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[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

Then we shouldn't see the end result on this forum, either. It's not fair to the other members.

I agree. Its difficult to see the tip of the iceberg, get involved in something you don't fully understand, and then have to try to backtrack and patch things up with people.

Once the damage is done, its too late...As illustrated by this topic.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by roomster

I feel that some people on this forum have an almost manic desire to raise and glorify Meat all the time. No matter what he writes, says or does.

And also there are a couple of people here who enjoy winding Meat up and watching him go. I remember back to the 'heated discussion' Meat and I had a while back. In between our unpleasant posts were a couple of people doing the equivalent of cheering on a schoolyard scrap.

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by roomster

Well said Julie
I feel that some people on this forum have an almost manic desire to raise and glorify Meat all the time. No matter what he writes, says or does.

Im not sure using the word manic will really help the conversation along lol :P

Anyways, ya your right. If you divide the forum users into categories

Group A people treat Meat like your average dude. And have agreements/disagreements with him on a regular basis.

Group B people treat him like everything he does is justifiable and they ignore the negative stuff

The rest of us are in between. All personality types have their place. Thats not the issue.

The issue is when "UsernameBlah" gets singled out and ranted at for their opinion. Regardless of who this is, I do not agree with it. It is very sad to watch and I applaud those of you who stand your ground.

I think the thing to remember is that most things that are said, By Anyone, are not meant to be hurtful. It may just be that person's stress coming out in the wrong way. Most of us want to get along for the most part.

If we look at it from that point of view, it should avoid some of these situations.

Meat can be really dramatic so we need to learn to see through the drama of how he talks, and see the point he is trying to make instead of REACTING.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by stretch37

Im not sure using the word manic will really help the conversation along lol :P

Does 'euphoric frenzy' work?

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Does 'euphoric frenzy' work?

LOL i forgot about that gif

[Rage Against]

I'm starting to get the Meat Loaf's guilty and we're all innocent vibe from this thread. Not true people. But let's see who else is going to pile on.

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

I'm starting to get the Meat Loaf's guilty and we're all innocent vibe from this thread. Not true people. But let's see who else is going to pile on.

I guess some people seem to give that impression.

Thats not what i think though.

I think the change should come from everyone involved. And anyone who says otherwise.....good luck convincing Meat of that

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Rage Against

I'm starting to get the Meat Loaf's guilty and we're all innocent vibe from this thread. Not true people. But let's see who else is going to pile on.

Ian made a valid point that's worth discussing, the mods to their credit have kept the thread open so people can discuss it. No one is 'piling' anything on Meat. I don't think there's any need to be melodramatic.

[Sarge]

I agree 100% with what Devil's Son and Julie said and I totally disagree with Caryl.

I actually was about to post a rather harsh comment at this point but I realized that it was rather destructive than constructive and that's why I decided to remove it and replace it by this:

Some people have very high expectations and can get very emotional about certain topics. Music is an emotional and important thing to many people and they can become even a bit selfish in this respect. That does not justify rude comments but might explain why people say something inconsiderate or offensive sometimes. I don't agree with some comments made by members of this forum, too, and I understand that one can get angry about them.

Yet you should try to understand the person's motivation and instead of calling him / her names you could say something like: "Your comment is unjust because..." That way we could avoid all those useless fights and the person will probably realize that he / she said something that wasn't right and be more considerate the next time - without feeling hurt or losing the respect for their idol.

It doesn't make sense to respond to such a post with a post that's even more offensive. That will just make things worse and make everybody feel bad. It will poison the atmosphere and people will get alienated without getting a chance to realize that they've made a mistake. Aside from that, all those fights cost a lot of precious energy that should better be used for something else.

If I didn't like Meat, I wouldn't give a shit about what he says and how he says it. But I do like him and that's why his overreactions annoy and sadden me. It's like a punch in the gut when you have to witness him saying that he doesn't care who he pisses off and if this community of dedicated fans is going to the dogs.

[Rage Against]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Ian made a valid point that's worth discussing, the mods to their credit have kept the thread open so people can discuss it. No one is 'piling' anything on Meat. I don't think there's any need to be melodramatic.

No drama in my post. Simply an observation of a lot posts focusing on what Meat Loaf needs to do. Since your not 'piling' anything on Meat, tell me what responsibility do the people involved and us as a community have to the recent events?

[daveake]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I remember back to the 'heated discussion' Meat and I had a while back. In between our unpleasant posts were a couple of people doing the equivalent of cheering on a schoolyard scrap.

Indeed. I found that to be by far the worst thing in that thread, and the only part I felt needed moderating.

[Wario]

This is a Meat loaf fanclub. if you didn't love him and tolerate some of his aggravations you wouldn't still be here.

Lets all go and listen to your favorite Meat song and remind yourself its just him. the man is actually interacting with us.

we just need to look at stuff from his POV.

I wrote this poem:

Meat is the Man, the myth the Legend
He is the soul that bread life to this Forum
We are the users, the Loyal and True
We are the River of Love that Meat Swims In
Dont be the one that pees in it

[daveake]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

I wrote this poem:

Meat is the Man, the myth the Legend
He is the soul that bread life to this Forum
We are the users, the Loyal and True
We are the River of Love that Meat Swims In
Dont be the one that pees in it

You are Baldrick and I claim my five pounds.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Meat is the Man, the myth the Legend
He is the soul that bread life to this Forum
We are the users, the Loyal and True
We are the River of Love that Meat Swims In
Dont be the one that pees in it

That really, really sucks.

