VBO Meat & Jim - Interesting...

Kev · 05 Sep 2008, 19:17

Just had a quick chat with one of the record company guys (not allowed to say who yet) but they're looking to buy the rights to certain songs from other companies for 'Meat Loaf - The Very Best Of... Meat & Jim'. I think the idea would be to have a 2 CD Best Of charting Meat's best songs with Jim.

Nothing much else was said and sounding like it would really just be an updated very best of... my only concern was than even though VBO was 10 years ago, there's only the Bat 3 stuff which is new Steinman stuff.

I'll keep you posted...

DazLoaf01 · 05 Sep 2008, 19:22

Very interesting! I guess they could also use over-looked stuff from the Dead Ringer album, and the odd Steinman songs from the non Bat albums. Would be insanely good if Meat recorded some "new" Jim stuff for it though.

WhenItComes2LovingU · 05 Sep 2008, 19:31

Yay, somebody's acting on something similar. A month ago, I sent a proposal to all the record companies concerned (yeah, that takes cojones for an eighteen year old to do) for a "Meat and Jim" greatest hits album that I wanted to call Bat Out of Hell 2100, after Jim's film of the same name which never came together (hey, Meat referenced "Renegade Angel" in the advertising for Bat III, so I figure let's dredge up more old titles).

Basically, Disc One would have been a two-fer of Bat I and Dead Ringer, fifteen songs; Disc Two would have been the two songs from Attitude, all of Bat II, and the two songs from WTTN, again fifteen songs; and Disc Three would have been the three songs from Very Best of ML, the seven songs from Bat III, and that left space for either five new tracks (in this case new/old Jim songs recorded by Meat, with or without Jim producing) or five previously unreleased demos of Jim songs that potentially exist that Meat has done live but not on record or neither of the two ("Dance in My Pants," "Let the Revels Begin," a reported demo of "Braver Than We Are" with Patti recorded in the 2000's, etc.).

I wouldn't press the issue with these record people, that's not my style, but this was my idea for the same release.

Evil One · 05 Sep 2008, 19:57

You do realise that Bat 2 on it's own comes to about 74 minutes?
Disc 1 would be about 90 minutes
Disc 2 would be about 99 minutes
Disc 3 would be about 69 minutes + 'five previously unreleased demos'

You do realise that the limit for commercial CD's is just under 80 minutes? More commonly 74 minutes?

**allrevvedup** · 05 Sep 2008, 20:10

i think either way you're expecting far too many spectacular things for a 2 disc album which i'm not sure meat or jim will have that much involvement in...

the less money the record company has to spend the easier it will be for them.

So look for a bog standard 2 disc meat loaf and friends type thing

RSG · 05 Sep 2008, 20:35

Imo, all them rare b sides and live tracks should be thrown into a box set

Evil One · 05 Sep 2008, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSG

Imo, all them rare b sides and live tracks should be thrown into a box set

Much more appealing idea.

daveake · 05 Sep 2008, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Much more appealing idea.

Absolutely. I entirely fail to see the point of yet-another-collection of stuff that we've all already got.

Dave

meatloaf-unofficial · 06 Sep 2008, 01:04

It sounds interesting I must admit... Perhaps some demos would be nice

- just a thought coming from a seventeen year old

Pudding · 06 Sep 2008, 03:56

As far as I'm aware there's never ever been any demo's released on one of many of the Meat Loaf compilations. At best you'll get some live recording of a song from show that's probably been released several times already.

Pud

Kev · 06 Sep 2008, 11:31

The fact they're looking to buy the rights from other companies would suggest otherwise. All the 'best of' albums out are specific to that company, either EMI or Sony. Of course they came together for the only official VBO in 98 and the album still sells well.

If it is just studio material though, there really isn't anything that we don't already have.

I'll keep pressing.

Wario · 06 Sep 2008, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

As far as I'm aware there's never ever been any demo's released on one of many of the Meat Loaf compilations. At best you'll get some live recording of a song from show that's probably been released several times already.

