The Original BBIS Masters ....

Wario · 06 Jun 2008, 13:44

Do you think Arista or Atlantic will ever release "Blind Before I Stop - Unpimped" with the dance beats omitted?

haven't you always wanted to hear what Getting Away WIth Murder Originaly have sounded like?

This thought just came to me zas i heard GAWM and i thought i was listening to the Backstreet boys.

WhenItComes2LovingU · 06 Jun 2008, 14:13

Here's a hint...if Meat performed the songs live and they sounded the same as the record's arrangement for a lot of them, what does that tell you? That the record is exactly what he wanted it to sound like at the time? That he now regrets his decision (see his reaction to "Stoney and Meatloaf" at the time as opposed to now) and is backtracking because of its lack of popularity with fans?

I doubt there is any rock BBIS hiding in anyone's vault. I doubt one was recorded.

**The Flying Mouse** · 06 Jun 2008, 14:32

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Originally Posted by WhenItComes2LovingU

Here's a hint...if Meat performed the songs live and they sounded the same as the record's arrangement for a lot of them, what does that tell you? That the record is exactly what he wanted it to sound like at the time? That he now regrets his decision (see his reaction to "Stoney and Meatloaf" at the time as opposed to now) and is backtracking because of its lack of popularity with fans?

I doubt there is any rock BBIS hiding in anyone's vault. I doubt one was recorded.

You think the live versions sounded like the album?

Wario · 06 Jun 2008, 14:45

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

You think the live versions sounded like the album?

Yea, Masculine wasn't an 8 minute album track....

Sarge · 06 Jun 2008, 14:49

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

You think the live versions sounded like the album?

They didn't, thank God!

I don't believe that there are recordings which sound much different from the ones that were released. Remember who was in charge of the production: Frank Farian, who created bands like Boney M. and Milli Vanilli.

**The Flying Mouse** · 06 Jun 2008, 14:57

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Yea, Masculine wasn't an 8 minute album track....

Not the versions i've heard

**RadioMaster** · 06 Jun 2008, 15:50

even if there is another version of BBIS, there is LOADS of stuff id rather be interested to hear than this, for example:
- the studio versions of the dream engine tracks
- the ML demos of making love and total eclipse
- the US mix of Bad Attitude (which I still havent got round to buy)
- the original BOOH demos (27 min paradise, etc)
and so on...

Renegade Angel · 06 Jun 2008, 17:14

BBIS songs performed on the 1987 tour were a little bit rockier but not much, the main difference was Burning Down, that song was much heavier live.
Special Girl sounded much better live aswell.

**allrevvedup** · 06 Jun 2008, 17:24

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

even if there is another version of BBIS, there is LOADS of stuff id rather be interested to hear than this, for example:

- the ML demos of making love and total eclipse

- the original BOOH demos (27 min paradise, etc)
and so on...

you think they really exist or was it just said to sound good?

**allrevvedup** · 06 Jun 2008, 17:28

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Originally Posted by WhenItComes2LovingU

Here's a hint...if Meat performed the songs live and they sounded the same as the record's arrangement for a lot of them, what does that tell you? That the record is exactly what he wanted it to sound like at the time? That he now regrets his decision (see his reaction to "Stoney and Meatloaf" at the time as opposed to now) and is backtracking because of its lack of popularity with fans?

I doubt there is any rock BBIS hiding in anyone's vault. I doubt one was recorded.

hey i'm in no doubt that meat spins a lot of stories based on the popularity of albums, much as an actor loves the director and the plotline before the film then goes on to criticise it while promoting his next one.

I've heard him say in interviews that he wasn't really there for DRFL and MATLAF but he still went and toured it so who knows.

It was the time when rock was getting diluted, look at Ozzy and Kiss as examples...but i think he did regret the way BBIS was done because he made significant changes to the songs he used live.

