acronyms.

**The Flying Mouse** · 05 Aug 2008, 22:51

Am I the only one who often finds myself trying to remember Meat's entire back catalogue because another obscure acronym has been used and i'm left racking my brains trying to remember which song is which?

Bat, Paradise, Lemon, I'll Kill You, All Coming Back, Sailor To Siren, these don't take very long to type out and are perfectly clear to anyone who is aware the song exsists, so can we please drop some of the more elaborate and obscure acronyms?

Poll added to gage feedback.

**RadioMaster** · 05 Aug 2008, 23:22

IMO its not a case if acronyms are existing or not.
It's rather a case of using them in the right context.

If youre talking to a newbie who isnt familiar with the Meat Loaf world, then using acronyms like IACBTMN, CHSIB or WTTN might be a bit out of tune.
But amongst a group of 'insiders' what speaks against it?
And lets not make the situation more difficult than it is. 99% of the acronyms are understood by the vast majority, and if its easier to write BOOH then Bat out of Hell, wny dont do it?
It's only i guess about 5% of the times that un-understandable acronyms are posted. And even if so, a little bit of thinking doesnt hurt anyone

and worst case theres stlll a list with most of the ML world acronyms flying around somewhere....

**The Flying Mouse** · 05 Aug 2008, 23:49

It's an open forum RJ.
When posting you are talking to EVERYONE newbie or not.
In fact newbies might be put off posting when confronted by a thread with terminology they don't understand.

And it's not just newbies.
I've been a Meat Loaf fan for a couple of years now and I still go black sometimes when faced with an obscure acronym.

Yes, there IS a list, but I don't want to have to go back constantly to check against some list to keep up with the convo.

Makes things far less fun IMO.

SamCat · 05 Aug 2008, 23:56

Theres a list!! No one told me there was a list!!! I end up looking at the cds trying to work it out lol!!

Deb · 06 Aug 2008, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Makes things far less fun IMO.

LOL sorry but had to laugh seeing an acronym from you in a thread about not liking them Neil

**The Flying Mouse** · 06 Aug 2008, 00:23

What can I say, George Orwell had me down to a T

~Helen~ · 06 Aug 2008, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

LOL sorry but had to laugh seeing an acronym from you in a thread about not liking them Neil

Lol! Good point Deb

In MY opinion, acronyms for Meat's better known tracks, like AFL / BOOH are fine but it took a good scour of iTunes for me to figure out what you meant by WAL...however I got used to it in the end. I guess if you don't mind the scouring of CD cases or iTunes / hunting for the acronyms thread [which I can never find...and why is the word acronym so long btw?] / or admitting in the thread you haven't a clue what people are talking about then it's not so bad and you'll learn eventually, but I agree obscure acronyms can get a bit frustrating sometimes. People will always talk in acronyms tho - I remember at one point having to ask people what btw, imo, pmsl, afk, lol, lmao and so on and so forth meant...and those aren't things specific to the Meat forum.

If most of you started talking to me about your work I probably wouldn't understand you either as you probably use a whole host of acronyms you don't even realise you use. I work in Community Safety and recently emailed a friend saying I had witnessed an 'rta' - a term in common use in my workplace. Didn't realise until she asked me that 'rta' meant nothing and certainly not 'road traffic accident' in my friend's world.

Actually thinking about this...acronyms make posts shorter....so no, I don't like them

Pudding · 06 Aug 2008, 00:37

I don't mind acronyms it's bad spelling that pisses me off.

Pud

AndrewG · 06 Aug 2008, 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I don't mind acronyms it's bad spelling that pisses me off.

Pud

CHSIB
Culdent Haf Sayd It Bettr

~Helen~ · 06 Aug 2008, 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

I don't mind acronyms it's bad spelling that pisses me off.

Pud

Even better....typos of acronyms

**RadioMaster** · 06 Aug 2008, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

It's an open forum RJ.
When posting you are talking to EVERYONE newbie or not.
In fact newbies might be put off posting when confronted by a thread with terminology they don't understand.

good point...

