The Vault (or Lack Thereof?)

Mr. Happy · 07 May 2013, 15:44

So I was just on YouTube, listening to a couple of songs I don't have in my iTunes (such as Lost Love and a couple of other b-sides), and I found myself wondering how deep Meat's vault is in regards to unreleased songs. I know there are artists who have released albums dedicated towards giving songs that never saw the light of day (such as Bon Jovi's "1mil Fans Can't Be Wrong" or Bruce Springsteen's "Tracks") to the world, but when I put that into context with Meat, I realised that I really just don't know enough about the song selection and recording process Meat goes through to know if something like this is realistic. I mean...

How many songs are considered when constructing an album? Are they all fully composed, or are they just ideas with the best ones being realised into the pieces we know? Are they all recorded, finalised or not, or were the b-sides released at the time of their album all there is? Are the original demos of songs kept / do they still exist? Were those demos recorded at a high enough standard that they could potentially see a release one day?

That's where I hit a brick wall when speculating. I doubt there's anyone here who could confirm anything beside Meat or Paul, but I thought there might be interviews he's commented in that are relevant, or articles, or whatever, that someone might be knowledgeable of. I'm sure it's been discussed before, but would anyone have any idea if a release like this is potentially possible?

What's in the vault?

Evil One · 07 May 2013, 15:51

Off the top of my head I think there was a song recorded for Bat 3 called I Wanna Be With You or something similar that never saw the light of day.

dalearmstrong18 · 07 May 2013, 15:55

I remember watching an interview with him and rob cavello on the 3rd disc of HCTB super deluxe edition and meat said that they went in to the studio with 30 songs and narrowed it down to only 3 out of that 30 because they felt the other 27 were for a different kind of album. HCTB has 13 tracks so then thats obviously another 10 that they have to get from songwriters. Also im sure meats said before that jim steinman keeps practically novels of songs so he is bound to have recorded tonnes of unheard steinman tracks.. So some of the tracks that didnt make it on to HCTB couldve made it on to HIAHB or maybe some will pop up on Brave and Crazy or they will just never see the light of day.
Its a great question though. Imagine such a rare meat loaf gem !!

Wario · 07 May 2013, 17:38

He does in fact have stuff. Believe me.

wolfy35 · 07 May 2013, 17:56

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Originally Posted by Wario

He does in fact have stuff. Believe me.

If Wario says he has stuff I would tend to believe him.

Evil One · 07 May 2013, 18:11

Wario's sources are never wrong.

AndrewG · 07 May 2013, 18:14

Maybe he sold it all on eBay along with his collection of flying pigs.

Wario already has blueprint drawings of what the vault looks like here.

MarkS · 07 May 2013, 19:40

I recall during the HCTB recording process that Meat said that they were receding a new "party/dance" song that was being co written by Rick Brantley and James Michael. That too has not seemed to materialize, If it was indeed recorded

Wario · 07 May 2013, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Wario's sources are never wrong.

Well meats said he has a "little folder".....

And he has said he has stuff he has yet to go through.

**Monstro** · 07 May 2013, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Wario

Well meats said he has a "little folder".....

And he has said he has stuff he has yet to go through.

I think the OP was asking if there is somewhere a collection of recorded but unreleased songs that could possibly be released in an album format. I don't think the OP meant a collection of possible songs in a folder that for some reason never recorded.

Elijah's way · 07 May 2013, 21:21

There's a song called Shadow Lands from the CHSIB sessions that has never seen the light of day. I've always wanted to hear it because the title sounds intriguing.

AndrewG · 07 May 2013, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Elijah's way

There's a song called Shadow Lands from the CHSIB sessions that has never seen the light of day. I've always wanted to hear it because the title sounds intriguing.

Apparently it is this one.
Proof here.

Sounds like an unfinished Springsteen song to me.

YouTube Video

Elijah's way · 08 May 2013, 02:21

Ok I'm glad Meat never released it lol I was thinking it was something more dark like Don't Leave Your Mark On Me

Mr. Happy · 08 May 2013, 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro

I think the OP was asking if there is somewhere a collection of recorded but unreleased songs that could possibly be released in an album format. I don't think the OP meant a collection of possible songs in a folder that for some reason never recorded.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but yes, this is what I meant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wario

Well meats said he has a "little folder".....

And he has said he has stuff he has yet to go through.

But what does a "little folder" consist of? Fully recorded songs? Songs that have been lying around forever but never used, unrecorded, like Elvis in Vegas was?

I'd like to think that he recorded thirty songs worth of outtakes for every album that may find their way to us one day, but the realism factor in that is more than a little questionable. Hence the topic

Evil Ernie · 08 May 2013, 07:52

I'd like to hear everything. Good and Bad.

*cough* Renegade Angel *cough*

renegadeangel · 08 May 2013, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I'd like to hear everything. Good and Bad.

*cough* Renegade Angel *cough*

Song doesn't exist as a recorded song yet. Jim says he is still working on it.
BAD ATTITUDE for example had a few extra songs that were replaced by Paul Jacobs/Sarah Durkee songs, which were far superior.
On the flip side we have Lost Love that never made it to MATLAF and Prize Fight Lover that was left off HCTB. Both are great songs that should have been on the their respective albums, in my opinion

Evil One · 08 May 2013, 13:42

Renegade Angel morphed into Objects In The Rear View Mirror

AndrewG · 08 May 2013, 13:51

I wonder if any songs were completely lost when Steinman had his notebook stolen. Furthermore I wonder what the hell happened to it, if someone actually has it or it just got dumped eventually.

