Patti no longer with the NLE

[Breeze]

Can't disagree with above comments in general, but still feel that he'd say something about this to his most loyal fans. Patti is not just anyone, she is Patti Russo, the other half of most of his best duets.

[Monstro]

Originally Posted by Breeze

but still feel that he'd say something about this to his most loyal fans.

To say nothing of the people who paid bloody good money for tickets expecting what they thought was the NLE as they knew it.

[CarylB]

I don't know whether the email was to inform or confirm .. and I'm not at all sure anyone here does. This is what I'm getting at. Inform would suggest it comes out of the blue .. confirm would suggest it came after discussion. Does anyone know which was the case? I don't. I have no idea what communication there was between Meat and Patti, but like Yevonda I think there will be a lot we know nothing about. "Termination" suggests to me more the ending of a contract, something that wouldn't be done on a whim, and usually not without often protracted discussion/negotiation

I do understand people are upset. Even angry and hurt that Patti has gone from the NLE; I understand that too. It's just not imo best to guess when you're short on information.

Originally Posted by Breeze

Can't disagree with above comments in general, but still feel that he'd say something about this to his most loyal fans. Patti is not just anyone, she is Patti Russo, the other half of most of his best duets.

But again, as we don't know who was involved in what, when, or how it ran etc we don't know what Meat would be in a position to say, even if he wanted to discuss such things with his fanbase. The forum is open to anyone who applies to join. Journalists for eg could join and read anything here once registered, not just his most loyal fans. There is a bigger picture.

[melon]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

That makes no sense.

You are saying if someone gets fired from a job then it is always up to that person to explain? That's just crazy.

Personal business? She is not performing on stage, for everyone to see. It's hardly personal to inform us why she is not there. She could be dead, sick on holiday or indeed fired from the band. This is exactly what she told us.

This is a bit out of line. That is not what Sue meant.

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[Sue K]

Originally Posted by melon

This is a bit out of line. That is not what Sue meant.

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Thanks, Melz ...

[White of High]

YouTube Video

[Breeze]

Thanks White for putting up that video.
I guess all that is left is the postmortem and some crying.
Breaking up is hard to do.

[Nick]

I'd love to know the url of Patti's Facebook! Call me technologically impaired, but I can't find it!

If it's against the rules I'll keep looking!

[The Flying Mouse]

Jesus Tapdancin Christ
This is a hell of a shock, to say the least, and also extremely sad news

I think it's perfectly natural for fans to want to talk about this, but at the same time can we keep speculation to a minimum please?
It does little to help when emotions are running high.

Can I also ask that we all post in a mutually respectful manner.
There are several issues being raised on this thread. Patti's termination, weather this thread should even exist, and should we, as fans, feel entitled to any explanation from Meat or Patti as to what has happened.
Obviously people are going to have very different views on each of these subjects, but please post your opinion (and respond to the opinions of others) without resorting to any demeaning comments.

We don't know the reasons and circumstances behind Patti's departure, at what level it was suggested and decided, when it decided, and how much Patti was made aware of what was going on through prior correspondence.
That said, I would personally find it incredible if Meat himself would not be involved in decisions governing his own band

Until such time any explanation is offered answering some of the above questions, i'm not about to vilify Meat or condemn Patti.

To Patti - I (and 1000's like me) love you very much.
You've been a big part of our journey for the last 20 years, and it's very, very sad to see your time with the band come to a close
Your onstage performance is overshadowed only by your gracious offstage manner when meeting fans.
Don't worry too much though. You're quite a talented lass , and i'm sure you won't be out of work for too long.
Our loss is some other lucky b@stards gain.

It's a sad day to be a Meat fan

To Meat - (without sarcasm or irony) I'm sorry to see you lose one of the biggest assets you have.
I'm sure you know yourself how valued Patti is in the hearts of your fans, and how much she brings to the table with her performance.
It can't be easy to see her gone.


To the new blood - Welcome to the party, ladies
Patti is a pretty hard act to follow, and I wish you both the best of luck in making the roles your own.
You'll be overanalysed, criticized, and Wario will make wild and improbable statements about what you'll be performing, but we only do it because we care

[Breeze]

nick,
i have the same issue, TC. It is under Patrica Russio .
The pic is one with her looking downward wearing yellow.

[Breeze]

Nick, I hope you found her page, she is not wearing yellow but dark brown. there is a bit of a yellow cast to her picture.
It is bad luck to be the last poster on a thread, someone post after me, please.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Breeze

It is bad luck to be the last poster on a thread, someone post after me, please.

OK

Originally Posted by Breeze

Nick, I hope you found her page, she is not wearing yellow but dark brown. there is a bit of a yellow cast to her picture.

I think she's taken the post down.
I think it was a good move on her part to do so
You can either tell your side of the story, or say nothing.
Posting one fact without any additional background info can lead to a lot of speculation

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I think she's taken the post down.

