meats voice.

stewbeef · 26 Jul 2006, 01:00

there is a thread happening at the moment on the rockforum when meats voice was at his best.obviosly people are saying bat1 but i disagree.i think meats voice was at its best on the meatloaf and stoney album especialy on she waits by the window.anyone beg to differ.

TravisWRedfish · 26 Jul 2006, 01:53

Meat's voice peaked when he did the Melbourne DVD, he'll never top it...he was in top form!

stewbeef · 26 Jul 2006, 02:05

but that was without all todays technology.

Jackoutofhell · 26 Jul 2006, 02:18

Depends on what you mean. His studio vocals were at their best on Bat 1, but I didn't care for live performances around that time. My favorite live vocal period is now, especially from MSO and some of the clips I've heard from the HOTD tour.

Paul191 · 26 Jul 2006, 02:21

I also think his best live vocals are now because Ithink his voice seems a little more powerful and emotional. However, I kind of like his vocals on Dead Ringer.

**The Flying Mouse** · 26 Jul 2006, 03:04

I LOVED the Meat Loaf Live album recorded in 1987.

That is pretty damn hard to top

Blainey · 26 Jul 2006, 05:12

Bat 2, especially the opening lyrics of AFL.

Bohemian · 26 Jul 2006, 09:10

I think Bad Attitude sees Meat's voice in its prime.

Having saisd that tho, I listened to Welcome to the Neighbourhood alot when I was growing up and getting into music more than any of his other albums and so his modern stuff sounds like "Meat Loaf" to me. You know, when I conjure up the sound of Meat's voice in my head it certainly isn't his high-pitched Bat performance. It's Left in the Dark, Martha and Why Isn't That Enough?

B.

Jayd · 26 Jul 2006, 12:41

No, his voice was best in the 80's to me, especially live. But even today, his voice comes close to that. Bat 1 vocally too, was excellent.

razorball2002 · 26 Jul 2006, 13:28

To me it was the best during the 88 Tour. That was truely amazing, if you listen to love her for both of us or any other song sung on this tour. Very powerful, kind of like on the live 87 official cd. Then what I personnally like is his voice on the 2nd leg of the 94 tour, when his voice was damaged, but raw and fully of screamings and power. That was a tour... I care less for his voice now, although it is still Meat and still good. To those who think the vocals for anything on bat 2 is authentic and that heard the live recordings or live shows where you can actually hear his real voice, I have to say you're pretty naive maybe because you don't know of todays technology possibilities. In the studio you can pitch the voice, record bits and assemble these bits together. I am a singer myself, I would love to hear my voice pitched up to get an idea what it sounds like but I cannot afford it because it is pretty expensive

On anything for love he sounds like a 20 year old boy, voice 5 octave high. He was a bit older then (and he ain't younger than that now!). So don't fool yourself, this is not only meat but about any top 100 act you hear know. Wait to hear them live to know the actual voice of those artists! Even Céline Dion uses pitch on some songs!!
And to me some parts on the MSO are overdubbed, especially the beginning of Could n have said it better myself. Hear the live versions of the song taped live on tv, ain't the same.
Now, it's good to be a fan and to love Meat's work (which I do, I owe anything he ever did), but don't be naive! Any official work contains overdubs. I think on Bat 2 the less arranged vocals would be objects and lost boys. This shows the most his original voice. Which is cool by the way!

Jackoutofhell · 26 Jul 2006, 13:39

I've always known that about Bat 2, and quite frankly, I think he would have been better off without it. Not that I'm complaining, those are darn fine vocals, but I always like to hear a singer's real voice. I never realized that the songs were overdubbed on MSO.

razorball2002 · 26 Jul 2006, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Jackoutofhell

As far as I can hear, he sounds exactly like he does on the album throughout CHSIB. Not as perfect, but it's definitely the same sound, pitch, etc.

listen closely, especially the beginning! Too "clean", too "high". This is 200% studio sound. Then check the live in mexico and live party in the parck. These are non official. Sounds good... but again doesn't sound the same, as clean! Also the cryin'out loud on MSO, too clean, too high, exellent. Now I may be wrong and I know some fanatics will raise hell at me (but I take 100% responsability! I like challenges

). To those who were there, was it really 100% the same, didn't he miss even one or two note??? Please let me know, this would be interesting to know. There are a least a few people on this forum who were there in australia to witness the master of rock!

Again, every artists use pitch, overdubbs. pink floyd even agreed in an interview they used some for their 1994 PULSE live album, especially on gilmour's voice (some parts were re-recorded in a studio), so this is not to critisize Meat's work. Only to be aware and not naive.
Listen to I'd lie for you. Does anyone have a live version with the voice so high you would think he's a 20 year old 5 octavic voice?? This is OVER dubbed to the maximum, especially the choruses. He never sung it that way live. But in fact... I prefer the live versions! Especially the dramatic ends on the 96 tour. That was awsome!

