BOOTLEG THREADS

Dave · 22 Jan 2004, 19:31

NEVER AGAIN ON THIS BOARD!!!

OR

* P O O F *

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!

CarylB · 22 Jan 2004, 19:38

Thanks David for acting on my concerns about this thread. I felt strongly that the forum would not want to be seen as endorsing or advertising this in any way.

Wezzie · 23 Jan 2004, 07:31

Did I miss something here???? Or did that idiot post here too?

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 07:51

No Wez, I would not say so. Someone noticed and asked if it was legal to offer such a tape for sale, not in any kind of approving way, but the url was included and I felt this was not probably a sound idea. There was no suggestion that we should bid on it, but it did draw attention to something which would rightly upset Meat and would provide a straight path to any unscrupulous visitor who saw it.

Mouse doesn't have authority to remove posts and suggested I wrote to R, SueW or David, although I thought Sue would be nailed in front of the stage at Wembley tonight :) David kindly obliged, and removed not only the link but also the short thread which was for the best imo.

**The Flying Mouse** · 23 Jan 2004, 07:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

Mouse doesn't have authority to remove posts

Not in General Messages anyway

.

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 08:06

Indeed .. and that saves me having to edit my post :)

Pudding · 23 Jan 2004, 08:33

Well I'm all confused about what went on

Pud

Dave · 23 Jan 2004, 13:26

Well, I am here to put my foot down and say that I will PERSONALLY remove any threads about bootlegs that I see in the GENERAL topic of this forum.

ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!

R. · 23 Jan 2004, 13:30

Don't delete them, just move them (you know where to where).

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 14:18

Now I'm confused! Particularly if the "where to" is the dreaded Fight Club.

This started with someone questioning the legality of a bootleg being offered for sale, but as the post included a link to it I wrote to Mouse who was around, suggesting that the link should perhaps be removed lest the forum were seen to be endorsing it by providing a swift route straight there. Mouse points out that I need to speak to David, SueW or R. I write to David, pretty confident that SueW will be en route to Wembley and quite possibly R also. David takes quick action. I thank him.

Wez wonders whether this was started by the bootlegger who advertised their sale ln several threads on the OIFC boards. I explained that I thought not; this was just an innocent query from a member here. Pud is puzzled because the thread that is left doesn't really give a clear idea of what went on, but David imo made a wise decision to remove what had been said as it would still have directed people to the sale (one which has been reported to Meat, who has read the pm, and his management, and which I hope will be be stopped.)

No arguments, no fights, no harsh words; just Meat supporters being concerned and taking responsible actions to protect his interests as best they can imo.

Gez · 23 Jan 2004, 14:27

Changing Topic.

DavidMD, you are now 666

Bart · 23 Jan 2004, 14:28

Doesn't we all have some bootlegs or aren't we all interested in bootlegs? Is this not kinda hypocrite? Os do I say silly things?

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 14:41

You're not being silly to ask Bart. But this was an illegally obtained recording and a serious breach of the law.

Deb · 23 Jan 2004, 15:05

A lot of bands and a lot of fans like bootlegs, Im not saying Meat does for one sec. But Lots have been known to tell the fans to turn their tapes on at shows, So I wouldnt say it was such a bad thing, just depends who's view you're looking at. To a lot of fans, the shows live on through bootlegs. Paying for them is different.

Just my opinion

PS : theres a lot of things in this world that are illegal and I'm sure most have us have done them at some time or other :) Life would be pretty boring otherwise

PPS lol... In fact most of our pix that everyone enjoys technically shouldnt be allowed, all tickets and venues usually say no cameras, but it doesnt stop us all sneaking them in

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 16:00

I take all your points .. but I think to secretly record a concert and offer it to the highest bidder crosses the line .. particularly as Meat and the band go to a great deal of trouble to get the sound right, and a home bootleg is likely to fall far short of their exacting and professional mark.

I'll stick to the concert living on in my memory :) .. and look forward to a professionally produced DVD from Oz

Dave · 23 Jan 2004, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

Now I'm confused! Particularly if the "where to" is the dreaded Fight Club.

Caryl, calm down and do not worry so much. I was doing my mod duties while at work and did not whereto this thread to the proper place, because I must mod when the boss is not around (LOL~!!!).

There is a time and a place for everything, and the whereto should most likely be left up to the mods on the board to decide.

I think that I have a pretty good idea of whereto these threads and as a mod, you can sleep well at night knowing I will whereto them to the whereto with haste.

ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 16:16

I'm perfectly calm David .. wherever did you get the idea I wasn't? I was just responding to R's post on the thread. It was posted on the forum, and I read replies on a thread I am posting on. The "where to" was confusing, as the only likely place apparent to those of us who are not Moderators seemed to be Fight Club.

