Are Miss America and Modern Girl the same person

Ross · 28 Feb 2006, 14:26

I was listening to Meat in the car with my girlfriend (who isn't actually a big Meat fan - I know, grounds for splitting up alone.) and Modern Girl came on.

She then went on to ask me all about it. Why has he left the "former miss America?" The son and daughter are hers!! Not the new Miss America!

I thought she was over-analyzing the lyrics a bit. Lol. My take on it is that they are the same person - does anyone else have an opinion or maybe even the facts behind the lyrics?

Ross

Ageing Bat · 28 Feb 2006, 16:46

I'm probably wrong, but my 'slant' is he traded in his ageing beauty queen wife after she had kids for a newer model?

elton22 · 28 Feb 2006, 18:34

I think (hope?) that it's rather more symbolic than either of those suggestions.

I think the idea is that once, people would be very concerned with tradition, superficial beauty and social, though unwritten laws (symbolised by the Miss America and Mr Right getting married - it would be innapropriate for Miss America to marry anyone else). Now, however, this has changed, though to what we do not know. This new state is symbolised by Meat Loaf (i.e. man) and the 'Modern Girl'.

The transitional period is dealt with in some depth, "There’s a break in the chain, there’s a skip in the clock", "There’s a clash on the border, a flame in the sky", "We’re the son and the daughter on a new freeway, Laughin’ while the road maps blow away" - this last one particuarly a comment on the lost importance of rules and regulations.

Finally, the lyrcs explain the reason for this change: "the guilty ... fallen kings and queens", and the realisation that the previous scenario was flawed leads to people not wanting to make "the mistakes our fathers made".

I rather like it for this message, since it has a healthy revolutionary air to it.

No doubt, of course, the words have no meaning were chosen to scan.

L96 · 28 Feb 2006, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by elton22

I think (hope?) that it's rather more symbolic than either of those suggestions.

I think the idea is that once, people would be very concerned with tradition, superficial beauty and social, though unwritten laws (symbolised by the Miss America and Mr Right getting married - it would be innapropriate for Miss America to marry anyone else). Now, however, this has changed, though to what we do not know. This new state is symbolised by Meat Loaf (i.e. man) and the 'Modern Girl'.

The transitional period is dealt with in some depth, "There’s a break in the chain, there’s a skip in the clock", "There’s a clash on the border, a flame in the sky", "We’re the son and the daughter on a new freeway, Laughin’ while the road maps blow away" - this last one particuarly a comment on the lost importance of rules and regulations.

This could also refer to the kids doing the same things and repeating the behaviour of their parents even with the lost regulations.

**Diane** · 28 Feb 2006, 19:11

To me it's simply a teenage rebellion song about a new generation kicking against their parents established lifestyles and ideals, breaking down the barriers while searching for a new and more exciting way of life.

I see Mr. Right & Miss America as representing the parental figures ... the old school.

Whoa ... just looked out the window and it's snowing really heavily, not something we see very often in Guernsey!

Diane

PanicLord · 28 Feb 2006, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by elton22

I think (hope?) that it's rather more symbolic than either of those suggestions.

I think the idea is that once, people would be very concerned with tradition, superficial beauty and social, though unwritten laws (symbolised by the Miss America and Mr Right getting married - it would be innapropriate for Miss America to marry anyone else). Now, however, this has changed, though to what we do not know. This new state is symbolised by Meat Loaf (i.e. man) and the 'Modern Girl'.

The transitional period is dealt with in some depth, "There’s a break in the chain, there’s a skip in the clock", "There’s a clash on the border, a flame in the sky", "We’re the son and the daughter on a new freeway, Laughin’ while the road maps blow away" - this last one particuarly a comment on the lost importance of rules and regulations.

Finally, the lyrcs explain the reason for this change: "the guilty ... fallen kings and queens", and the realisation that the previous scenario was flawed leads to people not wanting to make "the mistakes our fathers made".

I rather like it for this message, since it has a healthy revolutionary air to it.

No doubt, of course, the words have no meaning were chosen to scan.

I full on agree. Nuff said.

Jaymze · 11 Mar 2006, 19:47

To me it's about not buying into someone elses mirage of false values i.e what the generation previous to them are telling the boy and the Modern Girl what is best. A true rebelious song.

**RadioMaster** · 18 Mar 2006, 20:52

Let me tell You the way I understood the lyrics:

He is searching for the perfect girlfriend for him, and she has all the good characteristics of her parents.
Once, on a stormy night, there was born the perfect girl for him, the modern girl. Her mother is a beauty queen, miss america, and her is the "Mr. Right" in person. Thatswhy she is the new, the modern girl.

Maybe i understood it in the wrong way, Im from germany and Im not looking so exactly for the lyrics.
If Im wrong, please tell me.

R. from the Thoringia-Forest

Bart · 21 Mar 2006, 00:50

To me it is just one of Meat greatest song. It is awesome and the lyrics are aewsome and the piano intro is soooo simple but so fan****ingtastic. It is Jacobs finest moment.

Mick Loaf · 21 Mar 2006, 01:40

The great thing is no-one is wrong about what they think it means, me,
I just love the song and don't have to think about what it means.

