STOP ROWING PLEASE!!!!!!

airhead · 01 Mar 2004, 18:05

This is the first and it will be the last angry post i will ever do as it is out of my nature.

PLEASE STOP ARGUING! I AM FED UP WITH READING TOPICS AND EVERYONE BEING ANGRY AT EACHOTHER.

I AM FED UP WITH PEOPLE LEAVING THE FORUM BECAUSE OF BEING DRIVEN AWAY. BECAUSE OF THIS WE'VE LOST MEAT, WE'VE LOST CHRIS, AND IF IT CARRIES ON YOU'LL LOSE ME!

THIS TOPIC IS ALMOST CERTAIN TO GET LOCKED, BUT THIS IS HOW I FEEL!

Thank you. Gawd, i need a beer now. Mousie, pull a pint for us please, cause i'm your lovely glass collecter!

kaz · 01 Mar 2004, 18:08

well said, this isn't the first time a post like this has appeared and everyone agrees that the differences should be settled so maybe we should do as we preach and pray another topic like this one appears

Rob The Badger · 01 Mar 2004, 18:14

I'll stay. I got nowhere else to go. . .

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Mar 2004, 18:16

It's unlikely that everyone is going to get on

but I hope so.
Moved to Site Feedback.

kaz · 01 Mar 2004, 18:32

tolerance doesn't mean friendship but it should stop too many arguments that get out of control

original sin · 01 Mar 2004, 19:10

airhead - I can quite see why you feel the need to do this poll.
At the moment in the way it's worded I'm sorry i cannot vote one way or the other.
Perosnally I think the root cause needs to be addressed which is - do we as members of the Meat Loaf UK Fan Club forum want to read or be part of unnecessary critiques of Meat work and efforts and if they do appear here what do we do sit back and hold out tongues?

dottie · 01 Mar 2004, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob The Badger

I'll stay. I got nowhere else to go. . .

This is my home also..................My refuge.....................

I'll still be here when I'm 65 years young

(if your have me)

Heli · 01 Mar 2004, 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob The Badger

I'll stay. I got nowhere else to go. . .

This is my home also..................My refuge.....................

I'll still be here when I'm 65 years young

(if your have me)

This is my home and this is my family and I don't want anything more or anything less!!! All I want is you guys here to whisk me away from the real world!! Some of the nicest, generous and caring people are on here and I don't want that to be taken away!! All of this nonsense is noones fault but our own!! I love you all, even if noone feels the same!!

Keep Rocking · 01 Mar 2004, 21:36

I'm relatively new to this forum. But I don't want to miss it just for one day. I know when I come here I will find everything: laughing, friends, people who understand me (and always a cold beer at the Bat & Bellfry

),...
I don't like the argueing which is going on for the last weeks. But I hope it will stop at some time

And hopefully Meat, Chris and others will come back.

Yvonne

heat · 01 Mar 2004, 23:44

I have voted No in this poll.

Quote:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

I noticed that my NO vote is, so far, the only one. But sometimes a person must just go with the unpopular choice. I'm not going to say yes just in case i rock the boat by saying what i really feel.

There are things going on in these forums that, to be honest i'm pretty annoyed and angered with. I undersatnd that everybody can't get on all of the time - and that's fine by me - but i think that this is not one of the times when a group hug and sickly sweet good sentiments can make things instantly better.

My nan once told me that i should be true to myself and then i'd be false to no-one, and this is one of those times. If i make myself unpopular for saying what i realy feel - so be it - but at least i'll know that my concience is clear.

airhead · 01 Mar 2004, 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by heat

I have voted No in this poll.

Quote:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

I noticed that my NO vote is, so far, the only one. But sometimes a person must just go with the unpopular choice. I'm not going to say yes just in case i rock the boat by saying what i really feel.

There are things going on in these forums that, to be honest i'm pretty annoyed and angered with. I undersatnd that everybody can't get on all of the time - and that's fine by me - but i think that this is not one of the times when a group hug and sickly sweet good sentiments can make things instantly better.

My nan once told me that i should be true to myself and then i'd be false to no-one, and this is one of those times. If i make myself unpopular for saying what i realy feel - so be it - but at least i'll know that my concience is clear.