**RadioMaster** · 06 Jun 2008, 17:48

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

you think they really exist or was it just said to sound good?

doesnt matter, i said id like to hear them, no idea if they exist or not. (i rather doubt it btw)

Wario · 06 Jun 2008, 20:54

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Not the versions i've heard

Live at Wembley's CD version of Masculine is 8 mins. i believe. or at minimum 7 mins

samurai7 · 07 Jun 2008, 02:31

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Live at Wembley's CD version of Masculine is 8 mins. i believe. or at minimum 7 mins

6.50

WhenItComes2LovingU · 07 Jun 2008, 16:29

Aside from "Rock and Roll Mercenaries," which I will concede is very different (and better) in its live version, I must say that the rest of the songs, aside from length, sound very much like the album, with little variation aside from the fact that there are live drums (as opposed to programming) and maybe some have a faster tempo.

WhenItComes2LovingU · 07 Jun 2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Renegade Angel

BBIS songs performed on the 1987 tour were a little bit rockier but not much, the main difference was Burning Down, that song was much heavier live.
Special Girl sounded much better live as well.

Speaking of "Burning Down," I always wanted to hear that live version...

Can some nice people write me with a nice gift that I won't mention the nature of and God I feel like I'm being obvious?

Wario · 07 Jun 2008, 19:12

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Originally Posted by samurai7

6.50

Wow ..... or was it the Objects single version?

duke knooby · 07 Jun 2008, 21:03

from page 256 of meat loaf to hell and back regarding bbis

... i took home a mix of a rock-and-roll record. After i left, Ferian went back in and put a dance beat on every song, with the exception of one, execution day which dick wagner had written. i had execution day as the last song on the album. Ferian changed the order of the album around and added all this dance beat stuff. The first copy I got of the record was the promotional copy - it was already pressed. I remember putting it on the stereo in Westport and I'm thinking, "the order, they've changed the order!" But before i call anyone i decide to just listen to everything.

First i hear execution day, and it's fine. The next song was blind before i stop, and i hear underneath dance beat sounds. I think, "what the hell is that?" Then i listen to the next song and theres a dance beat underneath on it, And on every song.

"Oh my God, oh my God" was all i could say....

sorry about the punctuation but i couldn't be arsed fixing it

Wario · 08 Jun 2008, 01:31

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Originally Posted by duke knooby

from page 256 of meat loaf to hell and back regarding bbis

... i took home a mix of a rock-and-roll record. After i left, Ferian went back in and put a dance beat on every song, with the exception of one, execution day which dick wagner had written. i had execution day as the last song on the album. Ferian changed the order of the album around and added all this dance beat stuff. The first copy I got of the record was the promotional copy - it was already pressed. I remember putting it on the stereo in Westport and I'm thinking, "the order, they've changed the order!" But before i call anyone i decide to just listen to everything.

First i hear execution day, and it's fine. The next song was blind before i stop, and i hear underneath dance beat sounds. I think, "what the hell is that?" Then i listen to the next song and theres a dance beat underneath on it, And on every song.

"Oh my God, oh my God" was all i could say....

sorry about the punctuation but i couldn't be arsed fixing it

So meat could still have the original mixed masters w/o the dance beats

duke knooby · 08 Jun 2008, 01:40

take from it what you want.. just remember that book came out 12 or 13 years later, (think stoney and meat loaf at the time of bat's release regarding the comments made, not the time frame) and meat is known to spin a great story for promotion of a product (though i can't see any reason to mention that to boost sales lol)

Sarge · 08 Jun 2008, 05:29

In this regard, consider that he apparently does not even recall the producer's actual name...

**allrevvedup** · 08 Jun 2008, 12:42

for BBIS or for Stoney and Meat Loaf?

Sarge · 08 Jun 2008, 15:26

BBIS - it's Farian not Ferian. What Meat Loaf says about him in his autobiography is a little contradictory. As far as I remember, a few lines before the paragraph that is quoted here, he seems to think highly of Farian and his sounds. The music Farian has produced so far has always been quite different from what you expect a rock or Meat Loaf album to sound like, so I wonder whether there had ever been a real possibility for BBIS to sound distinctively different from the version we know.

*AndyK* · 08 Jun 2008, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Sarge

I wonder whether there had ever been a real possibility for BBIS to sound distinctively different from the version we know.

Yes there was. Bob Kulick gave an interview for RVM a couple of years ago and he said that BBIS sounded completely different until Farian and the record company got thier hands on it. Same with Bad Attitude to some extent, although Meat and the band managed to fix that soimewhat for the US release.

