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[Wario]

Originally Posted by wenners

I'm no longer a regular visitor or poster to this site, to be truthful I find a lot of the posts quite drab, I'd much rather spend my time with my ipod in my ear listening to music that brings me so much joy. But after doing one of my now more infrequent lurks I stumbled across this thread and became quite intrigued by the posts within it.

Now over the last few years I have been quite critical over the Meats musical direction I have more than once proclaimed my displeasure at the Monster is Loose Album,(probably the main reason I don’t come by as much) even had one or more post removed by the moderators in this time. But here is the thing, though this maybe a website run by fans and not an official Meat Loaf website it bares his name, it talks about his work in both a positive promotional sense and also in most part allows for criticism of his work.

Now I don't know about you but if somebody comes to my house, work or any other aspect of my life and criticises something I do I’m not going to be happy and at times I’m going to say and react in a way which can be interpreted as going to far. Why should Meat be any different to anyone of us in this aspect?

Though I do not like the musical direction Meat has taken I wholly respect his right to defend his work and in fact I admire his passion for doing so. If I criticises his work I would expect nothing less of him defending it in anyway shape or form and if he want to call me a plonker or worse for criticising his work or that offends him then so be it.

Now going back to this not being his site, true that this maybe but would you rather just post your posts and never get any kind of response from him.

And before someone says yeah but he could comment positively on some posts if he was to do that with some of the ass kissing posts written he would never have the time to perform, record and sing.

Wenners

One other thing I have been a fan of Meat Loaf since 1978 when I was 14 but this has no relevance to anything other than meaning I’m getting old

Point is very good.

BTW: your username is the shit. I read it as "weeners" (as in hot dogs)

[Evil One]

Hot dogs are shit unless they're made with a proper pork sausage and accompanied by a generous portion of HP brown sauce.

[allrevvedup]

but anyway back on topic, i'm sure that food thread would welcome the last post.

[wenners]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

For me though, that's the point - this isn't a place where people have turned up in a part of Meat's life and started criticising, this is a place that Meat joined by choice, the same as the rest of us. Don't get me wrong, we're (sometimes) fortunate that the person the site is dedicated to visits us here, but he voluntarily registered as a member here, if he can't cope with anything less than positive then he is under no obligation whatsoever to read it. Personally, if he's not happy with the "negativity" of some of the posts here I'd really rather he chose not to read them rather than kicking off about one negative post and ignoring the numerous positive ones.

If he couldn’t cope with receiving negative comments we all wouldn’t be here today as Bat would have never been made as it was rejected by every Tom Dick and Harry. You can't be an artist in any form of life and not be able to take criticism.

There are forums here for people to praise and criticise Meats work and he hasthe right to respond to that criticism and also the praise. Personally I find it quite refreshing that he doesn't respond to all the hero worship praise he gets on here.

If I slaughter an album or make a statement of fact about something that may have occurred or not, he has he right to say I'm talking BS and how he says that is up to him. Personally I think too many people of this world want to be mollycoddled.

Anyway is it not the case that he doesn’t respond to all negative comments because trust me I have made plenty in the past and have never had a negative response from him and yet I have received a positive message from something I once wrote.

Wenners

[duke knooby]

i agree, meat is entitled to his opinion like everyone else here, and also has the benefit of being one of the few that actually knows what happened, and can give his version of what really happened... however meat is at a disadvantage, in that he, and he alone is representing the "brand" the "charactor" the "performer" the "singer" the "actor" the "god"... whatever he is to each and everyone of us... and he's the only one here really that is selling a product, be that a cd, a show or whatever, and with marketing in mind, if nothing else, i would consider it rather unprofessional for meat to "attack" or "call out" people, posts or whatever. By all means, correct our ramblings, our stupidity etc... i love the fact you interact and answer questions and give an insight into the world of music, and its great that you are just being you... but like it or not, this is still a public platform from which we are all judged rightly or wrongly by what we have said/done.

[roomster]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

For me though, that's the point - this isn't a place where people have turned up in a part of Meat's life and started criticising, this is a place that Meat joined by choice, the same as the rest of us. Don't get me wrong, we're (sometimes) fortunate that the person the site is dedicated to visits us here, but he voluntarily registered as a member here, if he can't cope with anything less than positive then he is under no obligation whatsoever to read it. Personally, if he's not happy with the "negativity" of some of the posts here I'd really rather he chose not to read them rather than kicking off about one negative post and ignoring the numerous positive ones.

Well said.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

This is a Meat loaf fanclub. if you didn't love him and tolerate some of his aggravations you wouldn't still be here.

I don't think anyone would argue that you love Meat Loaf, in a quite disturbing way it seems, but most people aren't you and don't need to tolerate his aggravations just to be here.

Originally Posted by roomster

I think it would be in Meats self-interest so show some self-restraint when posting. My deep respect for him has not increased further after having witnessed the various rants on this forum.

I agree

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Pudding

I don't think anyone would argue that you love Meat Loaf, in a quite disturbing way it seems, but most people aren't you and don't need to tolerate his aggravations just to be here.

point taken

[Pudding]

<---THAT needs to be a permanent smilie on here.

[LucyK!]

Originally Posted by wenners

Anyway is it not the case that he doesn’t respond to all negative comments because trust me I have made plenty in the past and have never had a negative response from him and yet I have received a positive message from something I once wrote.