Heat i respect your opinion. It is your choice as with others. But the prob is because people are starting to drift away and i don't want to see that happen. I no a group hug doesn't sort out stuff straight away (and belive me, i know) but If people just wanted to row, then do it through pm. Not through the boards because it's bringing others down.

heat · 02 Mar 2004, 00:09

IMHO people are always going to be transient on this board. That's just life. Yes, it brings people down when there are arguments and disagreements, but that again is life.

I don't think the focus should be on the fact that people are disagreeing and not getting on - as i said before, that is a part of any community - but more so on how and IF these arguments can be resolved. Do you honestly think it's better to sweep these simmering tensions under the carpet and leave them there to fester, then to try and get to the bottom of them and find out what's really going on?

IMO - and this is just that - part of the problem is that people have always been too happy to say 'well...lets just forget all about it and move on' and when you do that you create a whole shedload of unresolved issues that, over time, start to eat away at people, thus creating a circle of unease and unrest. And i think that some of these are finally beginning to surface now.

I know i'm not speaking for the majority here - i'm probably speaking for my lonley minority - but that's ok.

CarolM · 02 Mar 2004, 00:14

first Meat

now Chris,

all i can say is WTF is happening on here lately,ever heard the song thats what friends are for by Dionne Warwick

, if you havent

listen to the words

these words sum up just how much are friends mean to us on here, and were slowly losing them one by one

this is such a shame

cu soon Carol. xxx

Deb · 02 Mar 2004, 01:49

I vote no as well Heat, for mostly the same reasons as you, so you're not alone. Theres much more to all this than meets the eye and just hoping if everyone shuts up and pretends its not happening, it'll go away, isnt gonna work, everytime theres a disagreement its coming back to the same underlying problems. They need to be addressed and dealt with, then there may just be some hope.

Deb

Winston · 02 Mar 2004, 01:55

I voted no aswell. A group hug and lets agree to disagree aint gonna work. As deb says the problems need to be address...and one rule for one and one rule for everybody else is not the way to go.

**The Flying Mouse** · 02 Mar 2004, 02:30

Addressing the problem is fine, but first we have to define it in a civil manner.

As I see it, there are two basic schools of thought here.

1.People who have their opinion, and feel they have a right to express that opinion, be it good or bad and reguardless of who reads it.

2.People who refuse to accept any negative opinion as this is a Meat Loaf fan club, and therfor is not the apropiate place to critisise him.

Arguments will only stop on this forum if one of the following two things happen.

1.The people who wish to air their negative views do not post them here.

2.The people who do not want to read negative reviews ignore anything posted that they don't like.

That's it in a nutshell.
I for one don't think that either of these solutions are going to happen

LostSoul · 02 Mar 2004, 02:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by original sin

Perosnally I think the root cause needs to be addressed which is - do we as members of the Meat Loaf UK Fan Club forum want to read or be part of unnecessary critiques of Meat work and efforts and if they do appear here what do we do sit back and hold out tongues?

Didn't vote either for the same reason.

Right Mousie, that's a 'dead end'!

Patricia

Deb · 02 Mar 2004, 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Addressing the problem is fine, but first we have to define it in a civil manner.

As I see it, there are two basic schools of thought here.

1.People who have their opinion, and feel they have a right to express that opinion, be it good or bad and reguardless of who reads it.

2.People who refuse to accept any negative opinion as this is a Meat Loaf fan club, and therfor is not the apropiate place to critisise him.

Arguments will only stop on this forum if one of the following two things happen.

1.The people who wish to air their negative views do not post them here.

2.The people who do not want to read negative reviews ignore anything posted that they don't like.

That's it in a nutshell.
I for one don't think that either of these solutions are going to happen

Theres also those of us in neither catagory

DIZZY DRUMMER · 02 Mar 2004, 09:25

Heat wrote:

Quote:

IMO - and this is just that - part of the problem is that people have always been too happy to say 'well...lets just forget all about it and move on' and when you do that you create a whole shedload of unresolved issues that, over time, start to eat away at people, thus creating a circle of unease and unrest. And i think that some of these are finally beginning to surface now.

I agree with this statement, people have been holding back, but have now had enough or the nit picking, not just of Meat, but others as well.

We come here to have fun, meet/get to know new people. Talk about what Maet is up to, his music etc. Yes - it is a place for constructive conversation BUT not insults

**The Flying Mouse** · 02 Mar 2004, 09:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by sultonfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Addressing the problem is fine, but first we have to define it in a civil manner.

As I see it, there are two basic schools of thought here.

