Trade site - Page 3

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Bollocks

You took everything I shared and offered nothing in return.

ditto

**allrevvedup** · 25 Sep 2007, 01:36

This seems like a weird argument to me because in a way both sides are wrong. At the end of the day the large majority the 'bootlegs' and video uploads that are posted across the net do not belong to anyone here but to the artist, production and/or television company, regardless of whether it is for the people.

So it seems to me that giving out about one person's illegal activity while the other person is doing the same makes no sense, whether it is for money or not.

With that said I'm as curious and keen as the everyone else when it comes to the 'rare' things that we do not always have access to and in all honesty bootlegging is as much a black market industry as pirate dvd's.

If it were me I'd say through it all out there and just go get but then there wouldn't be any money to be made off of it and hey at the end of the day that is what it is all about.

As i say I'm no angel in this regard, i've made audio cd's from dvd's for friends of mine and have bought bootleg cd's and still trawl through youtube for that rarity.

Pudding · 25 Sep 2007, 03:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

So it seems to me that giving out about one person's illegal activity while the other person is doing the same makes no sense, whether it is for money or not.

If that's the conclusion you've come to by reading the posts, then you're missing the point completely.

It's NOT about condoning or condemning the act of making or distributing bootlegs, it IS about someone getting something for free, then offering it up only as a trade and then NOT offering that traded item in return...for FREE.

In short: taking and not giving sucks.

Pud

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 09:03

Thanks Pud, that is exactly it.

Deb

evil nickname · 25 Sep 2007, 10:03

Sightly OT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

in all honesty bootlegging is as much a black market industry as pirate dvd's.

I don't think so. In a perfect world, there shouldn't be money involved in the whole bootleg (i.e. unofficial recordings of live performances, studio outtakes and other otherwise unavailable music) business. Of course there is some money involved as this isn't a perfect world, but from my experience most bootleg traders aren't in it for the money.
Pirate DVDs on the other hand are illegal copies of commercially available material, which prime intent is to generate money for the seller.

So while both are illegal activities, I don't believe they are quite that similar.

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 10:16

Thats another point. At one time (not sure if or when it changed) but Ross DID have official stuff in his trade list. Another huge no no

meatloaf-unofficial · 25 Sep 2007, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

Thats another point. At one time (not sure if or when it changed) but Ross DID have official stuff in his trade list. Another huge no no

I have to admit, I did have some of the official stuff in my list, only becuase I copieed the whole list from ana Excel file to the webpgae and then releaised afterwards that I had the official stuff on there, so I took it down! A Mistake that was corrected

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil One

Bollocks
You took everything I shared and offered nothing in return.

I have to say that I have shared more on my gforum but not now as I closed the site - read previous posts....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

I know your feelings on more than one boot from a tour Pud lol.

Yeah my main gripe here is that Ross got what he has from downloading freely on forums like this or tnw. And now he has a nice collection and all he wants to do is trade it. If we'd all done that in the first place, nothing would be available for the majority.

Trading sucks

I didn't just get most of my stuff from here or tnw - I got some stuff from torrent site (only 1 ot 2 concerts) and most of the others was from trades (ie: swops, not for money) with other fellow traders, also not set out there to sell their collection for money. Others in my collection - dvds mainly was bought via ebay and one other tradesite which that person knows is wrong by the way!

**allrevvedup** · 25 Sep 2007, 10:35

I can see this going on for a long time

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

I have to admit, I did have some of the official stuff in my list, only becuase I copieed the whole list from ana Excel file to the webpgae and then releaised afterwards that I had the official stuff on there, so I took it down! A Mistake that was corrected

I have to say that I have shared more on my gforum but not now as I closed the site - read previous posts....

I didn't just get most of my stuff from here or tnw - I got some stuff from torrent site (only 1 ot 2 concerts) and most of the others was from trades (ie: swops, not for money) with other fellow traders, also not set out there to sell their collection for money. Others in my collection - dvds mainly was bought via ebay and one other tradesite which that person knows is wrong by the way!

Originally you did get your stuff from here or tnw. Once you had stuff to trade you then gained new stuff from it. Which has been my point all along.

