The Church of Christ

Wario · 15 May 2011, 08:39

according to this, Meat's part of a religious group called "The Church of Christ"

Interesting!

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fa...of_christ.html

Dave · 15 May 2011, 09:13

Wario - The Church of Christ is not a "religious group" at all. It is a denomination of Christianity - exactly like Baptists, Methodist, Lutherans, and so on...

If Meat Loaf really is a member of The Church of Christ, that would greatly explain why there has been no Christmas album or religious song recorded to date. I grew up in the Church of Christ. They do not believe in allowing musical instruments in the church or playing sacred hymns with musical instruments, as this is a part of "adding to" or "taking away" from "The Word" of God. They also do not celebrate Christmas or Easter, as the belief of the denomination is that every Sunday that the congregation meets to worship is just as important as any other day.

CarylB · 15 May 2011, 11:23

Just because something's on the internet doesn't mean it's so Chris

Meat's a good man, a decent man, a caring man. Exactly what power he believes in, what and how he might choose to exercise that belief is his business, and his alone. He's not an evangelist (well only of Rock 'n Roll) and it strikes me he'd want to keep his beliefs his business. I respect that more than addherents.com does. He has of course happily sung Chrstmas Carols on TV, and I think there are quite a number of rock singers who haven't recorded Christmas albums

One of Meat's beliefs he has shared with us .. what was it he said? "There isn't one bit of truth on the internet at all. Everything is a f***ing lie. Thank you." And quite often he's right.

Caryl

AndrewG · 15 May 2011, 13:01

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Originally Posted by CarylB

One of Meat's beliefs he has shared with us .. what was it he said? "There isn't one bit of truth on the internet at all. Everything is a f***ing lie. Thank you." And quite often he's right.

Best thing I've seen posted on here!!!!!!

melon · 15 May 2011, 13:07

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Best thing I've seen posted on here!!!!!!

& Oh so true.

AndrewG · 15 May 2011, 13:31

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Originally Posted by CarylB

Just because something's on the internet doesn't mean it's so Chris

Yeah he should know about that!!!

Steve6 · 15 May 2011, 17:38

Religion was founded so people could make millions and kill one another. It's also used as an excuse to cause trouble and start wars.

I'll believe he's a member of "The Church of Christ", when he says he is.

AndrewG · 15 May 2011, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Religion was founded so people could make millions and kill one another.

I disagree. Religions were mostly founded to try to give answers for why we are here and what our fate is after death. Man has a huge problem dealing with its own mortality. But yeah indeed I agree with other things you've said and it's ironic in this light that religion is often used as an excuse to kill others.

However I believe you cannot prove there is no God, no matter what kind of scientist you are. There may well be 11 dimensions and more universes out there (some believe an infinite amount), that does not disprove that this was all created by a being who therefore HAS to be more intelligent than any of us and thus could be considered a God and may well be there to great us after our consciousness slips into another state. That's what I believe anyway. I'm more a follower of philosophy than religion I guess.

**The Flying Mouse** · 15 May 2011, 17:56

Theology discussion is a little heavy for General Messages folks.
If we really want to debate religion, take it to Off Topic

As for the threads topic itself, the only response I have is................

Oh

I did notice they list Roy Orbison though

They might want to rethink including Jeffrey Dahmer in their list.He's not the best advertisment

tribrats · 15 May 2011, 18:43

Christianity was formed to cover for the fact that a 14 year old girl got knocked up and didn't want to get in trouble.

*****Disclaimer*****
I'm very self-educated in most religions and an Atheist so please disregard the above as what it was meant to be, simply a joke. While I don't participate in any religion, I take others' beliefs seriously.

Ok, getting in trouble out of the way:

1) I wouldn't take that list too seriously.
2) This is just my view, others' religions is just like sexual preference, nobody's business but the persons.
3) If it's something someone wants to share, that's also their business.
4) Whatever the religion, Meat is still #1 to me.

I'll step down off my soapbox now.

RSG · 15 May 2011, 19:06

I would sooner go back to the How Tall Is ML thread

Uhm, to say something related to this particular subject? Looks very amateur & they don't spell Meat's name right.

Lame subject, me thinks. Nothing personal

Anthony

JennaG · 15 May 2011, 19:54

I take lists like that with a pinch of salt as they cite no official sources for their information and until there is some kind of official source, I'm not going to get too involved in discussing it.

What Meat believes, religious or otherwise, is his business. It's not going to make any difference to the huge amount of respect I have for him.

Vickip · 15 May 2011, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Skybird14

What Meat believes, religious or otherwise, is his business. It's not going to make any difference to the huge amount of respect I have for him.

I absolutely agree.

nikox1 · 15 May 2011, 23:32

why even post it on here?

AndrewG · 16 May 2011, 00:26

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Originally Posted by nikox1

why even post it on here?

Cause it's a Meat Loaf site?

nikox1 · 16 May 2011, 00:36

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Cause it's a Meat Loaf site?

what some bullshit article ? that is probably a pack of lies ? but if people find it interesting ?

