35th anniversary of Bat

[Nick]

Meat is celebrating it in Cleveland, and according to this article, there will be special guests.... WHO??

http://wncx.cbslocal.com/2012/09/10/...t-out-of-hell/

[misterfive]

Steinman hopefully.

[Mr. Happy]

The only people this really could be referring to are Todd Rundgren or Steinman.

If that's the case, I'd love for Meat to add Heaven Can Wait into the setlist for this one show. They could do it together with just piano and vocals. Celebrating the 35th anniversary of the album with a performance of the first song written for the album would be pretty amazing

Originally Posted by Evil One

I'd like for them to do the whole album. And then put it out on CD for all to purchase along with a host of other goodies.

This is also true. Although I s'pose, considering it's the anniversary of the album, it'd sort of make sense for them to do the whole thing anyway :P

[Evil One]

I'd like for them to do the whole album. And then put it out on CD for all to purchase along with a host of other goodies.

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I'd like for them to do the whole album. And then put it out on CD for all to purchase along with a host of other goodies.

Goodies like the unrecorded Steinman classics like Which Part Of My Body Hurts The Most, Braver Than We Are, Were Still The Children We Once Were ... an end of career triumph ?

[Wario]

its most likely Jim., with a touching Heaven Can Wait or FCOL and a dedication to steve popovich. I dont want todd anywhere near the show.

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Wario

I dont want todd anywhere near the show.

Why? He was probably the third most important person involved with BOOH. Without him you probably wouldn't know who ML or (possibly) JS are...

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Why? He was probably the third most important person involved with BOOH. Without him you probably wouldn't know who ML or (possibly) JS are...

he made comments recently that were insulting to meat.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/dc9/...e_of_blues.php

Early on, Rundgren appeared weary. He apologized for his voice, saying, "Just pretend you're at a Meatloaf show."

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Wario

he made comments recently that were insulting to meat.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/dc9/...e_of_blues.php

Early on, Rundgren appeared weary. He apologized for his voice, saying, "Just pretend you're at a Meatloaf show."

...I don't exactly love Todd's voice and his last album sucked. I'd pick Meat's voice on a bad day any day over Todd's.

[Evil One]

I'd also pick Todd's guitar playing over Meat's any day.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Wario

Early on, Rundgren appeared weary. He apologized for his voice, saying, "Just pretend you're at a Meatloaf show."

As I said at the time, i'm not going to slate the man for something that might have only been meant as a well meant bit of ribbing.
The article, like online forums, gives no indication how the joke was said. It's very hard to get the right inflection into the written word, and what might be said in the spirit of leg pulling can be taken as serious insult.
He might well have intended to be insulting, but as I wasn't there and didn't hear how it was said, i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'd be happy to see him appear at a Meat Loaf concert.

Originally Posted by stretch37

What a piece of shit...I don't exactly love Todd's voice and his last album sucked balls. I'd pick Meat's voice on a bad day any day over Todd's.

His version of 2 Out Of 3 was interesting

Originally Posted by Evil One

I'd also pick Todd's guitar playing over Meat's any day.

I agree
But at the same time, i've never bought a concert ticket to watch someone play guitar before (although I did go and see violin player Vannessa Mae in concert ).


Back to the main topic of the thread though, I think it's really exciting that there will be special guests, and I only hope that they live up to expectation (people who are connected in some way to Bat).
Jim Steinman would be the ultimate, of course, and although I was at first sceptical that he might make an apperance, it occured to me that not so long ago Meat gave the speech at Jimmys induction into the SWHOF, so perhaps they have kept in contact since then and cooked up this idea between them. All it would take is for one of them so say "Hey, you know what would be cool.........."

I wonder if Ellen would be part of this?
From documentries i've seen she doesn't seem too fond of her ML days, and doesn't seem to have left under happy circumstances.

Another guess (from the non Bat world) would be Brian May.
Meat has worked with Brian twice now (A Time For Heroes and on Bat III) and Brian seems to have formed a really good relationship with Paul ever since Paul played the Las Vegas production of WWRY, so i'd not discount him.

Phil Spector was a big influence on Meat & Jim, do you think they'd let him out of chokey for the night?

[loaferman61]

Karla DeVito come on down. As for Meat's guitar playing has anyone actually heard him play? What he has on stage appears to be mainly a prop. I remember on the 1993 VH1 video they made it look like Meat and Pat Thrall were playing dueling parts of "Life Is A Lemon" but I never thought that was really Meat playing.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

His version of 2 Out Of 3 was interesting

I think 'shite' was the word you were looking for.