I've also paid for stuff in the past, ebay etc. I've even had someone make me pay £10 tio recieve wwry vegas files over msn. I then shared this freely with everyone. something I haven't seen you doing.

Ross you back track on everything and say what suits at that moment.

From now on i'm just going to share with those I trust if this craps going to happen all the time. Then i'll get slagged off for keeping stuff for just a chosen few. You can't bloody win in this stupid fandom

meatloaf-unofficial · 25 Sep 2007, 10:49

You are right, finally I think I have clicked!!! I will begin sometime to share all I have for free, well I think most of you have my collection anyways but I will.... I thinka ll this trade, one for one concert is becoming endless and maybe I needed all this to put me in the right way.... So now on I think I'll do what you do and always have done - share freely... hows that?

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 10:57

It just sounds like more of what I said above, you saying what suits at the time.

Feel free to do what you want now. I'm not here to keep putting you straight on the way to behave in this community. I have 6 kids of my own that need me doing this (not in the Meat community of course) I also have them lying to me and saying somethings not true when i know 100% it is. Them I have to sort out, you I don't.

I noticed you didn't reply to Michelles (24ks) post saying you asked her for money for something as well. Where's the apology there for basically saying i was lying over saying you asked me for money for your stuff?

Hypnobabe · 25 Sep 2007, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

Perhaps one of the minor issues here is that when several people here have put the thought and time into making the files and uploading them ready for sharing then perhaps they shouldn't be traded at all, for free or for money, as they're not yours. I know that anything I've been sent stays with me because it's not mine to pass on.

Ditto - and I only download stuff that's specifically been noted on here to be available to download - and I for one am very grateful to sites such as TNW and to Debs for allowing me to share - rest assured, someone out there appreciates all your hard work!

meatloaf-unofficial · 25 Sep 2007, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

It just sounds like more of what I said above, you saying what suits at the time.

Feel free to do what you want now. I'm not here to keep putting you straight on the way to behave in this community. I have 6 kids of my own that need me doing this (not in the Meat community of course) I also have them lying to me and saying somethings not true when i know 100% it is. Them I have to sort out, you I don't.

I noticed you didn't reply to Michelles (24ks) post saying you asked her for money for something as well. Where's the apology there for basically saying i was lying over saying you asked me for money for your stuff?

NO I didn't - I haven't ever spoken to her at all, I'm not sure if you are acciedently mixing me up with other people? A possibility? In the end, I should know whether I have asked people for maoney and I have NOT on any account done that!!! Sorry!

meatloaf-unofficial · 25 Sep 2007, 11:26

I just want to add I saw this on ebay and I have to say I am totally against selling of audio/video bootlegs at all... You should be mad at people like these, not me, I don't sell - when will you all accept it, please believe me....

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

NO I didn't - I haven't ever spoken to her at all, I'm not sure if you are acciedently mixing me up with other people? A possibility? In the end, I should know whether I have asked people for maoney and I have NOT on any account done that!!! Sorry!

Ross you are making me really mad now. I know 100% you asked me once for £5 for a show you had, which ironically turned out to be mine anyway. if it wasn't for the fact my hard drive died since then and I lost everything I would find the proof from my msn history. Don't make me go as far as getting that hard drive fixed and proving you're a liar here.

Nobody is mixing you up with anybody. it is NOT a possibilty! I'm not stupid and I know what happened. Theres plenty who I told about it at the time that can vouch for the fact i'm not losing my marbles here and you did do it.

I'm really done with you now. i've given you the benefit of the doubt more times than I can count, but to be calling me and Michelle lairs is the final straw.

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hypnobabe

Ditto - and I only download stuff that's specifically been noted on here to be available to download - and I for one am very grateful to sites such as TNW and to Debs for allowing me to share - rest assured, someone out there appreciates all your hard work!

Thank you Claire

didn't read this till after I posted my last few posts. It's nice to read something nice rather than be called a liar

meatloaf-unofficial · 25 Sep 2007, 11:34

My last word to say on this is:

a) I don't recall asking for £5 off you....
b) Clearly showing at the age of 16 - I must have something wrong as I am therefore losing my marbles, not yours then....

