anyway

I've never heard about Date With Destiny, do you have any link to youtube with Meat version or at least some good one?

samurai7 · 18 Jan 2013, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by meat_loaf

I really like a man & women which was a part of a compilation album

" Heaven can wait- The Best Ballads Meat Loaf Vol.1 " German import
I'm not too sure if Meat had anything to do with the recording of this album.

Man and a Woman is a track from the album Blind Before I Stop. The CD you're referring to is a cheapo cash-in compilation. There are no exclusive tracks.

Smithie · 18 Jan 2013, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by samurai7

Man and a Woman is a track from the album Blind Before I Stop. The CD you're referring to is a cheapo cash-in compilation. There are no exclusive tracks.

Never heard of this cd. What are the other tracks on the cd?

**The Flying Mouse** · 18 Jan 2013, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucyK!

It's a "debate" that I just don't think needs re-opening again.

Correctamundo

We've been through that one quite a few times.
Weather you wish to call it Bat III or The Monster Is Loose is personal opinion.
Call it what you will, and respect the rights of others to do likewise.

Off the top of my head, I can't really say I think one song alone (unless it's released as a single) has a massive effect on an album.

I think the two B sides from CHSIB are the best songs never to make it onto an album, but I don't believe that CHSIB would have done much better or worse if they replaced some of the songs that made the cut.

**The Flying Mouse** · 18 Jan 2013, 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithie

Never heard of this cd. What are the other tracks on the cd?

Here you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_...at_Loaf_Vol._1

renegadeangel · 18 Jan 2013, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by szakal88

I've never heard about Date With Destiny, do you have any link to youtube with Meat version or at least some good one?

Here is an outstanding version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJdOw92DC-A

Apparently it was being considered for BAT 2 but Jim came up with some more songs. Too bad Meat never recorded it.

Here is the version that could have been on BAT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKt45_OrOBo

szakal88 · 18 Jan 2013, 19:37

Pretty decent song

Dave · 18 Jan 2013, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJdOw92DC-A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKt45_OrOBo

Really? Were they listening to this song while piecing together the epic Prize Fighter Lover?

loaferman61 · 18 Jan 2013, 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

Here is an outstanding version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJdOw92DC-A

Apparently it was being considered for BAT 2 but Jim came up with some more songs. Too bad Meat never recorded it.

Here is the version that could have been on BAT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKt45_OrOBo

Blue Tears made some great songs. Many of them should have been hits.

wolfy35 · 23 Jan 2013, 18:08

I think the true test of any artist is if they can make some amazing albums but still have a catalogue of top class work that never made it to the album for one reason or another.

Fair to say Meat can tick that box with a yes

Smithie · 24 Jan 2013, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Here you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_...at_Loaf_Vol._1

Thanks very much.

18 Jan 2013, 12:45	#1
renegadeangel Super Loafer Join Date: 18.05.2006 Posts: 604	What could have been... To me it seems that every record Meat has done there was a song left off for whatever reason that just makes me wonder why. I don't know if it would have made a huge difference to the album but maybe. Lately a really good example would have to be PRIZE FIGHT LOVER. Leaving that off HCTB is a mystery. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there were reasons for everything but I have to wonder if they could do it all again if they would stand by that reasoning. Examples DEADRINGER Rock and Roll Dreams MATLAF Lost Love BAD ATTITUDE Tough one there but maybe the freeway mix of Modern Girl BBIS No ideas there BAT 2 Date With Destiny, probably because it was not a Steinman song CHSIB Either of the B sides were good Already said HCTB and don't want to talk about BAT 3 HIAHB The full acoustic version of Blue Sky. Definitely a hit My thoughts anyway

18 Jan 2013, 13:57	#2
wolfy35 Dangerous on a full moon Join Date: 14.03.2007 Location: Standing on the outside, Looking in on you Posts: 751	Warning personal opinion follows Can you not call it Bat3 it is not a bat they just used the name, Bat is Meat & Jim. That album is The Monster Is Loose Meat was unhappy making TMIL & Desmond Child massacred the Steinman tracks used

18 Jan 2013, 14:02	#3
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	We have to call it Bat 3, because that's it's name! Honestly I don't think the changes mentioned above would have made a massive difference one way or the other. There's definitely some brilliant songs that never made it to the albums (Decadent Wish springs to mind immediately) but I don't think there's any that would have dramatically changed the albums or their individual successes.

18 Jan 2013, 14:26	#4
Cherry.Loaf Los Angeloser Join Date: 02.04.2010 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,072	I haven't heard all of them but I adore prize fight lover

18 Jan 2013, 14:27	#5
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	Its Bat Out Of Hell 3, it says it on the front, no matter what Meat thinks now, its still Bat 3, and it's better than some other of Meats albums, includding imo HIAH

18 Jan 2013, 14:44	#6
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	It's a "debate" that I just don't think needs re-opening again. Whether people choose to consider it a Bat album or not is their own choice, but the name is Bat 3 and that's what we have to call it. Getting back on topic, Take A Number was another one I loved that never made it to an album

18 Jan 2013, 15:07	#7
Mr. Happy Guest Join Date: 13.02.2010 Location: Posts: 736	Prize Fight Lover didn't make the album because Meat felt it was too similar thematically to Living on the Outside, and he felt LOTO was the better song. So that's one less mystery to worry about I personally think it should have been on the album in place of If I Can't Have You, but oh well. The album still turned out brilliant. I also think Decadant Wish and Unsaid should have been on Couldn't Have Said It Better in place of You're Right (I Was Wrong) and Because of You. I don't understand how they got the cut while those two didn't

18 Jan 2013, 15:11	#8
meat_loaf Man of Steel Hunter of the Beast Join Date: 08.03.2005 Location: united kingdom Posts: 559	I really like a man & women which was a part of a compilation album " Heaven can wait- The Best Ballads Meat Loaf Vol.1 " German import I'm not too sure if Meat had anything to do with the recording of this album.

18 Jan 2013, 19:37	#15
szakal88 Senior Loafer Join Date: 23.09.2005 Location: Legnica Posts: 102	Pretty decent song

23 Jan 2013, 18:08	#18
wolfy35 Dangerous on a full moon Join Date: 14.03.2007 Location: Standing on the outside, Looking in on you Posts: 751	I think the true test of any artist is if they can make some amazing albums but still have a catalogue of top class work that never made it to the album for one reason or another. Fair to say Meat can tick that box with a yes