Pud

At my CD store I go to I saw a CD entitled "Meat Loaf: Special Girl" and It only had 4 tracks (Special girl, one more kiss, paradise and DRFL LIVE). Apparently the 1987 Wembley version of dead ringer was on their and I never picked it up. I am still kicking myself cause its 40 bucks on ebay and was $10.99 at postivley Records. So best ofs do sometimes have deleted material

samurai7 · 06 Sep 2008, 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

At my CD store I go to I saw a CD entitled "Meat Loaf: Special Girl" and It only had 4 tracks (Special girl, one more kiss, paradise and DRFL LIVE). Apparently the 1987 Wembley version of dead ringer was on their and I never picked it up. I am still kicking myself cause its 40 bucks on ebay and was $10.99 at postivley Records. So best ofs do sometimes have deleted material

that was the CD single. It's reasonably rare, as not many CD singles were sold in 1987. The live tracks are from Cornwall.

nikox1 · 07 Sep 2008, 01:03

sounds like they are planning a new greatest hits for after the new album
universal = chsib, bat 3, bull china shop, plus the old stuff, and maybe new songs aswell

**allrevvedup** · 07 Sep 2008, 12:49

I'm not getting that excited about this...if as kev says they are making moves now for the rights to the songs it would seem that they won't wait for the new album...

Unless he is going to record a couple of new songs and add it to the collection, or what have you, and then work on the new album

Evil One · 07 Sep 2008, 16:27

Or maybe that's what Bull In A China Shop is? A fancy name for a greatest hits collection with a couple of new songs?

Wario · 07 Sep 2008, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Or maybe that's what Bull In A China Shop is? A fancy name for a greatest hits collection with a couple of new songs?

Come to think of it Bull in the china shop's initials spell BITACH ..... take out the A.....

**Monstro** · 07 Sep 2008, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Bull in the china shop's initials spell BITACH ..... take out the A.....

What A?

and where'd the H come from?

Wario · 07 Sep 2008, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro

What A?

and where'd the H come from?

I like messing with people's heads

samurai7 · 07 Sep 2008, 17:19

and the T

**RadioMaster** · 07 Sep 2008, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Come to think of it Bull in the china shop's initials spell BITACH ..... take out the A.....

you REALLY have to work on your spelling

Wario · 07 Sep 2008, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by samurai7

and the T

Bull in THE china shop

Though if i were them and if this is gonna be a 2 disk set hopefully it would be something like this:

Bad For Good
You took the Words
Frying Pan
< new song >
I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us
Rock & Roll Dreams
Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad
< new song >
AFL

It's All Coming Back To Me Now
Heaven Can Wait
The Future Ain't What It Used To Be
< new Song >
Read 'Em and Weep
Paradise
FCOL
< new Song >
BOOH

INCLUDES A MAILAWAY OFFER FOR A CD THAT INCLUDES LIVE TRACKS FROM MEAT LOAF'S CASA DE CARNE TOUR!

- That seems reasonable....

**allrevvedup** · 08 Sep 2008, 01:31

wario, i still think you're missing out on the point, which is what would be the least amount of effort for the record company that will produce the most amount of money...

trust me, having to try and scope out casa de carne soundboard/cd quality songs is far too much effort for them, the sales of Bat III and 3 bats live and even CHSIB will hardly encourage them to throw all of that out there.

**RadioMaster** · 08 Sep 2008, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

wario, i still think you're missing out on the point, which is what would be the least amount of effort for the record company that will produce the most amount of money...

trust me, having to try and scope out casa de carne soundboard/cd quality songs is far too much effort for them, the sales of Bat III and 3 bats live and even CHSIB will hardly encourage them to throw all of that out there.

Also another point is if they even own the rights for the recordings (I doubt it)

05 Sep 2008, 19:17	#1
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,857	VBO Meat & Jim - Interesting... Just had a quick chat with one of the record company guys (not allowed to say who yet) but they're looking to buy the rights to certain songs from other companies for 'Meat Loaf - The Very Best Of... Meat & Jim'. I think the idea would be to have a 2 CD Best Of charting Meat's best songs with Jim. Nothing much else was said and sounding like it would really just be an updated very best of... my only concern was than even though VBO was 10 years ago, there's only the Bat 3 stuff which is new Steinman stuff. I'll keep you posted...