1.People who have their opinion, and feel they have a right to express that opinion, be it good or bad and reguardless of who reads it.

2.People who refuse to accept any negative opinion as this is a Meat Loaf fan club, and therfor is not the apropiate place to critisise him.

Arguments will only stop on this forum if one of the following two things happen.

1.The people who wish to air their negative views do not post them here.

2.The people who do not want to read negative reviews ignore anything posted that they don't like.

That's it in a nutshell.
I for one don't think that either of these solutions are going to happen

Theres also those of us in neither catagory

No, but there are enough people who fall into one category or the other, and IMHO it's the conflict between the two groups that is causing the problem.

Deb · 02 Mar 2004, 09:51

i dunno theres a fair few of us in the middle who are pretty opinionated as well and dont agree with some of the extremes either side

Deb

edit = spelling T button sticking

plukie · 02 Mar 2004, 10:03

I was interested to see this post. This is the main reason that I don't post here very often, there is far too much sniping going on, people arguing over things that cannot possibly be resolved, like who is the best tribute act etc. That is personal choice, people are always going to disagree. I have a look around here most days, but to be honest the whole thing is really boring. There is far too much bickering going on and I don't profess to have the answers, banning people obviously doesn't work, because they can come back under a different name. I can think of a few people who haven't been around for a long time on here, and it is such a shame to see the site get deeper and deeper into oblivion. I don't think it is going to get solved though and by locking threads where postings have a strong opinion is only going to fuel the fire. Just my thoughts on this subject. I didn't bother to vote, because I really don't see a solution.

Michel · 02 Mar 2004, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

It's unlikely that everyone is going to get on

but I hope so.
Moved to Site Feedback.

I hope it also, Mouse. :)

**The Flying Mouse** · 02 Mar 2004, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

It's unlikely that everyone is going to get on

but I hope so.
Moved to Site Feedback.

I hope it also, Mouse. :)

Must say i'm not too hopeful Michel

Solutions?Hell, we can't even agree on what the problem is now

Still, the sugestion that people not respond to posts they don't like, and give the mods a chance to do their job before a flame war starts is a good one

I hope it works out

heat · 02 Mar 2004, 22:46

Mousie - no disrespect intended here, hun...

But IMHO the problem is the fact that if the Mods had done thier jobs in the first place then we wouldn't have all this crap going on now.

Seems like a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted now...

View Poll Results: Should we settle our differences and just get on?
Yes	23	82.14%
No	5	17.86%
Voters: 28. You may not vote on this poll

01 Mar 2004, 18:05	#1
airhead the enchanted spleen Join Date: 12.02.2004 Location: ok, you see that sweet little cottage? I live next door in the nuthouse. Posts: 1,909	STOP ROWING PLEASE!!!!!! This is the first and it will be the last angry post i will ever do as it is out of my nature. PLEASE STOP ARGUING! I AM FED UP WITH READING TOPICS AND EVERYONE BEING ANGRY AT EACHOTHER. I AM FED UP WITH PEOPLE LEAVING THE FORUM BECAUSE OF BEING DRIVEN AWAY. BECAUSE OF THIS WE'VE LOST MEAT, WE'VE LOST CHRIS, AND IF IT CARRIES ON YOU'LL LOSE ME! THIS TOPIC IS ALMOST CERTAIN TO GET LOCKED, BUT THIS IS HOW I FEEL! Thank you. Gawd, i need a beer now. Mousie, pull a pint for us please, cause i'm your lovely glass collecter!

01 Mar 2004, 18:08	#2
kaz Super Loafer Join Date: 12.11.2003 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 243	well said, this isn't the first time a post like this has appeared and everyone agrees that the differences should be settled so maybe we should do as we preach and pray another topic like this one appears

01 Mar 2004, 18:14	#3
Rob The Badger Too sexy for this post Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,895	I'll stay. I got nowhere else to go. . .

01 Mar 2004, 18:16	#4
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	It's unlikely that everyone is going to get on but I hope so. Moved to Site Feedback.

01 Mar 2004, 18:32	#5
kaz Super Loafer Join Date: 12.11.2003 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 243	tolerance doesn't mean friendship but it should stop too many arguments that get out of control

01 Mar 2004, 19:10	#6
original sin Sinner Join Date: 15.04.2003 Location: cyber space Posts: 2,457	airhead - I can quite see why you feel the need to do this poll. At the moment in the way it's worded I'm sorry i cannot vote one way or the other. Perosnally I think the root cause needs to be addressed which is - do we as members of the Meat Loaf UK Fan Club forum want to read or be part of unnecessary critiques of Meat work and efforts and if they do appear here what do we do sit back and hold out tongues?