Bohemian · 26 Jul 2006, 14:01

Yeah good point people should be aware that it's pretty standard practice to overdub at least a little bit on live recordings that are to be released.

Peter Gabriel is one of the most fanatical about that, but when he's so open about it you can't really feel too robbed can you??

razorball2002 · 26 Jul 2006, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bohemian

Yeah good point people should be aware that it's pretty standard practice to overdub at least a little bit on live recordings that are to be released.

Peter Gabriel is one of the most fanatical about that, but when he's so open about it you can't really feel too robbed can you??

sorry my english isn't that good i don't know what robbed means. but I think you have a good point there. overdubbs shouldn't be taboo and meat shouldn't be so shy about it. I remember in an interview to promotoe WTTN he said he never sung so good in his life. But his voice was so much better in 88 and in the 80s in general. What was that about?? Maybe he meant technology was never so good in 95, haha

He recorded that album shortly after the bat 2 tour. The bat 2 tour was intensive, night after night 3 houres show. And excuse me, but Steinman songs, which are f*ck*** hard to sing!!! So I always wondered, how can he after so many nights in a row even have a sound coming out of his voice! Hats down to Meat! But it is simply a lie as big as the man himself to say that he never sung as good as on this album (and that's the truth!).

razorball2002 · 26 Jul 2006, 15:24

i have a radio show of a wembley performance of the midnight tour. no discussing here. Meat's voice was at its HIGHEST!

Paul191 · 26 Jul 2006, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by razorball2002

listen closely, especially the beginning! Too "clean", too "high". This is 200% studio sound. Then check the live in mexico and live party in the parck. These are non official. Sounds good... but again doesn't sound the same, as clean! Also the cryin'out loud on MSO, too clean, too high, exellent. Now I may be wrong and I know some fanatics will raise hell at me (but I take 100% responsability! I like challenges

). To those who were there, was it really 100% the same, didn't he miss even one or two note??? Please let me know, this would be interesting to know. There are a least a few people on this forum who were there in australia to witness the master of rock!

Again, every artists use pitch, overdubbs. pink floyd even agreed in an interview they used some for their 1994 PULSE live album, especially on gilmour's voice (some parts were re-recorded in a studio), so this is not to critisize Meat's work. Only to be aware and not naive.
Listen to I'd lie for you. Does anyone have a live version with the voice so high you would think he's a 20 year old 5 octavic voice?? This is OVER dubbed to the maximum, especially the choruses. He never sung it that way live. But in fact... I prefer the live versions! Especially the dramatic ends on the 96 tour. That was awsome!

My dad is a Roadie and he is touring with a guy who toured with Meat all around the world last year. Beleive me, I know for a fact that his live albums were not dubbed. Every note you here Meat sing on a live recording is exactly as it sounded on the actual concert.

simon2279 · 26 Jul 2006, 16:27

on the mso dvd you can see that meat is not singing live! theres one point where he takes the mic from his mouth but his voice is still going?! ill find out which part its at.

Paul191 · 26 Jul 2006, 16:29

The artist can take the mic away from there mouth for up to half a metre and you would still be able to hear them

simon2279 · 26 Jul 2006, 16:31

ye but his mouth isnt moving!

hayley · 26 Jul 2006, 16:33

hmmm i am rather sceptical about this as i am watching the DVD right now and havent noticed anything like that anytime i have ever watched it

Paul191 · 26 Jul 2006, 16:33

ah....... I'd love it for you to tell me which part it is Simon......

simon2279 · 26 Jul 2006, 16:39

ok go to the time 53:25 and watch closley it happens at 53:31!!!!

hayley · 26 Jul 2006, 16:42

u cant even see him he is out of shot and im surre he could of moved his hand to his mouth in that space of time i really doubt that he is not singing live how can u say that when he is out of shot??

simon2279 · 26 Jul 2006, 16:42

look real close at it

hayley · 26 Jul 2006, 16:45

i am

26 Jul 2006, 01:00	#1
stewbeef Junior Loafer Join Date: 17.07.2006 Location: manchester Posts: 39	meats voice. there is a thread happening at the moment on the rockforum when meats voice was at his best.obviosly people are saying bat1 but i disagree.i think meats voice was at its best on the meatloaf and stoney album especialy on she waits by the window.anyone beg to differ.