I am sorry to make you all mad at me....

mszee · 25 Sep 2007, 15:12

Reading this I did miss something...

I missed to say thank you for people like Deb, Pud, Jules, Terry for posting freely things to share with others...I seldom listen to bootleg...but what I did listen to I appreciated. Never occured to me to take it either...

Interesting aside...I often go to the CD/DVD, etc. show in New Jersey when it's run - I am on the list for announcement where and when it runs. Now...this is 100% legit show where you can buy stuff you can never buy anywhere else...about 80% of merchandise is bootleg traded openly...

Never bought since quality is often questionable but never questioned sales of it either...hmmm...

mszee · 25 Sep 2007, 15:17

Forgot another thing...

Deb, if you feel that it's better to share with a few rather than with many - I don't see how people can blame you...it's your business the way I see it...

**RadioMaster** · 25 Sep 2007, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

Reading this I did miss something...

I missed to say thank you for people like Deb, Pud, Jules, Terry for posting freely things to share with others...I seldom listen to bootleg...but what I did listen to I appreciated. Never occured to me to take it either...

Interesting aside...I often go to the CD/DVD, etc. show in New Jersey when it's run - I am on the list for announcement where and when it runs. Now...this is 100% legit show where you can buy stuff you can never buy anywhere else...about 80% of merchandise is bootleg traded openly...

Never bought since quality is often questionable but never questioned sales of it either...hmmm...

Bootleg sharing/trading/selling doesnt necessarily have to be illegal. It all depends on the artist's (or whoever is in charge) attitude about recording their shows.
Tenacious D for example (just popped into my mind) clearly state that they dont have a problem with anyone recording their shows (video/audio) and sharing them, as long as it isnt sold.

**Monstro** · 25 Sep 2007, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

Reading this I did miss something...

I missed to say thank you for people like Deb, Pud, Jules, Terry for posting freely things to share with others...I seldom listen to bootleg...but what I did listen to I appreciated. Never occured to me to take it either...

Big DITTO!!!!

I've been fortunate for a couple of people to SHARE their "rarer" Meat stuff with me, it's never gone further than me and I'd never think of passing it on. I do hope that this experience doesn't stop people from genuinely sharing their stuff but would completely understand if it did......would be to the loss of genuine fans though who appreciate the music for what it is and not a means of making a profit.

mszee · 25 Sep 2007, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

Bootleg sharing/trading/selling doesnt necessarily have to be illegal. It all depends on the artist's (or whoever is in charge) attitude about recording their shows.
Tenacious D for example (just popped into my mind) clearly state that they dont have a problem with anyone recording their shows (video/audio) and sharing them, as long as it isnt sold.

You should only see what is sold at that show..............

Benny · 25 Sep 2007, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro

Big DITTO!!!!

I've been fortunate for a couple of people to SHARE their "rarer" Meat stuff with me, it's never gone further than me and I'd never think of passing it on. I do hope that this experience doesn't stop people from genuinely sharing their stuff but would completely understand if it did......would be to the loss of genuine fans though who appreciate the music for what it is and not a means of making a profit.

I completely agree with you here. All the music that I have, always stay's with me, because I always appreciate the music for what it is.

LucyK! · 25 Sep 2007, 17:53

Just written a whole reply and my PC crashed so applogies for this being my quickly typed, scatty version!

As far as sharing "things" is concerned I really think it's down to the person who owns them to decide who has access to them. There are people here who very kindly share everything they get for us all to enjoy, and it's greatly appreciated, but I don't believe that just because they have them then they're obliged to share them with everyone, surely that's down to personal choice? It's not as if people here advertise what they have but then refuse to share it...

I don't think it's at all wrong for someone to share something with a few chosen people rather than sharing it with everyone...another daft example, Michael (Monstro) very kindly sent me some lovely concert photos for my birthday, so is the feeling that he should share them with everyone because he chose to share them with a selected person?

mszee · 25 Sep 2007, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

As far as sharing "things" is concerned I raelly think it's down to teh person who owns them to decide who has access to them.

This reminds me of something...oh yeah...

Lucy, otherwise, I completely agree...it is a personal choice to share or not to share...