But I can be calm despite being unclear as to what is being referred to .. :) So I assume "where to" is a place where items can be removed from public gaze and discussion without deleting them so a record is still held.

Deb · 23 Jan 2004, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

I take all your points .. but I think to secretly record a concert and offer it to the highest bidder crosses the line .. particularly as Meat and the band go to a great deal of trouble to get the sound right, and a home bootleg is likely to fall far short of their exacting and professional mark.

I'll stick to the concert living on in my memory :) .. and look forward to a professionally produced DVD from Oz

yeah I don't agree with selling them for profit, but even cds and postage cost money.

Well my memory with 5 kids and one on the way isnt up to what it was, especially when i've seen 14 shows this tour and 3 more to go. So a bootleg or 2 would certainly help me remember all them special moments

used for the right reasons, I think they arent a bad thing. But I would also prefer the real thing, although most bands usual dont show the whole thing

Deb

ChrisBelfast · 23 Jan 2004, 17:21

Meat keeps posting how he has all the audio tapes from each show...with making people pay for meatloaf.net why doesnt he put some of these up as mp3s on the new site - that would give people a motive to pay. Live webcasts from Australia would be cool too. Just ideas but i really think meat would make a fortune by uploading his audio tapes - even just a couple of tracks - so we can download them of him!

Dave · 23 Jan 2004, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

I'm perfectly calm David ...

Then why did you hop on here and question the judgement of the forum administrator?

R notified me of whereto this type of thread and I understood. This is not something that required any type of response from anyone other than myself.

I took your input as questioning the competency of R in this matter. Sometimes whereto is on a need to know basis. If whereto this type of thread (according to R) is Fight Club then so be it, if it is to be moved somewhere else so be that as well.

R is a very reliable administrator for these forums and I fully trust his judgement in all matters - more often than I trust my own.

I will not justify this matter with any further conversation, other than to say that at present, R is the absolute best and most fair forum administrator in the Meat Loaf Online Community and I shall never act without his explicit direction in the future.

'Nuff Said!

ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 18:05

Quote:

I took your input as questioning the competency of R in this matter.

I wouldn't dream of questioning Rainer's competency. Just asking a question in response to a public post which I was trying to make sense of.

Still calm :)

Chaos · 23 Jan 2004, 20:10

I fully support any action taken against people trying to peddle bootlegs on an official site. They have a brass neck to even attempt it. As if we're going to disrespect the man we love by buying dodgy copies of his gigs on his own site.

CarylB · 23 Jan 2004, 21:54

Eloquently put Chaos .. from my thoughts to your fingers :) Although I'd say again that the thread started here innocently, but I know you post on he OIFC board where the bootlegger had posted again and again, and from whence it was taken smartly down. As you say, it's one helluva cheek to peddle illicit tapes on Meat's own site. Somewhat like a fence putting notices about dodgy gear on a police station noticeboard .. impertinent and rather daft!!

**SueW** · 24 Jan 2004, 03:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarylB

although I thought Sue would be nailed in front of the stage at Wembley tonight :)

I had no idea last weekend I had upset Meat Loaf so much for him to do that to me!!!!

CarylB · 24 Jan 2004, 03:53

Quote:

I had no idea last weekend I had upset Meat Loaf so much for him to do that to me!!!!

I have every confidence that Kasim would leap gallantly from the stage before it got to that Sue :)

22 Jan 2004, 19:31	#1
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	BOOTLEG THREADS NEVER AGAIN ON THIS BOARD!!! OR * P O O F * THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!

22 Jan 2004, 19:38	#2
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Thanks David for acting on my concerns about this thread. I felt strongly that the forum would not want to be seen as endorsing or advertising this in any way.

23 Jan 2004, 07:31	#3
Wezzie Rookie Join Date: 07.02.2003 Posts: 20	Did I miss something here???? Or did that idiot post here too?

23 Jan 2004, 07:51	#4
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	No Wez, I would not say so. Someone noticed and asked if it was legal to offer such a tape for sale, not in any kind of approving way, but the url was included and I felt this was not probably a sound idea. There was no suggestion that we should bid on it, but it did draw attention to something which would rightly upset Meat and would provide a straight path to any unscrupulous visitor who saw it. Mouse doesn't have authority to remove posts and suggested I wrote to R, SueW or David, although I thought Sue would be nailed in front of the stage at Wembley tonight :) David kindly obliged, and removed not only the link but also the short thread which was for the best imo.

