Concert-One

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Regardless someone in that company made mistakes, so wario is right that the finger of blame be pointed at concert one, or more specifically because i know you're all so picky, at an individual or individuals within that company.

Like Wario, you seem to be pretty sure who to blame although you probably have no idea who the decision makers were. I doubt that Concert One can just produce something without anybody else having a say in the matter. There are various possible reasons for alleged mistakes (mind you, this is mere speculation):

1. That's exactly what they were supposed to do and there were no or only minor objections by other people involved, and that's why it was released. OR
2. They had no exact guidelines what exactly to focus on with regard to the documentary. OR
3. Communication and organization problems among the involved parties. OR
4. They indeed made mistakes but in the end someone decided to release a flawed product anyway, e.g. to avoid delays with regard to release date.
5. Unexpected problems none of the involved parties could foresee or is directly responsible for occured.
etc.

I suppose someone must have hired or given Concert One permission to do that project, so whoever it was supposedly informed themselves about that company in advance and considered them the right people to do the job. So if mistakes have been made, you probably can't blame them on that company only.

Originally Posted by robgomm

And stop being so damn picky over warios words just to have a go at him.

Maybe you should take your own advice and stop being picky yourself just to "have a go" at people whose posts you dislike. No one "has a go" at Wario. Some people just disagree with his opinion and the way he worded it.

Aren't you one of the people who don't get tired of talking about "respect"? If you call a company "shit" (several times in a row) just because their work doesn't meet your expectations (while other people don't seem to have an issue with it) and lay all the blame on them without knowing the background, you should expect other people to disagree with you.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Wario has been talking exclusively about the documentary as you well know. He loves the actual show. You know he's only referring to the documentary so why pick words just to have a go at him?

I don't believe he has Rob. The perceived failings in the documentary were thrown in as 'and another thing'. Read what he says; the only thing that saved the DVD would seem to be Meat and Paul editing it.

When you look at the description of the DVD/CD set on any site it just says bonus documentary. Now excuse me for being stupid but when I see that on a Meat Loaf product I expect to see a LOT of Meat Loaf and his band backstage. Not a load of people who i've never heard or seen before.

I'll understand anyone who happens to be disappointed if they had set expectations on what the content would be, however that does not make a company "shit" or indeed incompetent.

I agree with Sarge who made the point

Originally Posted by Sarge

.... I suppose someone must have hired or given Concert One permission to do that project, so whoever it was supposedly informed themselves about that company in advance and considered them the right people to do the job. So if mistakes have been made, you probably can't blame them on that company only.

No-one knows sufficient about who managed what to fairly describe the company who made a DVD which so many people are delighted with to dismiss them as incompetent and without any real saving grace .. and if you repeatedly call the company "shit" this is exactly what you are doing. So yes, as long as Chris keeps describing the company Meat used to make the DVD in this way, I will continue to disagree with his view and way of expressing it. And warn him that this is not a sound footing for the networking he will need to do if he is to use his current course of study as a basis for a career in the same industry.

No-one has "had a go" at Chris. But if we express a different opinion and he keeps returning with the statement that the company is "shit", he can expect reasoned disagreement surely? No-one has said his view is "bollocks". That would be like dismissing it as if it were "shit" .. and no-one has

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I will continue to disagree with his view and way of expressing it. And warn him that this is not a sound footing for the networking he will need to do if he is to use his current course of study as a basis for a career in the same industry.

He'll pass the interview for the post of muck spreader at the local farm, though.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I don't believe he has Rob. The perceived failings in the documentary were thrown in as 'and another thing'. Read what he says; the only thing that saved the DVD would seem to be Meat and Paul editing it.



I'll understand anyone who happens to be disappointed if they had set expectations on what the content would be, however that does not make a company "shit" or indeed incompetent.

I agree with Sarge who made the point



No-one knows sufficient about who managed what to fairly describe the company who made a DVD which so many people are delighted with to dismiss them as incompetent and without any real saving grace .. and if you repeatedly call the company "shit" this is exactly what you are doing. So yes, as long as Chris keeps describing the company Meat used to make the DVD in this way, I will continue to disagree with his view and way of expressing it. And warn him that this is not a sound footing for the networking he will need to do if he is to use his current course of study as a basis for a career in the same industry.