25 Sep 2007, 11:26	#64
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	I just want to add I saw this on ebay and I have to say I am totally against selling of audio/video bootlegs at all... You should be mad at people like these, not me, I don't sell - when will you all accept it, please believe me.... Last edited by AndyK; 25 Sep 2007 at 11:32. Reason: url removed ... NO links to ebay bootleg auctions!

25 Sep 2007, 01:36	#52
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,362	This seems like a weird argument to me because in a way both sides are wrong. At the end of the day the large majority the 'bootlegs' and video uploads that are posted across the net do not belong to anyone here but to the artist, production and/or television company, regardless of whether it is for the people. So it seems to me that giving out about one person's illegal activity while the other person is doing the same makes no sense, whether it is for money or not. With that said I'm as curious and keen as the everyone else when it comes to the 'rare' things that we do not always have access to and in all honesty bootlegging is as much a black market industry as pirate dvd's. If it were me I'd say through it all out there and just go get but then there wouldn't be any money to be made off of it and hey at the end of the day that is what it is all about. As i say I'm no angel in this regard, i've made audio cd's from dvd's for friends of mine and have bought bootleg cd's and still trawl through youtube for that rarity.

25 Sep 2007, 09:03	#54
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Thanks Pud, that is exactly it. Deb

25 Sep 2007, 10:16	#56
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Thats another point. At one time (not sure if or when it changed) but Ross DID have official stuff in his trade list. Another huge no no

25 Sep 2007, 10:35	#58
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,362	I can see this going on for a long time

25 Sep 2007, 10:49	#60
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	You are right, finally I think I have clicked!!! I will begin sometime to share all I have for free, well I think most of you have my collection anyways but I will.... I thinka ll this trade, one for one concert is becoming endless and maybe I needed all this to put me in the right way.... So now on I think I'll do what you do and always have done - share freely... hows that?

25 Sep 2007, 10:57	#61
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	It just sounds like more of what I said above, you saying what suits at the time. Feel free to do what you want now. I'm not here to keep putting you straight on the way to behave in this community. I have 6 kids of my own that need me doing this (not in the Meat community of course) I also have them lying to me and saying somethings not true when i know 100% it is. Them I have to sort out, you I don't. I noticed you didn't reply to Michelles (24ks) post saying you asked her for money for something as well. Where's the apology there for basically saying i was lying over saying you asked me for money for your stuff?

25 Sep 2007, 11:34	#67
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	My last word to say on this is: a) I don't recall asking for £5 off you.... b) Clearly showing at the age of 16 - I must have something wrong as I am therefore losing my marbles, not yours then.... I am sorry to make you all mad at me....

25 Sep 2007, 15:12	#68
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Reading this I did miss something... I missed to say thank you for people like Deb, Pud, Jules, Terry for posting freely things to share with others...I seldom listen to bootleg...but what I did listen to I appreciated. Never occured to me to take it either... Interesting aside...I often go to the CD/DVD, etc. show in New Jersey when it's run - I am on the list for announcement where and when it runs. Now...this is 100% legit show where you can buy stuff you can never buy anywhere else...about 80% of merchandise is bootleg traded openly... Never bought since quality is often questionable but never questioned sales of it either...hmmm...

25 Sep 2007, 15:17	#69
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 28.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Forgot another thing... Deb, if you feel that it's better to share with a few rather than with many - I don't see how people can blame you...it's your business the way I see it...

25 Sep 2007, 17:53	#74
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Just written a whole reply and my PC crashed so applogies for this being my quickly typed, scatty version! As far as sharing "things" is concerned I really think it's down to the person who owns them to decide who has access to them. There are people here who very kindly share everything they get for us all to enjoy, and it's greatly appreciated, but I don't believe that just because they have them then they're obliged to share them with everyone, surely that's down to personal choice? It's not as if people here advertise what they have but then refuse to share it... I don't think it's at all wrong for someone to share something with a few chosen people rather than sharing it with everyone...another daft example, Michael (Monstro) very kindly sent me some lovely concert photos for my birthday, so is the feeling that he should share them with everyone because he chose to share them with a selected person?