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stretch37 · 31 Oct 2011, 14:53

The afl have posted saying "meat loaf was absolutely terrible".

That is a highly unprofessional statement. It is rude, and worst of all it is NOT THE TRUTH.

Parts of the show were good, parts of the show were not good. There were reasons for that - Meat was rushed for time, he couldn't hear, he had bad vibes all around the entire performance including no live band. for ~~~~ sakes, Meat deserves to give them a real jab back in their direction defending himself and his performance!!!!

melon · 31 Oct 2011, 15:02

I never said he didn't deserve to defend himself & set the record straight, I am just worried that too much time may have passed now

I have also said, that whatever he decides, I will support 100%

JaysScout · 31 Oct 2011, 15:33

AFL??? Tell those clowns down there that the REAL AFL was the "American Football League". It was founded in 1960 and merged with NFL in 1970, becoming the AFC.

robgomm · 31 Oct 2011, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretch37

The afl have posted saying "meat loaf was absolutely terrible".

That is a highly unprofessional statement. It is rude, and worst of all it is NOT THE TRUTH.

Parts of the show were good, parts of the show were not good. There were reasons for that - Meat was rushed for time, he couldn't hear, he had bad vibes all around the entire performance including no live band. for ~~~~ sakes, Meat deserves to give them a real jab back in their direction defending himself and his performance!!!!

What a stupid sweeping statement to make. They haven't even bothered to say anything further to back it up. And have you noticed they haven't answered any of the accusations about lack of time to prepare, not being able to hear anything, and not being allowed a live band? That they haven't denied any of this speaks volumes. Ignorant barstards.

melon · 31 Oct 2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by RaysScout

AFL??? Tell those clowns down there that the REAL AFL was the "American Football League". It was founded in 1960 and merged with NFL in 1970, becoming the AFC.

AFL (Aussie Rules) was formerly known as the Victorian Football League (VFL), which was known as VFA before that (Victorian Football Association). It was renamed the Australian Football League due to the VFL's governing body's decision to market the competition as an officially national league in 1990. VFA was founded in 1877, however games were first played as early as 1850s.

How's that for a shitting contest?

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Originally Posted by robgomm

What a stupid sweeping statement to make. They haven't even bothered to say anything further to back it up. And have you noticed they haven't answered any of the accusations about lack of time to prepare, not being able to hear anything, and not being allowed a live band? That they haven't denied any of this speaks volumes. Ignorant barstards.

They also have not addressed the $600,000.... the least they could have done would have been to clarify that!!!

suzieq · 31 Oct 2011, 15:45

Count me in!

stretch37 · 31 Oct 2011, 15:46

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Originally Posted by robgomm

What a stupid sweeping statement to make. They haven't even bothered to say anything further to back it up. And have you noticed they haven't answered any of the accusations about lack of time to prepare, not being able to hear anything, and not being allowed a live band? That they haven't denied any of this speaks volumes. Ignorant barstards.

I know, its ~~~~ing pathetic! I really hope Meat evens out the playing field. He's honest and really humble, and yes he was pissed off during that interview, but he can show the world that he is a bigger, better person than those who run the AFL by writing the apology and hopefully clarifying some stuff in honesty. We all know he wanted that show to be perfect and the AFL did so many things that were counterproductive to that...

tribrats · 31 Oct 2011, 16:15

I'll post it.

I think it's important to stand up for what you believe, Meat. One voice can make a difference. Many can change the world.

CarylB · 31 Oct 2011, 16:34

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Originally Posted by melon

I never said he didn't deserve to defend himself & set the record straight, I am just worried that too much time may have passed now

I think this is the point, and for us to keep getting worked up every time someone posts another inflammatory comment made somewhere on the internet, whilst it's understandable, isn't imo particularly helpful .. and as Sarge said is tending to overshadow so much that's really positive and exciting for Meat fans currently. I had no idea that AFL had made any comment again. I'm just enjoying the rave reviews from fans who have attended the concerts, and look forward to seeing those from fans who will attend the concluding one.

If the cyber-bullies get stirred up into action again, will all Meat's fans be able to keep off the keyboard? I'd like to think so, but for some it doesn't seem that easy to manage, and like you I just don't want to see Meat being harassed yet again by a relatively small group of ignorant bullies, who I think are as much out to get their kicks through getting a rise out of those who follow, love and respect him as they are trying to get at him.

If Meat asks me to post a simple statement from him of course I will. But I will ignore any responses that aren't supportive, any designed to hook me into a defensive retort, and I won't go looking for them. I still don't think this whole brou haha is something that people are generally aware of outside Australia and Meat's more committed on-line fanbase.