Sarge · 08 Jun 2008, 15:37

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Originally Posted by AndyK

until Farian and the record company got thier hands on it

I still wonder how you can pick Farian as a producer at all when you are about to make a rock album.

Evil One · 09 Jun 2008, 18:11

At that point in his career I don't think Meat was in much of a position to pick and choose.

06 Jun 2008, 13:44	#1
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	The Original BBIS Masters .... Do you think Arista or Atlantic will ever release "Blind Before I Stop - Unpimped" with the dance beats omitted? haven't you always wanted to hear what Getting Away WIth Murder Originaly have sounded like? This thought just came to me zas i heard GAWM and i thought i was listening to the Backstreet boys.

08 Jun 2008, 01:40	#19
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,889	take from it what you want.. just remember that book came out 12 or 13 years later, (think stoney and meat loaf at the time of bat's release regarding the comments made, not the time frame) and meat is known to spin a great story for promotion of a product (though i can't see any reason to mention that to boost sales lol) Last edited by duke knooby; 08 Jun 2008 at 01:49.

08 Jun 2008, 05:29	#20
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	In this regard, consider that he apparently does not even recall the producer's actual name... Last edited by Sarge; 08 Jun 2008 at 05:35.

06 Jun 2008, 14:13	#2
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Here's a hint...if Meat performed the songs live and they sounded the same as the record's arrangement for a lot of them, what does that tell you? That the record is exactly what he wanted it to sound like at the time? That he now regrets his decision (see his reaction to "Stoney and Meatloaf" at the time as opposed to now) and is backtracking because of its lack of popularity with fans? I doubt there is any rock BBIS hiding in anyone's vault. I doubt one was recorded.

06 Jun 2008, 15:50	#7
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	even if there is another version of BBIS, there is LOADS of stuff id rather be interested to hear than this, for example: - the studio versions of the dream engine tracks - the ML demos of making love and total eclipse - the US mix of Bad Attitude (which I still havent got round to buy) - the original BOOH demos (27 min paradise, etc) and so on...

06 Jun 2008, 17:14	#8
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	BBIS songs performed on the 1987 tour were a little bit rockier but not much, the main difference was Burning Down, that song was much heavier live. Special Girl sounded much better live aswell.

07 Jun 2008, 16:29	#14
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Aside from "Rock and Roll Mercenaries," which I will concede is very different (and better) in its live version, I must say that the rest of the songs, aside from length, sound very much like the album, with little variation aside from the fact that there are live drums (as opposed to programming) and maybe some have a faster tempo.

07 Jun 2008, 21:03	#17
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,889	from page 256 of meat loaf to hell and back regarding bbis ... i took home a mix of a rock-and-roll record. After i left, Ferian went back in and put a dance beat on every song, with the exception of one, execution day which dick wagner had written. i had execution day as the last song on the album. Ferian changed the order of the album around and added all this dance beat stuff. The first copy I got of the record was the promotional copy - it was already pressed. I remember putting it on the stereo in Westport and I'm thinking, "the order, they've changed the order!" But before i call anyone i decide to just listen to everything. First i hear execution day, and it's fine. The next song was blind before i stop, and i hear underneath dance beat sounds. I think, "what the hell is that?" Then i listen to the next song and theres a dance beat underneath on it, And on every song. "Oh my God, oh my God" was all i could say.... sorry about the punctuation but i couldn't be arsed fixing it

08 Jun 2008, 12:42	#21
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,356	for BBIS or for Stoney and Meat Loaf?

08 Jun 2008, 15:26	#22
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	BBIS - it's Farian not Ferian. What Meat Loaf says about him in his autobiography is a little contradictory. As far as I remember, a few lines before the paragraph that is quoted here, he seems to think highly of Farian and his sounds. The music Farian has produced so far has always been quite different from what you expect a rock or Meat Loaf album to sound like, so I wonder whether there had ever been a real possibility for BBIS to sound distinctively different from the version we know.

09 Jun 2008, 18:11	#25
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	At that point in his career I don't think Meat was in much of a position to pick and choose.