[Sarge]

Wario, there is a poetry thread already, you know? (The poems over there are much better though...)

[roomster]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

This is a Meat loaf fanclub. if you didn't love him and tolerate some of his aggravations you wouldn't still be here.

Lets all go and listen to your favorite Meat song and remind yourself its just him. the man is actually interacting with us.

we just need to look at stuff from his POV.

I think it would be in Meats self-interest so show some self-restraint when posting. My deep respect for him has not increased further after having witnessed the various rants on this forum.

The worst writings has often been deleted or edited out pretty soon, so the regular user probably haven't seen it all. Me neither.

[MeatGrl1]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

I wrote this poem:

Meat is the Man, the myth the Legend
He is the soul that bread life to this Forum
We are the users, the Loyal and True
We are the River of Love that Meat Swims In
Dont be the one that pees in it

Originally Posted by AndrewG

That really, really sucks.

Totally agree !!
It was awful !

Originally Posted by Sarge

Wario, there is a poetry thread already, you know? (The poems over there are much better though...)

He probably didn't but now he does we will probably hear more... God help us !!!

[AndyK]

Nice to know we do get something right in your eyes sometime

I don't think there's any need for any additional guidelines. It all boils down to speaking to people with respect, and thinking about what you post.

No mater what the subject a clumsily worded "positive" view still comes across as positive, a clumsily "worded" negative view more often than not comes across as more negative than it was intended and often that's where the problem lies. I've lost count how many times I've seen posts that say something along the lines of "I didn't mean my post to read like that let me clarify ..." and the clarification often leads to an interpretation that isn't anywhere near as negative as the original post.

The simple maxim "think before you submit a post" works so well.

[LisaT]

What also concerns me is that, if a reporter were to come across some of Meat's posts on here, what would it do for his reputation? They could have a field day with him.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by LisaT

What also concerns me is that, if a reporter were to come across some of Meat's posts on here, what would it do for his reputation? They could have a field day with him.

I seriously doubt most reporters, certainly the ones employed by Rupert Murdoch have enough brains to work out it is really him.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I seriously doubt most reporters, certainly the ones employed by Rupert Murdoch have enough brains to work out it is really him.

and plus Meat really isnt a tabloids type of target.

If this were a the PHUKFC (Paris Hilton UK Fanclub) and Fire Ball were Paris then thats a different story...

[mszee]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I seriously doubt most reporters, certainly the ones employed by Rupert Murdoch have enough brains to work out it is really him.

a) They wouldn't care to come to this forum
b) They wouldn't care. Period

[wenners]

I'm no longer a regular visitor or poster to this site, to be truthful I find a lot of the posts quite drab, I'd much rather spend my time with my ipod in my ear listening to music that brings me so much joy. But after doing one of my now more infrequent lurks I stumbled across this thread and became quite intrigued by the posts within it.

Now over the last few years I have been quite critical over the Meats musical direction I have more than once proclaimed my displeasure at the Monster is Loose Album,(probably the main reason I don’t come by as much) even had one or more post removed by the moderators in this time. But here is the thing, though this maybe a website run by fans and not an official Meat Loaf website it bares his name, it talks about his work in both a positive promotional sense and also in most part allows for criticism of his work.

Now I don't know about you but if somebody comes to my house, work or any other aspect of my life and criticises something I do I’m not going to be happy and at times I’m going to say and react in a way which can be interpreted as going to far. Why should Meat be any different to anyone of us in this aspect?

Though I do not like the musical direction Meat has taken I wholly respect his right to defend his work and in fact I admire his passion for doing so. If I criticises his work I would expect nothing less of him defending it in anyway shape or form and if he want to call me a plonker or worse for criticising his work or that offends him then so be it.

Now going back to this not being his site, true that this maybe but would you rather just post your posts and never get any kind of response from him.

And before someone says yeah but he could comment positively on some posts if he was to do that with some of the ass kissing posts written he would never have the time to perform, record and sing.

Wenners

One other thing I have been a fan of Meat Loaf since 1978 when I was 14 but this has no relevance to anything other than meaning I’m getting old

[LucyK!]

Originally Posted by wenners

Now I don't know about you but if somebody comes to my house, work or any other aspect of my life and criticises something I do I’m not going to be happy and at times I’m going to say and react in a way which can be interpreted as going to far. Why should Meat be any different to anyone of us in this aspect?

For me though, that's the point - this isn't a place where people have turned up in a part of Meat's life and started criticising, this is a place that Meat joined by choice, the same as the rest of us. Don't get me wrong, we're (sometimes) fortunate that the person the site is dedicated to visits us here, but he voluntarily registered as a member here, if he can't cope with anything less than positive then he is under no obligation whatsoever to read it. Personally, if he's not happy with the "negativity" of some of the posts here I'd really rather he chose not to read them rather than kicking off about one negative post and ignoring the numerous positive ones.

[allrevvedup]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

For me though, that's the point - this isn't a place where people have turned up in a part of Meat's life and started criticising, this is a place that Meat joined by choice, the same as the rest of us. Don't get me wrong, we're (sometimes) fortunate that the person the site is dedicated to visits us here, but he voluntarily registered as a member here, if he can't cope with anything less than positive then he is under no obligation whatsoever to read it. Personally, if he's not happy with the "negativity" of some of the posts here I'd really rather he chose not to read them rather than kicking off about one negative post and ignoring the numerous positive ones.