It's All Coming Back duet with Katherine McPhee

[robgomm]

Hey guys, I have to admit I never saw this performance until now, and I remember there was something about it at the time? Didn't Katherine McPhee criticise Meat or something and be a complete bitch?

I don't get it, I watched the video for the first time and I actually thought it was a really strong tv performance by Meat, really well done. I didn't hear any fluffed notes or anything. Like I say I don't get it. Let's talk about how good this performance was. Definitely one of the better tv ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9xGP5fJm-0

[Evil One]

It wasn't a good performance at all and did Meat's promotion of Bat 3 in the US no favours. There's like an inteview somewhere like where McPhee like slags off Meat for being like intense and reveals that she had like no clue who Meat was before like they met.

[CarylB]

It wasn't a bad performance at all in my view; given the time constraints and the lack of performing chemistry between Meat and McPhee, it was a good performance from Meat. The start wasn't as he would have wanted it, but he wasn't getting anything through his cans which made it very difficult, and these shows always impose time constraints on great songs that do the songs no favours, which in turn weakens the overall impact of the performance imo.

But Evil's right in saying Katherine McPhee was pretty dismissive of Meat in a later interview, and did say she'd never heard of him, which is more an indictment of her as than it is of Meat's reputation. You'd expect young artists on canvass to have heard of Monet, Picasso, Warhol etc and have studied their work, and respect it even if their artistic take was different; time was, young musical artists would have heard of the greats in modern music and taken an interest in them even if they decided they wanted to do differently, just as Meat when he was young had heard and listened to the greats in popular music and rock. But that was back when you worked over time to get yourself known, rather than expect a talent show to propel you to success in a few short weeks. Still, I doubt McPhee will have the sustained success over decades that Meat has achieved

Caryl

[Mr. Happy]

That was NOT a good performance, by any stretch of the imagination, and to me is possibly the worst performance I've seen on this side of the century. Meat was so flat that it dragged her down with him, and at times (particularly at the start) it looks like his earpiece isn't even working, he's so out of time. She WAS completely out of line with her criticisms, though. "Complete bitch" is a horrible understatement She deserves to be tarred and feathered for the way she mocked Meat in that interview.

Originally Posted by CarylB

Still, I doubt McPhee will have the sustained success over decades that Meat has achieved

If it wasn't for this performance, I wouldn't even know she existed. Has she had any success AT ALL yet? :P

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by CarylB

It wasn't a bad performance at all in my view; given the time constraints and the lack of performing chemistry between Meat and McPhee, it was a good performance from Meat. The start wasn't as he would have wanted it, but he wasn't getting anything through his cans which made it very difficult, and these shows always impose time constraints on great songs that do the songs no favours, which in turn weakens the overall impact of the performance imo.

But Evil's right in saying Katherine McPhee was pretty dismissive of Meat in a later interview, and did say she'd never heard of him, which is more an indictment of her as than it is of Meat's reputation. You'd expect young artists on canvass to have heard of Monet, Picasso, Warhol etc and have studied their work, and respect it even if their artistic take was different; time was, young musical artists would have heard of the greats in modern music and taken an interest in them even if they decided they wanted to do differently, just as Meat when he was young had heard and listened to the greats in popular music and rock. But that was back when you worked over time to get yourself known, rather than expect a talent show to propel you to success in a few short weeks. Still, I doubt McPhee will have the sustained success over decades that Meat has achieved

Caryl

Agree completely. Guess it's just a matter of opinion but I thought it was a strong performance.

There seems to be a bit of a tendancy around here for anything related to Bat 3 to be automatically written off as terrible, just because of the problems of that era and Meats feelings on it himself. Some people seem to think that they would be a terrible fan if they didn't hate everything from that period. I think this is wrong. Despite the problems, despite Meats feelings, Meat produced some fine performances during this ear and I am fed up of people trying to take that away from him.

[Mr. Happy]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Agree completely. Guess it's just a matter of opinion but I thought it was a strong performance.