No-one has "had a go" at Chris. But if we express a different opinion and he keeps returning with the statement that the company is "shit", he can expect reasoned disagreement surely? No-one has said his view is "bollocks". That would be like dismissing it as if it were "shit" .. and no-one has

Exactly Caryl, I do beleive truly the company is terribly. I apologize if im saying stuff as fact, id have thought common sense would be im expressing my opinion.

And youre right the documentary isnt the only thing im lambasting. The production (not of the audio or performance but the picture quality) should have been handled better.

A potentially 15/10 star DVD is sadly deflated front he sad reason mercury blues was omitted to the fact that some of the camera production quality doesnt seem too professional.

Please note I love the DVD to death cause the performance is soo amazing and this DVD is far superior to 3 Bats.

Thanks anyway for your backing though Rob. Its appreciated. But im used to this. noones having a go. With every new meat release, Im bound to make Sarge and Caryl disagree with how I word stuff. Most of the time its a few others too.

its tradition.

Originally Posted by Dave

When were we ever promised Mercury Blues would be included on the DVD? The official set list that was sent around in the press release did not include this track. I would like you to state the source here.

Mercury was promised by meat on this forum inn a response to Elija's Way. he said something along the lines of "mercury's different. You'll love it" or something (too lazy to search for it). then a few months later when the press release came out, he said it was omitted cause of a major problem with the recording of the song (concert-One's fault no doubt. it there was something wrong with the audio thats fixable, you cant fix live video if its fudged up). To make up for their mistake, it just feels like they extended the documentary which utilized needless footage, bad cuts, black frames,color correction, horrible camera audio, too many still photos, and no band member interviews.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Wario has been talking exclusively about the documentary as you well know.

Apparently I did not know this. The subject of this thread is "Concert-One" which is a business that has recently done business with Meat Loaf - not a documentary. Your assumption here is not correct. I did not "well know" this at all.

Originally Posted by robgomm

He loves the actual show. You know he's only referring to the documentary so why pick words just to have a go at him?

Again, I do not "know" this at all. You are wrong in your assumption of what I do and do not know. You have this entirely wrong. I am not picking words to have a go at anyone. I am picking words because I disagree with them. I am focused at the words - not the person.

Originally Posted by robgomm

When you look at the description of the DVD/CD set on any site it just says bonus documentary. Now excuse me for being stupid but when I see that on a Meat Loaf product I expect to see a LOT of Meat Loaf and his band backstage. Not a load of people who i've never heard or seen before.

Maybe I need to wash out the eyeballs, but the documentary I watched had a fair decent amount of Meat Loaf on it. It is not "all Meat Loaf, all the time" but he is on there.

Originally Posted by robgomm

While it was interesting to see and hear from those other people as to what they do in the background, it was at the same time a great disappointment in SO many ways.

To you, the viewer. To me, the viewer, it was not a great disappointment at all. We are both entitled to our opinions. The documentary is what it is. We already had an artist focused documentary created with In Search Of Paradise. This is not that product. I refuse to say the documentary is a disappointment at all.

Originally Posted by robgomm

4. Being so amatuer as to not even use the final audio from the DVD instead of the original audio. If nothing else this little detail shows you how little attention to detail this documentary was given.

A true documentarian attempts to bring to light the subject - unfiltered and unfocused. I would expect the actual concert footage to be raw and uncut, just like I would expect a concert video to be crisp, polished, and even "fixed" if necessary to be a high-quality finished product.

Originally Posted by robgomm

And stop being so damn picky over warios words just to have a go at him. You know he's an emotional guy, give him a little slack eh?

Again, I am focused on his words, which are wrong in my opinion. Concert-One is not a "shit" company just because Wario does not approve of the final product. He has shown blanket disregard for a company and the employees behind the company just because the end product does not meet his approval. I am not attacking anyone here. I am attacking words that people choose to use.

Originally Posted by robgomm

The documentary was made by concert one, it says so at the start. I don't care whose mistakes it was individually, we will never find that out and i wouldn't expect to. Regardless someone in that company made mistakes, so wario is right that the finger of blame be pointed at concert one, or more specifically because i know you're all so picky, at an individual or individuals within that company.