26 Jul 2006, 13:28	#10
razorball2002 Guest Join Date: 20.03.2006 Posts: 86	Overdubbs, pitch etc To me it was the best during the 88 Tour. That was truely amazing, if you listen to love her for both of us or any other song sung on this tour. Very powerful, kind of like on the live 87 official cd. Then what I personnally like is his voice on the 2nd leg of the 94 tour, when his voice was damaged, but raw and fully of screamings and power. That was a tour... I care less for his voice now, although it is still Meat and still good. To those who think the vocals for anything on bat 2 is authentic and that heard the live recordings or live shows where you can actually hear his real voice, I have to say you're pretty naive maybe because you don't know of todays technology possibilities. In the studio you can pitch the voice, record bits and assemble these bits together. I am a singer myself, I would love to hear my voice pitched up to get an idea what it sounds like but I cannot afford it because it is pretty expensive On anything for love he sounds like a 20 year old boy, voice 5 octave high. He was a bit older then (and he ain't younger than that now!). So don't fool yourself, this is not only meat but about any top 100 act you hear know. Wait to hear them live to know the actual voice of those artists! Even Céline Dion uses pitch on some songs!! And to me some parts on the MSO are overdubbed, especially the beginning of Could n have said it better myself. Hear the live versions of the song taped live on tv, ain't the same. Now, it's good to be a fan and to love Meat's work (which I do, I owe anything he ever did), but don't be naive! Any official work contains overdubs. I think on Bat 2 the less arranged vocals would be objects and lost boys. This shows the most his original voice. Which is cool by the way!

26 Jul 2006, 15:24	#15
razorball2002 Guest Join Date: 20.03.2006 Posts: 86	meat 83 i have a radio show of a wembley performance of the midnight tour. no discussing here. Meat's voice was at its HIGHEST!

26 Jul 2006, 01:53	#2
TravisWRedfish Loafer Join Date: 24.01.2006 Posts: 70	Meat's voice peaked when he did the Melbourne DVD, he'll never top it...he was in top form!

26 Jul 2006, 02:05	#3
stewbeef Junior Loafer Join Date: 17.07.2006 Location: manchester Posts: 39	but that was without all todays technology.

26 Jul 2006, 02:18	#4
Jackoutofhell Super Loafer Join Date: 13.03.2006 Posts: 369	Depends on what you mean. His studio vocals were at their best on Bat 1, but I didn't care for live performances around that time. My favorite live vocal period is now, especially from MSO and some of the clips I've heard from the HOTD tour.

26 Jul 2006, 02:21	#5
Paul191 Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.11.2005 Location: Posts: 1,530	I also think his best live vocals are now because Ithink his voice seems a little more powerful and emotional. However, I kind of like his vocals on Dead Ringer.

26 Jul 2006, 03:04	#6
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	I LOVED the Meat Loaf Live album recorded in 1987. That is pretty damn hard to top

26 Jul 2006, 05:12	#7
Blainey Junior Loafer Join Date: 15.05.2006 Location: Cheshire Posts: 44	Bat 2, especially the opening lyrics of AFL.

26 Jul 2006, 09:10	#8
Bohemian Super Loafer Join Date: 14.11.2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 496	I think Bad Attitude sees Meat's voice in its prime. Having saisd that tho, I listened to Welcome to the Neighbourhood alot when I was growing up and getting into music more than any of his other albums and so his modern stuff sounds like "Meat Loaf" to me. You know, when I conjure up the sound of Meat's voice in my head it certainly isn't his high-pitched Bat performance. It's Left in the Dark, Martha and Why Isn't That Enough? B.

26 Jul 2006, 12:41	#9
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,314	No, his voice was best in the 80's to me, especially live. But even today, his voice comes close to that. Bat 1 vocally too, was excellent.

26 Jul 2006, 13:39	#11
Jackoutofhell Super Loafer Join Date: 13.03.2006 Posts: 369	I've always known that about Bat 2, and quite frankly, I think he would have been better off without it. Not that I'm complaining, those are darn fine vocals, but I always like to hear a singer's real voice. I never realized that the songs were overdubbed on MSO.

26 Jul 2006, 14:01	#13
Bohemian Super Loafer Join Date: 14.11.2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 496	Yeah good point people should be aware that it's pretty standard practice to overdub at least a little bit on live recordings that are to be released. Peter Gabriel is one of the most fanatical about that, but when he's so open about it you can't really feel too robbed can you??

26 Jul 2006, 16:27	#17
simon2279 Rookie Join Date: 14.05.2006 Posts: 22	on the mso dvd you can see that meat is not singing live! theres one point where he takes the mic from his mouth but his voice is still going?! ill find out which part its at.

26 Jul 2006, 16:29	#18
Paul191 Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.11.2005 Location: Posts: 1,530	The artist can take the mic away from there mouth for up to half a metre and you would still be able to hear them

26 Jul 2006, 16:31	#19
simon2279 Rookie Join Date: 14.05.2006 Posts: 22	ye but his mouth isnt moving!

26 Jul 2006, 16:33	#20
hayley Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.08.2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,088	hmmm i am rather sceptical about this as i am watching the DVD right now and havent noticed anything like that anytime i have ever watched it

26 Jul 2006, 16:39	#22
simon2279 Rookie Join Date: 14.05.2006 Posts: 22	ok go to the time 53:25 and watch closley it happens at 53:31!!!!

26 Jul 2006, 16:42	#23
hayley Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.08.2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,088	u cant even see him he is out of shot and im surre he could of moved his hand to his mouth in that space of time i really doubt that he is not singing live how can u say that when he is out of shot??

26 Jul 2006, 16:45	#25
hayley Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.08.2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,088	i am