Evil One · 08 May 2013, 13:55

I think it's fair to assume that Desmond Child never had it.

Ollie241189 · 08 May 2013, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wario

He does in fact have stuff. Believe me.

How do you know this Wario?

Wario · 08 May 2013, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Ollie241189

How do you know this Wario?

I was referring to live stuff not outtakes.

Adje · 08 May 2013, 18:02

You people seem to forget that Wario is also 'The Penguin'.

If someone knows about these vaults it must be him...

renegadeangel · 08 May 2013, 18:04

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Renegade Angel morphed into Objects In The Rear View Mirror

Really? How do you know this? Just curious

Wario · 08 May 2013, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

Really? How do you know this? Just curious

Its obvious from the demo I think. I remember the comparison awhile back.

AndrewG · 08 May 2013, 18:37

What demo?

07 May 2013, 15:44	#1
Mr. Happy Guest Join Date: 13.02.2010 Location: Posts: 736	The Vault (or Lack Thereof?) So I was just on YouTube, listening to a couple of songs I don't have in my iTunes (such as Lost Love and a couple of other b-sides), and I found myself wondering how deep Meat's vault is in regards to unreleased songs. I know there are artists who have released albums dedicated towards giving songs that never saw the light of day (such as Bon Jovi's "1mil Fans Can't Be Wrong" or Bruce Springsteen's "Tracks") to the world, but when I put that into context with Meat, I realised that I really just don't know enough about the song selection and recording process Meat goes through to know if something like this is realistic. I mean... How many songs are considered when constructing an album? Are they all fully composed, or are they just ideas with the best ones being realised into the pieces we know? Are they all recorded, finalised or not, or were the b-sides released at the time of their album all there is? Are the original demos of songs kept / do they still exist? Were those demos recorded at a high enough standard that they could potentially see a release one day? That's where I hit a brick wall when speculating. I doubt there's anyone here who could confirm anything beside Meat or Paul, but I thought there might be interviews he's commented in that are relevant, or articles, or whatever, that someone might be knowledgeable of. I'm sure it's been discussed before, but would anyone have any idea if a release like this is potentially possible? What's in the vault?

07 May 2013, 15:55	#3
dalearmstrong18 Loafer Join Date: 04.05.2013 Location: belfast Posts: 57	I remember watching an interview with him and rob cavello on the 3rd disc of HCTB super deluxe edition and meat said that they went in to the studio with 30 songs and narrowed it down to only 3 out of that 30 because they felt the other 27 were for a different kind of album. HCTB has 13 tracks so then thats obviously another 10 that they have to get from songwriters. Also im sure meats said before that jim steinman keeps practically novels of songs so he is bound to have recorded tonnes of unheard steinman tracks.. So some of the tracks that didnt make it on to HCTB couldve made it on to HIAHB or maybe some will pop up on Brave and Crazy or they will just never see the light of day. Its a great question though. Imagine such a rare meat loaf gem !! Last edited by dalearmstrong18; 07 May 2013 at 16:03.

07 May 2013, 18:14	#7
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Maybe he sold it all on eBay along with his collection of flying pigs. Wario already has blueprint drawings of what the vault looks like here. Last edited by AndrewG; 07 May 2013 at 18:23.

07 May 2013, 15:51	#2
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Off the top of my head I think there was a song recorded for Bat 3 called I Wanna Be With You or something similar that never saw the light of day.

07 May 2013, 17:38	#4
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	He does in fact have stuff. Believe me.

07 May 2013, 18:11	#6
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Wario's sources are never wrong.

07 May 2013, 19:40	#8
MarkS Super Loafer Join Date: 20.03.2012 Posts: 312	I recall during the HCTB recording process that Meat said that they were receding a new "party/dance" song that was being co written by Rick Brantley and James Michael. That too has not seemed to materialize, If it was indeed recorded

07 May 2013, 21:21	#11
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	There's a song called Shadow Lands from the CHSIB sessions that has never seen the light of day. I've always wanted to hear it because the title sounds intriguing.

08 May 2013, 02:21	#13
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	Ok I'm glad Meat never released it lol I was thinking it was something more dark like Don't Leave Your Mark On Me

08 May 2013, 07:52	#15
Evil Ernie Super Loafer Join Date: 03.06.2011 Posts: 667	I'd like to hear everything. Good and Bad. cough Renegade Angel cough

08 May 2013, 13:42	#17
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Renegade Angel morphed into Objects In The Rear View Mirror

08 May 2013, 13:51	#18
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	I wonder if any songs were completely lost when Steinman had his notebook stolen. Furthermore I wonder what the hell happened to it, if someone actually has it or it just got dumped eventually.

08 May 2013, 13:55	#19
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I think it's fair to assume that Desmond Child never had it.

08 May 2013, 18:02	#22
Adje trying to be realistic Join Date: 28.09.2007 Location: Posts: 1,959	You people seem to forget that Wario is also 'The Penguin'. If someone knows about these vaults it must be him...

08 May 2013, 18:37	#25
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	What demo?