So whilst I do understand that establishing the truth is important to a man of honour, I believe that internationally Meat's honour is as high as it ever was, and that the honourable around the world who have witnessed this will deplore the abusive mitherings of the small group with no honour at all who have been responsible.

Caryl

melon · 31 Oct 2011, 16:39

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Originally Posted by CarylB

I still don't think this whole brou haha is something that people are generally aware of outside Australia and Meat's more committed on-line fanbase.

So whilst I do understand that establishing the truth is important to a man of honour, I believe that internationally Meat's honour is as high as it ever was, and that the honourable around the world who have witnessed this will deplore the abusive mitherings of the small group with no honour at all who have been responsible.

Caryl

Yeah I don't think its gone any further than the Aussie press, Aussie shit-stirrers etc

JaysScout · 31 Oct 2011, 16:57

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Originally Posted by melon

AFL (Aussie Rules) was formerly known as the Victorian Football League (VFL), which was known as VFA before that (Victorian Football Association). It was renamed the Australian Football League due to the VFL's governing body's decision to market the competition as an officially national league in 1990. VFA was founded in 1877, however games were first played as early as 1850s.

How's that for a shitting contest?

1960 trumps 1990! How's that for a shitting contest?

LucyK! · 31 Oct 2011, 17:05

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Originally Posted by ChrisBelfast

Is it a good idea for UK and USA fans to do this? What's happened in Nz and Aus might be better staying there and it will for the casual Meat Loaf fan. If people in Uk and USA start to read all about the AFL experience it it may influence your next tours and people's opinion of it before it starts.

I'm inclined to agree with Chris on this one.

The AFL thing has been pretty awful for everyone concerned but it's one of those things that'll be forgotten as soon as it started. To me it seems a bit like "that" Newcastle show to be honest - at the time it was just the worst thing ever, it was all over the internet, in the local newspapers, tv, radio, it probably got Meat more bad press than the AFL thing has. But people forgot about it, bought tickets to the Casa De Carne shows and packed out Newcastle in 2010.

I know it seems pretty hideous now but I'd be inclined just to leave it be.

Gracie · 31 Oct 2011, 17:31

I'll help you all I can Meat!
Your true fans know what you mean and we believe in you!
Keep Rockin'!

KayBaby · 31 Oct 2011, 18:44

Count me in.

Edited to add:

It's easy to say nasty things on the Internet & pile on. Ignore it - it's hard, but ignore it. The AFL are chickens, not strong enough to say their piece.

As for the Internet, 99% of the folks wouldn't say this to your face or in any place where they would have to be accountable for their actions. They don't count.

CarylB · 31 Oct 2011, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

I know it seems pretty hideous now but I'd be inclined just to leave it be.

I agree, and in his head rather than his feelings I'm sure Meat will see this too. Hard to weather this, hard to ignore, but better left until he's home, gets some distance and works with his management team to take any action he feels is needed.

Meanwhile rock the socks off Tuaranga, and finish what he came to do with the delighted fans he came to see.

Caryl

A Slice Of English · 31 Oct 2011, 20:45

I wouldn't want to give them the satisfaction of knowing how riled I was, were I Meat.

They've kicked you when you're low, then f@*#ked you when they were done, Meat. Leave the selfish a$$es to their own miserable little lives.

stretch37 · 31 Oct 2011, 20:57

i agree with Caryl that it should be left until he gets home and his management comes up with a plan to deal with it professionally and finally.

However, I do not agree it should be left "as-is".

This is not about ego or reputation. It is about setting the story straight. Meat did not "show up, and couldn't sing". He could sing fine thanks. The AFL did several things to cause Meat Loaf's performance to be surely weak - they gave him an unrealistic time frame to perform his hits, no band for the first time in 45 years, and they did not have adequate equipment. A technical failure that Meat had no control over.