There seems to be a bit of a tendancy around here for anything related to Bat 3 to be automatically written off as terrible, just because of the problems of that era and Meats feelings on it himself. Some people seem to think that they would be a terrible fan if they didn't hate everything from that period. I think this is wrong. Despite the problems, despite Meats feelings, Meat produced some fine performances during this ear and I am fed up of people trying to take that away from him.

I don't like it because I don't like it, not because Meat said so. He was sick at the time and it really shows in a lot of the performances. It's painful to watch because it looks like HE is in pain. That's not to say it was all bad, but you're lying to yourself if you think that Meat was performing at the top of his game every night. I don't think it's fair to say that everyone who doesn't like that period is biased, because I don't think that's true at all.

A while back (it might still be there, actually), Wario had the Royal Albert Hall performance from the 3 Bats Live tour up on his channel. I thought THAT performance was incredible. Objects in particular, that night, was probably my favourite performance ever of the song. So that quite possibly blows this theory out of the water (in my case, at least) :P I'm not going to sugarcoat a review of something I didn't enjoy, but I will give credit where it's due. I think that that is the mindset that a lot of people adopt :)

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

I don't like it because I don't like it, not because Meat said so. He was sick at the time and it really shows in a lot of the performances. It's painful to watch because it looks like HE is in pain. That's not to say it was all bad, but you're lying to yourself if you think that Meat was performing at the top of his game every night. I don't think it's fair to say that everyone who doesn't like that period is biased, because I don't think that's true at all.

A while back (it might still be there, actually), Wario had the Royal Albert Hall performance from the 3 Bats Live tour up on his channel. I thought THAT performance was incredible. Objects in particular, that night, was probably my favourite performance ever of the song. So that quite possibly blows this theory out of the water (in my case, at least) :P

Well I didn't mean everyone and i'm pleased to hear you say that. And of course I don't think he was on top of his game every night, I never said that.

[CarylB]

and at times (particularly at the start) it looks like his earpiece isn't even working,

Which is what I said. That made it incredibly difficult at the start, and had to have had some effect throughout. It certainly wasn't a great performance, but I disagree absolutely that it was as some suggest.

I agree there's a tendency for much of anything related to Bat3 to be heavily criticised here. It wasn't Meat's best time, he was exhausted, stressed, and eventually the vocal cyst became apparent. But he gave many great performances over a sustained period. The RAH was superb, he sang his ass off and the atmosphere was amazing. But he also sang his ass off in many shows on that tour which I attended, and to virtually write off that time and that tour as some seem to is imo to diminish what he delivered.

Caryl

[Mr. Happy]

Originally Posted by robgomm

Well I didn't mean everyone and i'm pleased to hear you say that. And of course I don't think he was on top of his game every night, I never said that.

I know, I'm just saying that people don't "automatically write it off" for whatever reason. They actually legitimately don't like it, and as sad as it is, that's actually a reasonable point of view judging from some of the performances of the time. And it's these performances that seem to get publicised, for whatever reason. It's not fair to just say that they're wrong because they're "just trying not to be a terrible fan," because it's dismissing what are valid opinions. As long as they're being respectful when they say it, there's nothing wrong with people saying they don't like something.

Sorry if it seems like I'm having a go at you, Rob, because I'm not trying to. I just find it odd that some people here just instantly dismiss negative opinions as if they're not even remotely accurate. For this time period in particular, it's an understandable mindset.

Originally Posted by CarylB

Which is what I said.

Sorry, you posted as I was writing up my own one. I didn't see it until after I pressed "Submit Reply" :P

[melon]

You mean Katnip mcfetalbrain?

[2jaxx]

It's actually not as bad as I remember it to be. I think Meat is in tune most of the time.

[Wario]

passion > Voice

[mtaylor315]

I quite liked it actually. The beginning was a little shaky in my opinion, but after that I thought it was good

[nikox1]

mcphee went on to sell 12,000 albums!!!!! just 99,988,000 less than Meat!!