A documentary is fact-based art. Just because you do not approve of the content or quality does not mean "mistakes" were made. Hell fire and damnation, even if Meat Loaf himself said there was a "mistake" in the documentary or something did not happen the way he wanted - that still does not make Concert-One a "shit" company.

The final product was signed off on, releasing it to the world - that's what matters. Just because you do not like what you received, does not mean you can make blanket statements that it is a bad product. Even if we all loathed the very pixels the product was made of - when we popped it into our players and Lady GaGa came out of our speakers and the visual was of a Spice Girls concert...someone, somewhere signed off agreeing Concert-One to produce it and someone somewhere signed off the product was complete and consumer ready. We got Meat Loaf on the speakers and in the picture - just because some do not like what they see/hear does not mean the product is across the board flawed.

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by Wario

A potentially 15/10 star DVD

I love your scoring systems!
Can you confirm that out of a top mark of ten that fifteen is indeed the maximum?

[Wario]

Concert-One produced the documentary. Its in the credits of the documentary. I digress. I just never want meat to work with them again. Would any of you?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by CarylB

No-one has "had a go" at Chris. But if we express a different opinion and he keeps returning with the statement that the company is "shit", he can expect reasoned disagreement surely? No-one has said his view is "bollocks". That would be like dismissing it as if it were "shit" .. and no-one has

Thank you Caryl. Trust me this...if anyone in the entire known universe would know what it is like to have me take "a go" at them, it would be this lady right here. I have always respect Caryl and appreciated the banter. It gets a little heated, but there is intelligence and conviction in the discourse. I hate that we are in a state now where you cannot debate the words people choose to put on the computer screen without being chastised for taking "a go" at the person themselves.

There was a time when I was a "Lost Boy" just like Wario (and I would highly suggest Wario do some research about the Lost Boys of Loafdom and what became of us - it ain't pretty). All Lost Boys grow up and learn to play with the adults. I took my hit and came out a better person. I get where Wario is coming from, I really do. I was there at one point. I was also brought down as well. I respect and appreciate his enthusiasm, but also know that shouting down others opinions and taking the expert opinion will get you no where in this world.

En Vogue said it best.... "free your mind, and the rest will follow..."

Tolerance on all sides and re-reading posts before you click "submit" is always a good thing. I respect that Wario does not like the product he purchased, but he should also respect that I do. It is that simple. He believes the company that produced the content to be "shit" and should respect my opinion that it is not. It is all a matter of respect.

Why some people's opinions are to be considered valid and others is not ... that is a double standard I cannot abide by.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Wario

Concert-One produced the documentary. Its in the credits of the documentary. I digress. I just never want meat to work with them again. Would any of you?

I would not have a problem with it.

[Wario]

Lost boys? hmmmmmm TO THE ARCHIVE

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Wario

Lost boys? hmmmmmm TO THE ARCHIVE

Let's just say Meat Loaf was one of the first artists to have a dedicated fan base on the newfangled Internet...and not everything is located here. Please, no more further discussion about this here - we are bordering on bringing conversation from elsewhere to here.

[melon]

Originally Posted by robgomm

3. Showing clips from the concert that we already have, why do they even do that? Talk about time wasting.

The section where he was talking about things being said in the media about him & him not caring was not in the DVD, but it WAS in the documentary

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by melon

The section where he was talking about things being said in the media about him & him not caring was not in the DVD, but it WAS in the documentary

Arr yeah i get there is some new stuff, but there was a lot of repeats too.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Dave

Let's just say Meat Loaf was one of the first artists to have a dedicated fan base on the newfangled Internet...and not everything is located here. Please, no more further discussion about this here - we are bordering on bringing conversation from elsewhere to here.

Probably wasn't the best idea to suggest looking it up then. Kinda invites the subject.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Dave

The final product was signed off on, releasing it to the world - that's what matters. Just because you do not like what you received, does not mean you can make blanket statements that it is a bad product. Even if we all loathed the very pixels the product was made of - when we popped it into our players and Lady GaGa came out of our speakers and the visual was of a Spice Girls concert...someone, somewhere signed off agreeing Concert-One to produce it and someone somewhere signed off the product was complete and consumer ready. We got Meat Loaf on the speakers and in the picture - just because some do not like what they see/hear does not mean the product is across the board flawed.

I think this says it all .. and nor does it mean the company who produced the product is across the board flawed