Quote:

And it's not just newbies.
I've been a Meat Loaf fan for a couple of years now and I still go black sometimes when faced with an obscure acronym.

theoretically I agree with you, only that I think it's not as big a problem as you make it.
it happens very rarely that acronyms are used that are either obscure or not obvious from the context. IF you dont understand an acronym that's annoying, but honestly, how often does that happen?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Helen~

I work in Community Safety

So YOU'RE the one! Stop suing Meat!!

btw, the Acronym list is stickied under general messages.

**Monstro** · 06 Aug 2008, 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Helen~

I work in Community Safety

Go on... admit it...

You're a traffic warden aren't you

*AndyK* · 06 Aug 2008, 12:52

So are you asking if mlukfc should stop using acronyms?

SamCat · 06 Aug 2008, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro

Go on... admit it...

You're a traffic warden aren't you

They are called Parking Attendants now lol!!

LucyK! · 06 Aug 2008, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyK

So are you asking if mlukfc should stop using acronyms?

YTTWROOMM!

I really don't see the problem...I take on board that everyone should be able to take part in conversations but most songs are shortened to one or two words, and those that aren't are pretty obvious, there's very few that a Meat fan couldn't work out and I'm sure if they couldn't no-one would have an issue asking what it meant

**RadioMaster** · 06 Aug 2008, 13:08

CHSIB Lucy

~Helen~ · 06 Aug 2008, 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

So YOU'RE the one! Stop suing Meat!!

nope

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro

Go on... admit it...

You're a traffic warden aren't you

and nope

I'm actually tech support for town wardens. Who have nothing to do with Parking. As I repeatedly tell members of the public on a daily basis. So nerr.

**allrevvedup** · 07 Aug 2008, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Helen~

I'm actually tech support for town wardens. Who have nothing to do with Parking. As I repeatedly tell members of the public on a daily basis. So nerr.

And I'm a representative agent of the PayPal Resolution Services department for all UK phone and email customers...try getting an acronym out of that...nerr indeed

The one acronym i would gladly ban the use of is CHSIB...that one is used so much in here and in other meat loaf related places that it can drives me nuts and i would gladly shoot it or it's representative out of a cannon to stop its use.

as for other ones I'm not really bothered to be honest for the longer song titles, i think it takes less time to type out of the name of the song then to work out the acronym for it.

ILTBAHAJ
H
KD
ED
PL
WYSIWYG
WHTSN
etc

It takes longer to think about those and they are just a few short song title examples...especially H!

~Helen~ · 07 Aug 2008, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

as for other ones I'm not really bothered to be honest for the longer song titles, i think it takes less time to type out of the name of the song then to work out the acronym for it.

ILTBAHAJ
H
KD
ED
PL
WYSIWYG
WHTSN
etc

It takes longer to think about those and they are just a few short song title examples...especially H!

Was that posted to agree with the thread or to get us all to agree...coz if people start posting things like that they need to be banned*...without thinking about it I could only get one of them. Then I had to wrack my brain some further, I think PL would technically be TPL? ED and KD took a scour of iTunes, and I have no idea about H and ILTBAHAJ...so help!

HA! It's like one of those quizzes where it's combinations of letters and numbers and you have to guess the well known phrase or saying!

*Edit: that's the acronyms that'd need banning, not the author of such posts...tho maybe that should be a case by case basis

**RadioMaster** · 07 Aug 2008, 22:46

ILTBAHAJ - Id love to be as Heavy as Jesus
H - Heroes
KD - Keep Driving
ED - Execution Day
PL - Promised Land
WYSIWYG - What you see is what you get
WHTSN - you took the Words right out of my mouth HoT Summer Night
etc - et cetera

what did I win?

**allrevvedup** · 07 Aug 2008, 22:49

I was doing it to show how crazy it can get but anyway, the answers you cry

ILTBAHAJ (I'd love to be as heavy as Jesus)
H (Hello, a tough one but from Popcorn Blizzard)
KD (Keep driving from MATLAF OR Midnight at the lost and found as I call it)
ED (Execution Day, from Blind before I stop)
PL (OK it could have been the promised land)
WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get)
WHTSN (whatever happened to saturday night)

My point is that after a while these stretch it just slightly and it would be better sometimes just describing them briefly such as lemon, all revved up, rock n roll dreams, paradise, etc

**RadioMaster** · 07 Aug 2008, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

My point is that after a while these stretch it just slightly and it would be better sometimes just describing them briefly such as lemon, all revved up, rock n roll dreams, paradise, etc

Which is what is done in 99% of the time.
To be honest, I fail to see the problem here.