AndrewG · 21 Mar 2006, 12:23

Yes I really like that song. I also like "Where the Rubber meets the Road". I'm glad Meat has done these songs.

rockfenris2005 · 23 Mar 2006, 05:59

No offense, but a bulk of the lyrics in the Jacobs / Durkee collaborations R-R-R-EEEALY confuse me

evil nickname · 23 Mar 2006, 10:08

Quote:

Once a beautiful Miss America married Mr Right
Had a little baby girl, born on a stormy night
But that was once upon a time, now it's a brand new world

Gimme the future—gimme the future
Gimme the future with a modern girl

Once upon a time, there was this woman who was, like, *perfect*. Your typical beauty queen. She went on to marry Mr. Right, who was also *perfect*, squeaky clean, not one bad thing about them. Then, on one story night, they got the most *perfect* baby girl. Every bit as perfect as her parents combined, and then some.
But that was then, this is now, so screw you guys, I going home with somebody who's maybe not so perfect, but a lot more fun.

Or, at least, that's what I make of it.

28 Feb 2006, 14:26	#1
Ross Best Sig and Avatar 2006!!! (shared) Join Date: 25.11.2003 Location: Coatbridge near Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 3,446	Are Miss America and Modern Girl the same person I was listening to Meat in the car with my girlfriend (who isn't actually a big Meat fan - I know, grounds for splitting up alone.) and Modern Girl came on. She then went on to ask me all about it. Why has he left the "former miss America?" The son and daughter are hers!! Not the new Miss America! I thought she was over-analyzing the lyrics a bit. Lol. My take on it is that they are the same person - does anyone else have an opinion or maybe even the facts behind the lyrics? Ross

28 Feb 2006, 16:46	#2
Ageing Bat Young at heart. Slightly older in other places. Join Date: 20.11.2003 Location: Here! Posts: 1,311	I'm probably wrong, but my 'slant' is he traded in his ageing beauty queen wife after she had kids for a newer model? Last edited by AndyK; 28 Feb 2006 at 16:52. Reason: Removal of copyrighted material

28 Feb 2006, 18:34	#3
elton22 Junior Loafer Join Date: 05.02.2006 Posts: 35	I think (hope?) that it's rather more symbolic than either of those suggestions. I think the idea is that once, people would be very concerned with tradition, superficial beauty and social, though unwritten laws (symbolised by the Miss America and Mr Right getting married - it would be innapropriate for Miss America to marry anyone else). Now, however, this has changed, though to what we do not know. This new state is symbolised by Meat Loaf (i.e. man) and the 'Modern Girl'. The transitional period is dealt with in some depth, "There’s a break in the chain, there’s a skip in the clock", "There’s a clash on the border, a flame in the sky", "We’re the son and the daughter on a new freeway, Laughin’ while the road maps blow away" - this last one particuarly a comment on the lost importance of rules and regulations. Finally, the lyrcs explain the reason for this change: "the guilty ... fallen kings and queens", and the realisation that the previous scenario was flawed leads to people not wanting to make "the mistakes our fathers made". I rather like it for this message, since it has a healthy revolutionary air to it. No doubt, of course, the words have no meaning were chosen to scan.

28 Feb 2006, 19:11	#5
Diane Super Moderator Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Posts: 3,462	To me it's simply a teenage rebellion song about a new generation kicking against their parents established lifestyles and ideals, breaking down the barriers while searching for a new and more exciting way of life. I see Mr. Right & Miss America as representing the parental figures ... the old school. Whoa ... just looked out the window and it's snowing really heavily, not something we see very often in Guernsey! Diane

11 Mar 2006, 19:47	#7
Jaymze Super Loafer Join Date: 10.12.2003 Location: Sunderland Posts: 265	To me it's about not buying into someone elses mirage of false values i.e what the generation previous to them are telling the boy and the Modern Girl what is best. A true rebelious song.

18 Mar 2006, 20:52	#8
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Let me tell You the way I understood the lyrics: He is searching for the perfect girlfriend for him, and she has all the good characteristics of her parents. Once, on a stormy night, there was born the perfect girl for him, the modern girl. Her mother is a beauty queen, miss america, and her is the "Mr. Right" in person. Thatswhy she is the new, the modern girl. Maybe i understood it in the wrong way, Im from germany and Im not looking so exactly for the lyrics. If Im wrong, please tell me. R. from the Thoringia-Forest

21 Mar 2006, 00:50	#9
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	To me it is just one of Meat greatest song. It is awesome and the lyrics are aewsome and the piano intro is soooo simple but so fan****ingtastic. It is Jacobs finest moment.

21 Mar 2006, 01:40	#10
Mick Loaf Thread Killer Join Date: 10.11.2005 Location: Livingston Posts: 1,140	The great thing is no-one is wrong about what they think it means, me, I just love the song and don't have to think about what it means.

21 Mar 2006, 12:23	#11
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,081	Yes I really like that song. I also like "Where the Rubber meets the Road". I'm glad Meat has done these songs.

23 Mar 2006, 05:59	#12
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	No offense, but a bulk of the lyrics in the Jacobs / Durkee collaborations R-R-R-EEEALY confuse me