[allrevvedup]

or the special guests are just whatever warm up act plays

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

or the special guests are just whatever warm up act plays

Katrina is opening for Meat again

[samurai7]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Another guess (from the non Bat world) would be Brian May.
Meat has worked with Brian twice now (A Time For Heroes and on Bat III)

...and Hang Cool Teddy Bear

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I'd also pick Todd's guitar playing over Meat's any day.

lol yah very true

[Wario]

hopefully the show in cleveland is this:

Bat
Dead Ringer
Break It
Stand in the Storm
Bad for Good (special guest Brian May)
Los Angeloser
Took the Words
The Giving Tree
Mad Mad World
Heaven Can Wait - dedication to Steve Popovich featuring Jim on piano
Rock & Roll Dreams
AFL
Paradise
Hot Patootie / All Revved Up
Mercury Blues (special guest Brian May returns onstage)

[Dave]

All that for only a 3000 seat venue?

[Mr. Happy]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Jim Steinman would be the ultimate, of course, and although I was at first sceptical that he might make an apperance, it occured to me that not so long ago Meat gave the speech at Jimmys induction into the SWHOF, so perhaps they have kept in contact since then and cooked up this idea between them. All it would take is for one of them so say "Hey, you know what would be cool.........."

On a related note to this. I got myself a little excited last night by realising that Meat also said that he was making an announcement of some sort in October (which could be at this concert, if it's relevant...). The fact that they're suddenly on good enough terms to potentially do a performance together gets my hopes up about what this announcement might be

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by Dave

All that for only a 3000 seat venue?

Exactly

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Wario

he made comments recently that were insulting to meat.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/dc9/...e_of_blues.php

Early on, Rundgren appeared weary. He apologized for his voice, saying, "Just pretend you're at a Meatloaf show."

Originally Posted by stretch37

...I don't exactly love Todd's voice and his last album sucked balls. I'd pick Meat's voice on a bad day any day over Todd's.

Wow. You guys are really protective of Meat.

Unless he comes out and says something really bad just take it as a ribbing between two men who have worked together on numerous occasions. They may have had their fights but they're have respect for each other. I believe they have both criticized each other (to my recollection), but if anybody can do it to each other it's those two.

For the record I think that Todd also has an amazing voice and he's a hell of a guitar player. Great producer and arranger as well. He deserves an immense amount of respect for what he has contributed to ML's career and music in general.

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Wario

hopefully the show in cleveland is this:

Bat
Dead Ringer
Break It
Stand in the Storm
Bad for Good (special guest Brian May)
Los Angeloser
Took the Words
The Giving Tree
Mad Mad World
Heaven Can Wait - dedication to Steve Popovich featuring Jim on piano
Rock & Roll Dreams
AFL
Paradise
Hot Patootie / All Revved Up
Mercury Blues (special guest Brian May returns onstage)

I would predict an all BOOH or all Steinman show. I could be wrong.

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Wow. You guys are really protective of Meat.

Unless he comes out and says something really bad just take it as a ribbing between two men who have worked together on numerous occasions. They may have had their fights but they're have respect for each other. I believe they have both criticized each other (to my recollection), but if anybody can do it to each other it's those two.

For the record I think that Todd also has an amazing voice and he's a hell of a guitar player. Great producer and arranger as well. He deserves an immense amount of respect for what he has contributed to ML's career and music in general.

i love meat, and i was just defensive because that's what i do for my friends, i stick up for them :) No, before that comment I didn't think Todd was all that bad of a guy. And ya, its just ribbing, if he was ribbing about Neil Young not being able to sing I wouldn't care - his voice has seen its ups and downs too (or in certain peoples opininion, just DOWNS), but Neil Young wouldn't give a ~~~~ because he's confident and he's *knows hes an amazing artist*. Meat's confident too, but I know he'd probably get upset by that because he's sensitive, so yah I think I'm gonna have his back on this one :) I know I'd want it if it was me.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Unless he comes out and says something really bad just take it as a ribbing between two men who have worked together on numerous occasions.

When he looked at me, snickered, and said "this one's for you bat boy" right before he played the guitar solo in Just One Victory in Sandusky... Todd is no fan of Meat. A lot of his core fans are not fans of Meat...a lot of them went to see Meat just because of Kasim.

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

They may have had their fights but they're have respect for each other.

Todd having respect for someone, that is funny. He had three of the original members of Utopia on stage with him at the show I saw and still had to "count in" all of the songs and would direct the entire band like a symphony conductor. I really think the musicians were far more capable than he gave them credit for. It really turned me off.

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

For the record I think that Todd also has an amazing voice and he's a hell of a guitar player. Great producer and arranger as well. He deserves an immense amount of respect for what he has contributed to ML's career and music in general.

I'll give you all but the voice and not so sure I would say "music in general" when talking about Todd. He is not that universal. Todd should really consider putting Kasim up on lead vocals more and give his worn chops the break they deserve. However, Todd can kill it on a guitar solo and he put together a good show the tour I saw. That said, I won't spend my money on him again.

That said, I enjoy the "Liars" album from Todd, but that is about as far as my fandom for him goes.