~Helen~ · 07 Aug 2008, 22:58

that both of you took different song titles to be represented by the ambiguous 'H'

but yep, I agree, I don't think people do abbreviate THAT often nor more importantly, to that extent, or maybe I'm just used to what the abbreviations mean and stopped noticing now.

**allrevvedup** · 07 Aug 2008, 23:46

should heroes not be a time for heroes?

**RadioMaster** · 07 Aug 2008, 23:51

the compilation mine was on says just Heroes

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05 Aug 2008, 22:51	#1
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	acronyms. Am I the only one who often finds myself trying to remember Meat's entire back catalogue because another obscure acronym has been used and i'm left racking my brains trying to remember which song is which? Bat, Paradise, Lemon, I'll Kill You, All Coming Back, Sailor To Siren, these don't take very long to type out and are perfectly clear to anyone who is aware the song exsists, so can we please drop some of the more elaborate and obscure acronyms? Poll added to gage feedback.

05 Aug 2008, 23:22	#2
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	IMO its not a case if acronyms are existing or not. It's rather a case of using them in the right context. If youre talking to a newbie who isnt familiar with the Meat Loaf world, then using acronyms like IACBTMN, CHSIB or WTTN might be a bit out of tune. But amongst a group of 'insiders' what speaks against it? And lets not make the situation more difficult than it is. 99% of the acronyms are understood by the vast majority, and if its easier to write BOOH then Bat out of Hell, wny dont do it? It's only i guess about 5% of the times that un-understandable acronyms are posted. And even if so, a little bit of thinking doesnt hurt anyone and worst case theres stlll a list with most of the ML world acronyms flying around somewhere....

05 Aug 2008, 23:49	#3
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	It's an open forum RJ. When posting you are talking to EVERYONE newbie or not. In fact newbies might be put off posting when confronted by a thread with terminology they don't understand. And it's not just newbies. I've been a Meat Loaf fan for a couple of years now and I still go black sometimes when faced with an obscure acronym. Yes, there IS a list, but I don't want to have to go back constantly to check against some list to keep up with the convo. Makes things far less fun IMO.

05 Aug 2008, 23:56	#4
SamCat Hello Harry!!!! Join Date: 12.09.2006 Location: London Posts: 3,086	Theres a list!! No one told me there was a list!!! I end up looking at the cds trying to work it out lol!!

06 Aug 2008, 00:23	#6
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	What can I say, George Orwell had me down to a T

06 Aug 2008, 00:37	#8
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I don't mind acronyms it's bad spelling that pisses me off. Pud

06 Aug 2008, 12:52	#13
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	So are you asking if mlukfc should stop using acronyms?

06 Aug 2008, 13:08	#16
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	CHSIB Lucy

07 Aug 2008, 22:46	#20
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	ILTBAHAJ - Id love to be as Heavy as Jesus H - Heroes KD - Keep Driving ED - Execution Day PL - Promised Land WYSIWYG - What you see is what you get WHTSN - you took the Words right out of my mouth HoT Summer Night etc - et cetera what did I win?

07 Aug 2008, 22:49	#21
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	I was doing it to show how crazy it can get but anyway, the answers you cry ILTBAHAJ (I'd love to be as heavy as Jesus) H (Hello, a tough one but from Popcorn Blizzard) KD (Keep driving from MATLAF OR Midnight at the lost and found as I call it) ED (Execution Day, from Blind before I stop) PL (OK it could have been the promised land) WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) WHTSN (whatever happened to saturday night) My point is that after a while these stretch it just slightly and it would be better sometimes just describing them briefly such as lemon, all revved up, rock n roll dreams, paradise, etc

07 Aug 2008, 22:58	#23
~Helen~ Mega Loafer Join Date: 01.11.2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,958	that both of you took different song titles to be represented by the ambiguous 'H' but yep, I agree, I don't think people do abbreviate THAT often nor more importantly, to that extent, or maybe I'm just used to what the abbreviations mean and stopped noticing now.

07 Aug 2008, 23:46	#24
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,357	should heroes not be a time for heroes?

07 Aug 2008, 23:51	#25
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	the compilation mine was on says just Heroes