Wenners

I'm not saying he responds to the negative posts all the time and never to the positive ones, but unfortunately that's the case more often than not, hense this thread.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Pudding

<---THAT needs to be a permanent smilie on here.

hahaha

[Sarge]

I am sorry, but I have to add another post to this thread, since the threads it refers to have been closed. I don't think that this forum should be (ab)used to urge people to attack people on other websites, regardless of whether they deserve it or not, especially when it's done by someone who could easily do without that kind of "help". It's kind of sad that a grown man, a "fighter" can't deal with some girl on Facebook and needs to beg his supporters for assistance, asking them to do something that is just wrong. Instead of solving such matters himself in a considerate way, we are asked to give someone we don't even know "a nudge". This is a behavior I wouldn't have expected, I am shocked. I don't want a person I respect turn a fan forum into a mob supposed to be unleashed on people who have "negative" opinions.

Maybe this will be deleted, maybe I'll be banned - but it had to be said.

[24K]

I don't have a problem with it, just my opinion. On previous threads i have had to say what i needed to, whether i got banned or the thread got deleted.
So i understand why you have to say what you have, sometimes we just have to voice what we think, even if consequences will not be great. I said what i had to on here, it was no different to what i would have said to the persons face. A spade is a fuc,king spade, anyone who knows me really well knows that what you see is what you get. I am who i am, i like me and the people who love and care about me know its like it or lump it.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I don't think that this forum should be (ab)used to urge people to attack people on other websites, regardless of whether they deserve it or not

I agree. I have a Facebook account (I wonder how many are going to try and find me ) and it's very easy just to delete any shit someone posts and forget about them.

[Elijah's way]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

I'm not saying he responds to the negative posts all the time and never to the positive ones, but unfortunately that's the case more often than not, hense this thread.

Right you are

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Pudding

I agree. I have a Facebook account (I wonder how many are going to try and find me ) and it's very easy just to delete any shit someone posts and forget about them.

You seriously thought that none of us knows you have an account on facebook? Seriously?

[Monstro]

Originally Posted by mszee

You seriously thought that none of us knows you have an account on facebook? Seriously?

LINK LINK LINK we'll make him pay lol

[mariella]

Originally Posted by mszee

You seriously thought that none of us knows you have an account on facebook? Seriously?

I think attention is the middle name in all this ...
...and who wants to give a bbg ...

[suzieq]

Well, since the inception of this thread was a cry for change.....I want to comment about recent events. It has been a pleasure to see Meat pop up on threads, joking, interacting, informing, correcting and well, having fun here. I can only hope he remains comfortable doing this when his schedule permits.

I think it shows that Meat isn't responding to just the negative. So, I give recognition to nearly a month without toys being thrown in either direction and possibly a change has happened.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by suzieq

So, I give recognition to nearly a month without toys being thrown in either direction and possibly a change has happened.

Give Steve6 a few more days with his wacky ideas and I'm sure things will quickly change

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Give Steve6 a few more days with his wacky ideas and I'm sure things will quickly change

it seems steve6 is the new me

makes me wanna light stuff on fire again.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

it seems steve6 is the new me

Wario 2.0 now THAT'S scary shit

[Steve6]

I think Pudding's comment above looks rather silly to be honest. The mods deleted references to other members earlier in this thread, and still the lessons weren't learned. But I'll take it on the chin like I've been doing lately.

I never come on here to throw around wacky ideas, I'll admit I have a habit of saying things to quickly and rushing my answers, but I've always been true to myself right from the first post on this forum. As I said on a previous thread I come here to try and validate the facts I have, and there is nothing wrong with that. We have got a lot of info from Meat Loaf as regards the Bat 3 and BFG situations in recent weeks, and it's great to see answers. At least it can put the rumours to rest.

I love this site, but I do get upset with the moderators sometimes. It's very difficult to stay on topic most of the times. One recent example is the thread "is Patti is underrated" that got out of hand, and off topic because there isn't a lot you can talk about without going off topic to be fair. "Is Patti underrated" is a simple yes or no answer for a lot of people. How is it possible to stay on topic in that thread without talking about other aspects of Patti's career? I do understand why the moderators take the action they do, and I've come to accept it totally. If Meat Loaf was to visit my forum on a regular basis I'd do everything I could to make him happy and keep him coming back. So I suppose we can't be to harsh on the way this forum is run.

In my opinion Meat Loaf has a habit of overreacting to a lot of the stuff that gets written, and most of it is quiet harmless to be honest. But we can't be to judgemental because we all overract from time to time too. I just don't like seeing good posts deleted for the simple reason it won't make Meat happy or might upset him. If it's honest and fair, and written well it should be left alone. I get the feeling from posting lately that you can be outspoken so long as you write it fairly which is a great step in the right direction IMO!!!

[CarylB]

People who keep sticking their chins out tend to need to take it on the chin

And if there's nothing left to say in a thread which is on topic, there's no need to hijack it .. just stop posting .. The thread you refer to became not just off-topic but pretty out of order in the repeated references to Patti's income etc. The income of both Meat and Patti is no-one else's business, just as the income of any member here is no-one else's, and in my view it makes neither sense nor courtesy to make assumptions/statements about something both unknown and personal to the individuals.

Caryl

[LucyK!]

Exactly right Caryl, of course it's hard to stay 100% true to the thread title as conversations develop and move on, but if we're using the Patti thread as an example then it was out of hand - discussing "other aspects of Patti's career", yes. Debating her personal finances, no.

Originally Posted by Steve6

I'll admit I have a habit of saying things to quickly and rushing my answers, but I've always been true to myself right from the first post on this forum

Personally I find it's the saying things quickly and rushing responses that eventually results in the deleted posts and Mods having to take action. Rushed responses more often than not end up causing controversy which people then respond to, taking threads so far off topic that the original theme is lost. As for being true to yourself, it's a good thing and something I pride myself in doing, but there's a way to be true to yourself without offending others...again, leading to a wash of deleted posts and Mods having to issue infractions left, right and centre.