01 Mar 2004, 21:36	#9
Keep Rocking Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Sitting on the steps outside, looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 820	I'm relatively new to this forum. But I don't want to miss it just for one day. I know when I come here I will find everything: laughing, friends, people who understand me (and always a cold beer at the Bat & Bellfry ),... I don't like the argueing which is going on for the last weeks. But I hope it will stop at some time And hopefully Meat, Chris and others will come back. Yvonne

02 Mar 2004, 00:09	#12
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	IMHO people are always going to be transient on this board. That's just life. Yes, it brings people down when there are arguments and disagreements, but that again is life. I don't think the focus should be on the fact that people are disagreeing and not getting on - as i said before, that is a part of any community - but more so on how and IF these arguments can be resolved. Do you honestly think it's better to sweep these simmering tensions under the carpet and leave them there to fester, then to try and get to the bottom of them and find out what's really going on? IMO - and this is just that - part of the problem is that people have always been too happy to say 'well...lets just forget all about it and move on' and when you do that you create a whole shedload of unresolved issues that, over time, start to eat away at people, thus creating a circle of unease and unrest. And i think that some of these are finally beginning to surface now. I know i'm not speaking for the majority here - i'm probably speaking for my lonley minority - but that's ok.

02 Mar 2004, 00:14	#13
CarolM Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2003 Location: Near The End Of The Line Posts: 1,498	first Meat now Chris, all i can say is WTF is happening on here lately,ever heard the song thats what friends are for by Dionne Warwick , if you havent listen to the words these words sum up just how much are friends mean to us on here, and were slowly losing them one by one this is such a shame cu soon Carol. xxx

02 Mar 2004, 01:49	#14
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	I vote no as well Heat, for mostly the same reasons as you, so you're not alone. Theres much more to all this than meets the eye and just hoping if everyone shuts up and pretends its not happening, it'll go away, isnt gonna work, everytime theres a disagreement its coming back to the same underlying problems. They need to be addressed and dealt with, then there may just be some hope. Deb

02 Mar 2004, 01:55	#15
Winston Super Loafer Join Date: 02.04.2003 Location: Lion's Den Posts: 745	I voted no aswell. A group hug and lets agree to disagree aint gonna work. As deb says the problems need to be address...and one rule for one and one rule for everybody else is not the way to go.

02 Mar 2004, 02:30	#16
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Addressing the problem is fine, but first we have to define it in a civil manner. As I see it, there are two basic schools of thought here. 1.People who have their opinion, and feel they have a right to express that opinion, be it good or bad and reguardless of who reads it. 2.People who refuse to accept any negative opinion as this is a Meat Loaf fan club, and therfor is not the apropiate place to critisise him. Arguments will only stop on this forum if one of the following two things happen. 1.The people who wish to air their negative views do not post them here. 2.The people who do not want to read negative reviews ignore anything posted that they don't like. That's it in a nutshell. I for one don't think that either of these solutions are going to happen

02 Mar 2004, 09:51	#21
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	i dunno theres a fair few of us in the middle who are pretty opinionated as well and dont agree with some of the extremes either side Deb edit = spelling T button sticking

02 Mar 2004, 10:03	#22
plukie Senior Loafer Join Date: 18.07.2003 Location: Plymouth, Devon Posts: 199	I was interested to see this post. This is the main reason that I don't post here very often, there is far too much sniping going on, people arguing over things that cannot possibly be resolved, like who is the best tribute act etc. That is personal choice, people are always going to disagree. I have a look around here most days, but to be honest the whole thing is really boring. There is far too much bickering going on and I don't profess to have the answers, banning people obviously doesn't work, because they can come back under a different name. I can think of a few people who haven't been around for a long time on here, and it is such a shame to see the site get deeper and deeper into oblivion. I don't think it is going to get solved though and by locking threads where postings have a strong opinion is only going to fuel the fire. Just my thoughts on this subject. I didn't bother to vote, because I really don't see a solution.

02 Mar 2004, 22:46	#25
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	Mousie - no disrespect intended here, hun... But IMHO the problem is the fact that if the Mods had done thier jobs in the first place then we wouldn't have all this crap going on now. Seems like a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted now...