AndrewG · 16 May 2011, 00:39

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Originally Posted by nikox1

what some bullshit article ? that is probably a pack of lies ? but if people find it interesting ?

I'm sure it's more reliable than a roadrunnercrest Wikipedia entry.

nikox1 · 16 May 2011, 00:44

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

I'm sure it's more reliable than a roadrunnercrest Wikipedia entry.

you reckon ?

Adje · 16 May 2011, 01:31

Not sure why this is 'interesting'. No matter if it's true or not.

People (especially celebrities) are being judged on how they treat/respect other people.

Personally I think that God is mankind's greatest 'invention'. That doesn't mean I don't respect people who believe. It's your right to believe whatever you want. As long as you stick to the law it shouldn't matter at all.

Nobody knows for sure/has the proof that God does or doesn't exists. It's a debate neither side can win. I don't believe in God but who knows, after I'm dead maybe I change my mind!

As for Meat. Why would I care if he is a member of that Church. It's not like I'm going to enjoy his music any less. Or find his live performances less entertaining. He doesn't bother me with what he believes when I play his CD's. So what he does in his personal life is up to him.

Besides I don't think people or fans should claim the right to discus the private life of an artist. I know it's all very common and tabloids are feeding us with personal information. Personally I think it's none of our damn business. You have the artist -the part that is there to entertain fans- and te person. The last one should deserve every right to keep his private life private. In this World we cross these boundries way to easy. And even more scary. We act like we have the right to do so.

For me Meat makes music that I usually enjoy, movies I dislike and concerts I most of the time love. Everything else in his life is none of my damn business unless the 'artist Meat Loaf' wants to share it with me. That's my opinion

AndrewG · 16 May 2011, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Adje

Not sure why this is 'interesting'. No matter if it's true or not.

People always associate Tom Cruise with Scientology, so what's the difference when it's a Christian religion or a sect or a cult?

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Originally Posted by Adje

People (especially celebrities) are being judged on how they treat/respect other people.

That is to be expected I think. If a celebrity such as Katie Price makes money out of sharing her private life why would people NOT judge her on how strange she is behaving and treating her boyfriends?

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Originally Posted by Adje

Personally I think that God is mankind's greatest 'invention'. That doesn't mean I don't respect people who believe.

I think it's almost impossible to say those two things to a believer unless he/she has respect back for people who don't believe. The problem is from what I gather that many religions, if these are followed closely at least, teach that non believing is wrong thus I don't think full respect could ever be 100% mutual. It's a utopian - happy-clappy picture you paint which simply hasn't worked across most parts of the world if you look at how things are turning out.

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Originally Posted by Adje

It's your right to believe whatever you want. As long as you stick to the law it shouldn't matter at all.

Indeed, but that doesn't just go for celebrities does it?

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Originally Posted by Adje

Nobody knows for sure/has the proof that God does or doesn't exists. It's a debate neither side can win. I don't believe in God but who knows, after I'm dead maybe I change my mind!

Many believers would argue it's too late by then!

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Originally Posted by Adje

As for Meat. Why would I care if he is a member of that Church. It's not like I'm going to enjoy his music any less. Or find his live performances less entertaining. He doesn't bother me with what he believes when I play his CD's. So what he does in his personal life is up to him.

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Originally Posted by Adje

Besides I don't think people or fans should claim the right to discus the private life of an artist. I know it's all very common and tabloids are feeding us with personal information. Personally I think it's none of our damn business. You have the artist -the part that is there to entertain fans- and te person. The last one should deserve every right to keep his private life private. In this World we cross these boundries way to easy. And even more scary. We act like we have the right to do so.

That's not going to happen in a million years. In a sense Meat joining the celebrity apprentice thing means he is happily showing a large part of his private life and/or how he behaves off stage/off camera. So....

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Originally Posted by Adje

For me Meat makes music that I usually enjoy, movies I dislike and concerts I most of the time love. Everything else in his life is none of my damn business unless the 'artist Meat Loaf' wants to share it with me. That's my opinion

CarylB · 16 May 2011, 08:47

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

That is to be expected I think. If a celebrity such as Katie Price makes money out of sharing her private life why would people NOT judge her on how strange she is behaving and treating her boyfriends?

I agree that those who court publicity in this way deserve public comment. Those who don't do not imo

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That's not going to happen in a million years. In a sense Meat joining the celebrity apprentice thing means he is happily showing a large part of his private life and/or how he behaves off stage/off camera. So....

So .. he didn't show a large part of his private life imo. He showed on camera how he works when undertaking challenges and simulated business tasks. He showed his emotional attachment to his charity; his personal commitment to learning and developing as a person. It's reasonable to comment on the range of competences and behaviour he displayed doing that. Meat knew that, expected it, and has weathered it with honesty. But it's not reasonable to extend that intrusion and comment into for eg his faith, his home life, his relationships with anyone other than the people he worked with on CA during the series.