05 Sep 2008, 19:31	#3
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Yay, somebody's acting on something similar. A month ago, I sent a proposal to all the record companies concerned (yeah, that takes cojones for an eighteen year old to do) for a "Meat and Jim" greatest hits album that I wanted to call Bat Out of Hell 2100, after Jim's film of the same name which never came together (hey, Meat referenced "Renegade Angel" in the advertising for Bat III, so I figure let's dredge up more old titles). Basically, Disc One would have been a two-fer of Bat I and Dead Ringer, fifteen songs; Disc Two would have been the two songs from Attitude, all of Bat II, and the two songs from WTTN, again fifteen songs; and Disc Three would have been the three songs from Very Best of ML, the seven songs from Bat III, and that left space for either five new tracks (in this case new/old Jim songs recorded by Meat, with or without Jim producing) or five previously unreleased demos of Jim songs that potentially exist that Meat has done live but not on record or neither of the two ("Dance in My Pants," "Let the Revels Begin," a reported demo of "Braver Than We Are" with Patti recorded in the 2000's, etc.). I wouldn't press the issue with these record people, that's not my style, but this was my idea for the same release. Last edited by WhenItComes2LovingU; 05 Sep 2008 at 19:33. Reason: addition

05 Sep 2008, 19:22	#2
DazLoaf01 Super Loafer Join Date: 28.06.2003 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 455	Very interesting! I guess they could also use over-looked stuff from the Dead Ringer album, and the odd Steinman songs from the non Bat albums. Would be insanely good if Meat recorded some "new" Jim stuff for it though.

05 Sep 2008, 19:57	#4
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	You do realise that Bat 2 on it's own comes to about 74 minutes? Disc 1 would be about 90 minutes Disc 2 would be about 99 minutes Disc 3 would be about 69 minutes + 'five previously unreleased demos' You do realise that the limit for commercial CD's is just under 80 minutes? More commonly 74 minutes?

05 Sep 2008, 20:10	#5
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,358	i think either way you're expecting far too many spectacular things for a 2 disc album which i'm not sure meat or jim will have that much involvement in... the less money the record company has to spend the easier it will be for them. So look for a bog standard 2 disc meat loaf and friends type thing

05 Sep 2008, 20:35	#6
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Imo, all them rare b sides and live tracks should be thrown into a box set

06 Sep 2008, 01:04	#9
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	It sounds interesting I must admit... Perhaps some demos would be nice - just a thought coming from a seventeen year old

06 Sep 2008, 03:56	#10
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	As far as I'm aware there's never ever been any demo's released on one of many of the Meat Loaf compilations. At best you'll get some live recording of a song from show that's probably been released several times already. Pud

06 Sep 2008, 11:31	#11
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,857	The fact they're looking to buy the rights from other companies would suggest otherwise. All the 'best of' albums out are specific to that company, either EMI or Sony. Of course they came together for the only official VBO in 98 and the album still sells well. If it is just studio material though, there really isn't anything that we don't already have. I'll keep pressing.

07 Sep 2008, 01:03	#14
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	sounds like they are planning a new greatest hits for after the new album universal = chsib, bat 3, bull china shop, plus the old stuff, and maybe new songs aswell

07 Sep 2008, 12:49	#15
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,358	I'm not getting that excited about this...if as kev says they are making moves now for the rights to the songs it would seem that they won't wait for the new album... Unless he is going to record a couple of new songs and add it to the collection, or what have you, and then work on the new album

07 Sep 2008, 16:27	#16
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	Or maybe that's what Bull In A China Shop is? A fancy name for a greatest hits collection with a couple of new songs?

07 Sep 2008, 17:19	#20
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	and the T

08 Sep 2008, 01:31	#23
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,358	wario, i still think you're missing out on the point, which is what would be the least amount of effort for the record company that will produce the most amount of money... trust me, having to try and scope out casa de carne soundboard/cd quality songs is far too much effort for them, the sales of Bat III and 3 bats live and even CHSIB will hardly encourage them to throw all of that out there.