23 Jan 2004, 08:06	#6
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Indeed .. and that saves me having to edit my post :)

23 Jan 2004, 08:33	#7
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Well I'm all confused about what went on Pud

23 Jan 2004, 13:26	#8
Dave Mega Loafer Join Date: 12.04.2002 Location: Southern Ohio - United States of America Posts: 2,564	Well, I am here to put my foot down and say that I will PERSONALLY remove any threads about bootlegs that I see in the GENERAL topic of this forum. ROCK ON GOOD TIMES!!!

23 Jan 2004, 13:30	#9
R. You dig. Join Date: 02.04.2002 Location: On the fothermucker Posts: 7,179	Don't delete them, just move them (you know where to where).

23 Jan 2004, 14:18	#10
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Now I'm confused! Particularly if the "where to" is the dreaded Fight Club. This started with someone questioning the legality of a bootleg being offered for sale, but as the post included a link to it I wrote to Mouse who was around, suggesting that the link should perhaps be removed lest the forum were seen to be endorsing it by providing a swift route straight there. Mouse points out that I need to speak to David, SueW or R. I write to David, pretty confident that SueW will be en route to Wembley and quite possibly R also. David takes quick action. I thank him. Wez wonders whether this was started by the bootlegger who advertised their sale ln several threads on the OIFC boards. I explained that I thought not; this was just an innocent query from a member here. Pud is puzzled because the thread that is left doesn't really give a clear idea of what went on, but David imo made a wise decision to remove what had been said as it would still have directed people to the sale (one which has been reported to Meat, who has read the pm, and his management, and which I hope will be be stopped.) No arguments, no fights, no harsh words; just Meat supporters being concerned and taking responsible actions to protect his interests as best they can imo.

23 Jan 2004, 14:27	#11
Gez Knicker thief Join Date: 17.04.2003 Location: auch...not on the fence Posts: 5,636	Changing Topic. DavidMD, you are now 666

23 Jan 2004, 14:28	#12
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Doesn't we all have some bootlegs or aren't we all interested in bootlegs? Is this not kinda hypocrite? Os do I say silly things?

23 Jan 2004, 14:41	#13
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	You're not being silly to ask Bart. But this was an illegally obtained recording and a serious breach of the law.

23 Jan 2004, 15:05	#14
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	A lot of bands and a lot of fans like bootlegs, Im not saying Meat does for one sec. But Lots have been known to tell the fans to turn their tapes on at shows, So I wouldnt say it was such a bad thing, just depends who's view you're looking at. To a lot of fans, the shows live on through bootlegs. Paying for them is different. Just my opinion PS : theres a lot of things in this world that are illegal and I'm sure most have us have done them at some time or other :) Life would be pretty boring otherwise PPS lol... In fact most of our pix that everyone enjoys technically shouldnt be allowed, all tickets and venues usually say no cameras, but it doesnt stop us all sneaking them in

23 Jan 2004, 16:00	#15
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I take all your points .. but I think to secretly record a concert and offer it to the highest bidder crosses the line .. particularly as Meat and the band go to a great deal of trouble to get the sound right, and a home bootleg is likely to fall far short of their exacting and professional mark. I'll stick to the concert living on in my memory :) .. and look forward to a professionally produced DVD from Oz

23 Jan 2004, 16:16	#17
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	I'm perfectly calm David .. wherever did you get the idea I wasn't? I was just responding to R's post on the thread. It was posted on the forum, and I read replies on a thread I am posting on. The "where to" was confusing, as the only likely place apparent to those of us who are not Moderators seemed to be Fight Club. But I can be calm despite being unclear as to what is being referred to .. :) So I assume "where to" is a place where items can be removed from public gaze and discussion without deleting them so a record is still held.

23 Jan 2004, 17:21	#19
ChrisBelfast Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.02.2003 Location: Posts: 1,061	Meat keeps posting how he has all the audio tapes from each show...with making people pay for meatloaf.net why doesnt he put some of these up as mp3s on the new site - that would give people a motive to pay. Live webcasts from Australia would be cool too. Just ideas but i really think meat would make a fortune by uploading his audio tapes - even just a couple of tracks - so we can download them of him!

23 Jan 2004, 20:10	#22
Chaos Loafer Join Date: 03.12.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 56	I fully support any action taken against people trying to peddle bootlegs on an official site. They have a brass neck to even attempt it. As if we're going to disrespect the man we love by buying dodgy copies of his gigs on his own site.

23 Jan 2004, 21:54	#23
CarylB Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.04.2003 Location: Sheffield UK Posts: 5,910	Eloquently put Chaos .. from my thoughts to your fingers :) Although I'd say again that the thread started here innocently, but I know you post on he OIFC board where the bootlegger had posted again and again, and from whence it was taken smartly down. As you say, it's one helluva cheek to peddle illicit tapes on Meat's own site. Somewhat like a fence putting notices about dodgy gear on a police station noticeboard .. impertinent and rather daft!!