He didn't make money for himself by sharing his private life. He worked hard to win money for a charity that supports sick kids by putting himself on the line through a series of simulated business challenges. This does not mean imo that every aspect of his private life should therefore be fair game for intrusion and comment.

Caryl

15 May 2011, 08:39	#1
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	The Church of Christ according to this, Meat's part of a religious group called "The Church of Christ" Interesting! http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fa...of_christ.html

15 May 2011, 09:13	#2
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	Wario - The Church of Christ is not a "religious group" at all. It is a denomination of Christianity - exactly like Baptists, Methodist, Lutherans, and so on... If Meat Loaf really is a member of The Church of Christ, that would greatly explain why there has been no Christmas album or religious song recorded to date. I grew up in the Church of Christ. They do not believe in allowing musical instruments in the church or playing sacred hymns with musical instruments, as this is a part of "adding to" or "taking away" from "The Word" of God. They also do not celebrate Christmas or Easter, as the belief of the denomination is that every Sunday that the congregation meets to worship is just as important as any other day.

15 May 2011, 11:23	#3
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Just because something's on the internet doesn't mean it's so Chris Meat's a good man, a decent man, a caring man. Exactly what power he believes in, what and how he might choose to exercise that belief is his business, and his alone. He's not an evangelist (well only of Rock 'n Roll) and it strikes me he'd want to keep his beliefs his business. I respect that more than addherents.com does. He has of course happily sung Chrstmas Carols on TV, and I think there are quite a number of rock singers who haven't recorded Christmas albums One of Meat's beliefs he has shared with us .. what was it he said? "There isn't one bit of truth on the internet at all. Everything is a f***ing lie. Thank you." And quite often he's right. Caryl

15 May 2011, 17:38	#7
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Religion was founded so people could make millions and kill one another. It's also used as an excuse to cause trouble and start wars. I'll believe he's a member of "The Church of Christ", when he says he is.

15 May 2011, 17:56	#9
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Theology discussion is a little heavy for General Messages folks. If we really want to debate religion, take it to Off Topic As for the threads topic itself, the only response I have is................ Oh I did notice they list Roy Orbison though They might want to rethink including Jeffrey Dahmer in their list.He's not the best advertisment

15 May 2011, 18:43	#10
tribrats Senior Loafer Join Date: 06.04.2011 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 151	Christianity was formed to cover for the fact that a 14 year old girl got knocked up and didn't want to get in trouble. ***Disclaimer*** I'm very self-educated in most religions and an Atheist so please disregard the above as what it was meant to be, simply a joke. While I don't participate in any religion, I take others' beliefs seriously. Ok, getting in trouble out of the way: 1) I wouldn't take that list too seriously. 2) This is just my view, others' religions is just like sexual preference, nobody's business but the persons. 3) If it's something someone wants to share, that's also their business. 4) Whatever the religion, Meat is still #1 to me. I'll step down off my soapbox now.

15 May 2011, 19:06	#11
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	I would sooner go back to the How Tall Is ML thread Uhm, to say something related to this particular subject? Looks very amateur & they don't spell Meat's name right. Lame subject, me thinks. Nothing personal Anthony

15 May 2011, 19:54	#12
JennaG Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.02.2010 Location: Posts: 1,934	I take lists like that with a pinch of salt as they cite no official sources for their information and until there is some kind of official source, I'm not going to get too involved in discussing it. What Meat believes, religious or otherwise, is his business. It's not going to make any difference to the huge amount of respect I have for him.

15 May 2011, 23:32	#14
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	why even post it on here?

16 May 2011, 01:31	#19
Adje trying to be realistic Join Date: 28.09.2007 Location: Posts: 1,959	Not sure why this is 'interesting'. No matter if it's true or not. People (especially celebrities) are being judged on how they treat/respect other people. Personally I think that God is mankind's greatest 'invention'. That doesn't mean I don't respect people who believe. It's your right to believe whatever you want. As long as you stick to the law it shouldn't matter at all. Nobody knows for sure/has the proof that God does or doesn't exists. It's a debate neither side can win. I don't believe in God but who knows, after I'm dead maybe I change my mind! As for Meat. Why would I care if he is a member of that Church. It's not like I'm going to enjoy his music any less. Or find his live performances less entertaining. He doesn't bother me with what he believes when I play his CD's. So what he does in his personal life is up to him. Besides I don't think people or fans should claim the right to discus the private life of an artist. I know it's all very common and tabloids are feeding us with personal information. Personally I think it's none of our damn business. You have the artist -the part that is there to entertain fans- and te person. The last one should deserve every right to keep his private life private. In this World we cross these boundries way to easy. And even more scary. We act like we have the right to do so. For me Meat makes music that I usually enjoy, movies I dislike and concerts I most of the time love. Everything else in his life is none of my damn business unless the 'artist Meat Loaf' wants to share it with me. That's my opinion