[melon]

Originally Posted by nikox1

mcphee went on to sell 12,000 albums!!!!! just 99,988,000 less than Meat!!

So she was close then?

[GDW]

One word or seven it was crap

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

I know, I'm just saying that people don't "automatically write it off" for whatever reason. They actually legitimately don't like it, and as sad as it is, that's actually a reasonable point of view judging from some of the performances of the time. And it's these performances that seem to get publicised, for whatever reason. It's not fair to just say that they're wrong because they're "just trying not to be a terrible fan," because it's dismissing what are valid opinions. As long as they're being respectful when they say it, there's nothing wrong with people saying they don't like something.

Sorry if it seems like I'm having a go at you, Rob, because I'm not trying to. I just find it odd that some people here just instantly dismiss negative opinions as if they're not even remotely accurate. For this time period in particular, it's an understandable mindset.



Sorry, you posted as I was writing up my own one. I didn't see it until after I pressed "Submit Reply" :P

Yeah I know you're not having a go at me, i respect that i really do. But I do believe there are some people on here that DO automatically write a Bat 3 era performance off. It just disappoints me that's all. And like Caryl people don't give him credit for producing some good performances during what was one of the most difficult times of his life. It's just sad.

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I agree there's a tendency for much of anything related to Bat3 to be heavily criticised here. It wasn't Meat's best time, he was exhausted, stressed, and eventually the vocal cyst became apparent. But he gave many great performances over a sustained period. The RAH was superb, he sang his ass off and the atmosphere was amazing. But he also sang his ass off in many shows on that tour which I attended, and to virtually write off that time and that tour as some seem to is imo to diminish what he delivered.

Caryl

Exactly!

[Smithie]

How did she and Meat get paired together anyway? I thought the contestants choose who they duet with in the finale.

[The Flying Mouse]

We had a discussion about that interview a while ago in General Messages.

The original posting of the interview vid is here.................

Originally Posted by Steingirl

I think the comments Katherine McPhee made are really disrespectful, but she made them, so everyone should hear them. This is the reason I never enjoy guest performers. They are just briefly passing through and they don't get Meat at all. I have great respect for Patti and the NLE who commit 100% and who are invested in it for the long haul. Meat is a legend and he deserves respect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJjA...eature=related

And I still stand by my comments at the time.............

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

She didn't know what he looks like, whereas i'm sure Meat knew what the fu*k she looked like, her being so damn famous and successful.

That frumpy older man has sold a shit load of records, and still has a fan base that stretches across the world and includes all ages from kids to pentioners.

Perhaps he was nervous because he was singing with a rank amateur, who doesn't know the difference between singing a song and performing one.
She couldn't handle the fact that Meat got into the song rather than stood there just singing the words.

She should get some respect, and stop saying "like"!

Oh, plus the fact that she looked way too eager to please, and the easiest way to do that is to show a shocking ammount of disrespect to get cheap laughs.
Not very classy IMHO.

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by nikox1

mcphee went on to sell 12,000 albums!!!!! just 99,988,000 less than Meat!!

Lol!

I actually thought it was a very good performance by Meat on rewatching it just. A couple of minor issues because of the non working earpieces but otherwise excellent.

[Sue K]

Katherine McPhee's name kept popping up on tv all weekend... I can't even remember for what, but I kept thinking I knew the name from somewhere and it had something to do with Meat ... THERE ya go ! Thanks, guys !!!

It was AI, right ? Count me as still pished Meat was on it as I never watch and HAD to ... ... lol ...

S ... xo

[Evil One]

Meat seemed to have difficulty with this song a few times. He made a hash of the beginning on the Ken Bruce show as well.

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by Evil One

Meat seemed to have difficulty with this song a few times. He made a hash of the beginning on the Ken Bruce show as well.

Hey there, Evil-1. Is this the American Idol performance being discussed ? I remember Meat being on .Net that day telling fans how nervous he was.

[Evil One]

Yes