You can't take someone who is in their 60's, used to a certain way of doing things, and throw them off like that and expect it to turn out well. Now they are reaming him out because of their own stupid restrictions on his performance?

~~~~ing get real!

stretch37 · 31 Oct 2011, 21:02

When Meat first told us of the restrictions, I had a really bad feeling about their expectations of him. I wanted to say you should pull out of it or make them change the restrictions, but I kept my mouth shut. It sucks because this is the first generation where we have hard core rockers into their late 60's and we don't know how to treat them. We expect that if they are "professionals", then they should be able to do anything!! Including working way out of their comfort zone, Eg. Performing hits faster and harder than they are used to in an environment that is foreign to them (no live band, bad monitor setup). We expect them to act like they are 30 years old.

People, Meat Loaf still rocks my goddamn socks off, and it is because he is a LEGACY ACT. He's been around since my parents were little kids! So the AFL should have given him the respect and dignity of ensuring a dignified performance so it would result positively in both the AFL and Meat. They decided to ignore all these facts and just said "HEY YOUR A PRO. YOU BETTER JUST DEAL BRO".

Well they made the wrong choice in my eyes.

Thoughts?

LucyK! · 31 Oct 2011, 21:05

The problem is though, we know too much! We're all Meat fans (and therefore on his side) and we've had him here telling his side of the story - it's all very well spending time and efforting putting the story straight (and believe me I'm all for that, I'm terrible for just letting things go) but in reality no-one "outside" is going to care! The Australia and New Zealand shows are done already, tickets sold, t-shirts bought...ok so a few people might read it and think a bit better of him, but is it honestly worth the stress levels? I really don't think it is.

I know it's not as easy as just letting it go - I'm probably the worst person in the world for doing that - but I think for the greater good it would be the best thing to do, I just don't think the end result is worth what it'll take getting there.

Meatfan4ever · 31 Oct 2011, 21:06

Strech37... you are absolutly f***ing right!!

CarylB · 31 Oct 2011, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

The problem is though, we know too much! We're all Meat fans (and therefore on his side) and we've had him here telling his side of the story - it's all very well spending time and efforting putting the story straight (and believe me I'm all for that, I'm terrible for just letting things go) but in reality no-one "outside" is going to care! The Australia and New Zealand shows are done already, tickets sold, t-shirts bought...ok so a few people might read it and think a bit better of him, but is it honestly worth the stress levels? I really don't think it is.

I know it's not as easy as just letting it go - I'm probably the worst person in the world for doing that - but I think for the greater good it would be the best thing to do, I just don't think the end result is worth what it'll take getting there.

I so agree with all this. Time for us all to stand back and get some distance I think. Meat thrilled the people he went to see. He has one more show to deliver in his unique style. Sometimes things are better left until they've cooled down. I don't think anything that has happened has damaged Meat's reputation as an ace performer and an honourable man as far as the world is concerned. Setting records straight, if indeed it needs to be done, is best done after all this is done and the feelings and stress left behind.

Caryl

lyn · 31 Oct 2011, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

I am going in a few days ask to put my apology to the AFL up on your face book ,twitter , what ever you got. They sent the AFL the apology and I got blasted by them. I'm adding another comment to add to the other so please wait . It will be done by the end of the week , so just hold off. I did not sing out of key on that AFL show , Bat was pushed because I couldn't hear. 600,000 bullshit !!
I am really pissed off now !!!
M

No problems at all

As far as I'm concerned you sang well at the AFL, and you shouldn't have to answer to anyone. As for them blasting you mate, they have no bloody right to do so and should know better!!! Anyway I'll wait until you release it by the end of the week. Take care mate, and know we all love you here

lyn · 31 Oct 2011, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

I am going in a few days ask to put my apology to the AFL up on your face book ,twitter , what ever you got. They sent the AFL the apology and I got blasted by them. I'm adding another comment to add to the other so please wait . It will be done by the end of the week , so just hold off. I did not sing out of key on that AFL show , Bat was pushed because I couldn't hear. 600,000 bullshit !!
I am really pissed off now !!!
M

Quote:

Originally Posted by stretch37

The afl have posted saying "meat loaf was absolutely terrible".

That is a highly unprofessional statement. It is rude, and worst of all it is NOT THE TRUTH.

Parts of the show were good, parts of the show were not good. There were reasons for that - Meat was rushed for time, he couldn't hear, he had bad vibes all around the entire performance including no live band. for ~~~~ sakes, Meat deserves to give them a real jab back in their direction defending himself and his performance!!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself mate! It goes to show what hypocrites the AFL mob are!!!

lyn · 31 Oct 2011, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by melon

I never said he didn't deserve to defend himself & set the record straight, I am just worried that too much time may have passed now

I have also said, that whatever he decides, I will support 100%

I agree with you Melon. I think enough time has passed that the issue should be dropped maybe, or something to that degree. But Meat needs to set some things straight with them to keep his own heart and mind at ease.

I support whatever he decides to do and will always do so

lyn · 31 Oct 2011, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by melon

I never said he didn't deserve to defend himself & set the record straight, I am just worried that too much time may have passed now

I have also said, that whatever he decides, I will support 100%

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaysScout

AFL??? Tell those clowns down there that the REAL AFL was the "American Football League". It was founded in 1960 and merged with NFL in 1970, becoming the AFC.

Ha ha, couldn't agree more

It is a horrid Australian game. I'd rather American Football if I had to choose between the two.
But the clowns need to be set straight in some way, shape of form!

31 Oct 2011, 18:44	#39
KayBaby Junior Loafer Join Date: 07.06.2011 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 34	Count me in. Edited to add: It's easy to say nasty things on the Internet & pile on. Ignore it - it's hard, but ignore it. The AFL are chickens, not strong enough to say their piece. As for the Internet, 99% of the folks wouldn't say this to your face or in any place where they would have to be accountable for their actions. They don't count. Last edited by KayBaby; 31 Oct 2011 at 18:57. Reason: Adding info

31 Oct 2011, 14:53	#26
stretch37 Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2008 Location: Posts: 2,120	The afl have posted saying "meat loaf was absolutely terrible". That is a highly unprofessional statement. It is rude, and worst of all it is NOT THE TRUTH. Parts of the show were good, parts of the show were not good. There were reasons for that - Meat was rushed for time, he couldn't hear, he had bad vibes all around the entire performance including no live band. for ~~~~ sakes, Meat deserves to give them a real jab back in their direction defending himself and his performance!!!!

31 Oct 2011, 15:02	#27
melon Long Distance Loafer Join Date: 17.07.2007 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 4,586	I never said he didn't deserve to defend himself & set the record straight, I am just worried that too much time may have passed now I have also said, that whatever he decides, I will support 100%

31 Oct 2011, 15:33	#28
JaysScout Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.09.2010 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 157	AFL??? Tell those clowns down there that the REAL AFL was the "American Football League". It was founded in 1960 and merged with NFL in 1970, becoming the AFC.

31 Oct 2011, 15:45	#31
suzieq Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.10.2008 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,319	Count me in!

31 Oct 2011, 16:15	#33
tribrats Senior Loafer Join Date: 06.04.2011 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 151	I'll post it. I think it's important to stand up for what you believe, Meat. One voice can make a difference. Many can change the world.

31 Oct 2011, 17:31	#38
Gracie Super Loafer Join Date: 07.01.2005 Location: Loafdom! Posts: 224	I'll help you all I can Meat! Your true fans know what you mean and we believe in you! Keep Rockin'!

31 Oct 2011, 20:45	#41
A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	I wouldn't want to give them the satisfaction of knowing how riled I was, were I Meat. They've kicked you when you're low, then f@*#ked you when they were done, Meat. Leave the selfish a$$es to their own miserable little lives.

31 Oct 2011, 20:57	#42
stretch37 Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2008 Location: Posts: 2,120	i agree with Caryl that it should be left until he gets home and his management comes up with a plan to deal with it professionally and finally. However, I do not agree it should be left "as-is". This is not about ego or reputation. It is about setting the story straight. Meat did not "show up, and couldn't sing". He could sing fine thanks. The AFL did several things to cause Meat Loaf's performance to be surely weak - they gave him an unrealistic time frame to perform his hits, no band for the first time in 45 years, and they did not have adequate equipment. A technical failure that Meat had no control over. You can't take someone who is in their 60's, used to a certain way of doing things, and throw them off like that and expect it to turn out well. Now they are reaming him out because of their own stupid restrictions on his performance? ~~~~ing get real!

31 Oct 2011, 21:02	#43
stretch37 Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2008 Location: Posts: 2,120	When Meat first told us of the restrictions, I had a really bad feeling about their expectations of him. I wanted to say you should pull out of it or make them change the restrictions, but I kept my mouth shut. It sucks because this is the first generation where we have hard core rockers into their late 60's and we don't know how to treat them. We expect that if they are "professionals", then they should be able to do anything!! Including working way out of their comfort zone, Eg. Performing hits faster and harder than they are used to in an environment that is foreign to them (no live band, bad monitor setup). We expect them to act like they are 30 years old. People, Meat Loaf still rocks my goddamn socks off, and it is because he is a LEGACY ACT. He's been around since my parents were little kids! So the AFL should have given him the respect and dignity of ensuring a dignified performance so it would result positively in both the AFL and Meat. They decided to ignore all these facts and just said "HEY YOUR A PRO. YOU BETTER JUST DEAL BRO". Well they made the wrong choice in my eyes. Thoughts?

31 Oct 2011, 21:05	#44
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	The problem is though, we know too much! We're all Meat fans (and therefore on his side) and we've had him here telling his side of the story - it's all very well spending time and efforting putting the story straight (and believe me I'm all for that, I'm terrible for just letting things go) but in reality no-one "outside" is going to care! The Australia and New Zealand shows are done already, tickets sold, t-shirts bought...ok so a few people might read it and think a bit better of him, but is it honestly worth the stress levels? I really don't think it is. I know it's not as easy as just letting it go - I'm probably the worst person in the world for doing that - but I think for the greater good it would be the best thing to do, I just don't think the end result is worth what it'll take getting there.

31 Oct 2011, 21:06	#45
Meatfan4ever Loafer Join Date: 08.04.2011 Location: Abita Springs, Louisiana Posts: 51	Strech37... you are absolutly f***ing right!!