Yes she did, yesterday, saying it was time to put things to rest

I think it was a good move on her part to do so
You can either tell your side of the story, or say nothing.
Posting one fact without any additional background info can lead to a lot of speculation

Agreed on all counts

[Tomjoad]

In the last few weeks, when Patti was already out (she received the mail in late july) Meat posted several times on FB showing pictures of the band reheasing, announcing repeatedly the UK dates and the Vegas shows.
But no word about changes in the band. He probably knew fans would have a bad reaction to the news Patti was out. Patti herself posted in the same hours Meat was onstage again, as if she waited until the very last moment for a public announcement that never came.
I'm not saying people have the right to know the name of every person who will take the stage, as Meat Loaf is not a group but a solo artist with a band. But I do think that an announcement by Meat introducing the new singers, and saying (at least) "Thank you Patti", was the proper thing to do.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Tomjoad

Patti herself posted in the same hours Meat was onstage again, as if she waited until the very last moment for a public announcement that never came.

And that's a guess. No-one knows why she timed it as she did.

But I do think that an announcement by Meat introducing the new singers, and saying (at least) "Thank you Patti", was the proper thing to do.

And whilst I defend your right to hold and express that opinion, I also defend Meat's right to make his own decision based on everything he knows, which is a lot more than any of us We are fans who follow a performer and these who appear with him. He operates in a bigger business world about which we know a very limited amount.

[Tomjoad]

Originally Posted by CarylB

And whilst I defend your right to hold and express that opinion, I also defend Meat's right to make his own decision based on everything he knows, which is a lot more than any of us

Nobody here wants to tell Meat what to do.
Just saying that an announcement about what he had decided would have been welcomed by the fans. At least, by this fan.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Tomjoad

Nobody here wants to tell Meat what to do.
Just saying that an announcement about what he had decided would have been welcomed by the fans. At least, by this fan.

an announcement wouldve ruined the atmosphere of the show.

prolly why patti waited till the night of.

[GDW]

In The Land Of The Pig The Butcher is King

[Adje]

Not best Rock n Roll band in the World but pure amateurism at best.

You fire your female singer (for 20 years) 3 weeks before you play 2 shows in the UK.

You get two singers that, in those 3 weeks, only get one rehearsel(???) And therefore they didn't perform very well (and I don't blame them the least bit for it). Basically you deny those girls a fair entry to a dissapointed part of your fanbase as well.

You refuse to make an anouncement, despite the knowledge you have about the love, the majority of your fanbase has for the female singer. While having 3 weeks the time to come up with a decent goodbye message.

WOW...

[Tomjoad]

Originally Posted by Wario

an announcement wouldve ruined the atmosphere of the show.

Easy to agree, no artist whatsoever would have made that kind of announcement before or during a show.
There's the official website and there's the facebook page, and there was plenty of time to do it. Obviously, the choice was not to do it.

[CarylB]

You get two singers that, in those 3 weeks, only get one rehearsel(???) And therefore they didn't perform very well (and I don't blame them the least bit for it). Basically you deny those girls a fair entry to a dissapointed part of your fanbase as well.

You were at the shows? I was at Newmarket. They performed extremely well. They got a BIG round of applause .. no weak or disappointed sympathy vote. And frankly most of those around me in the crowd simply accepted them as part of the show. As to rehearsal time, surely that was down to the lead time to find and recruit and then, most significantly, to have the band all together for live rehearsal.

Anyone can post here that based on a YT video they thought the singers were .. what was one phrase? "Shitting herself"? I was there. Yes, I could see a little nervousness on occasions .. first time in a household name band before 10K people .. for sure, I'd expect that even if they'd had aa month in rehearsal. Denied a fair entry and not perform very well? In my view, as someone standing in the front with my friends, that is simply not the case .. and my friends agree with me. These singers are professionals, very talented, and contributed fully too a great show.

In the 27K odd numbers of people who saw those two shows, how do you know that a significant number of them were disappointed .. or even taken aback?

I know that there are many, many regular fans who know and love Patti, and who will have been disappointed. But I truly do not believe that they were the majority of the vast numbers there. Many there were seeing Meat for the first time ever, or the first time in many, many years. They simply got a Meat Loaf show that they thrilled to.

This is what happens when people closer to the personalties involved than the bulk of the audiences being played to are disappointed, hurt to see a singer they love is not there (both understandable), but then make judgements based on very limited knowledge of everything that has led up to a situation.

I do not know all the facts. Imo neither does anyone else here. I will miss Patti. I will miss the tours. I saw a fantastic show at Newmarket, surrounded by thousands of people who were singing along, cheering, applauding, buzzing with excitement and fun, and having a wonderful evening. That I witnessed. And if anyone was there and says the crowd were disappointed and not thoroughly enjoying themselves .. well, I'm sorry but they are deluded or prevaricating.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Tomjoad

Easy to agree, no artist whatsoever would have made that kind of announcement before or during a show.
There's the official website and there's the facebook page, and there was plenty of time to do it. Obviously, the choice was not to do it.

And I do not know all the facts and issues that needed to be considered when making that choice. I doubt anyone else here does either.

[Tomjoad]

Originally Posted by CarylB

And I do not know all the facts and issues that needed to be considered when making that choice. I doubt anyone else here does either.

The only thing that needed to be considered was the respect owed to the people involved and to the fans.
Even if Patti asked a million dollar a show and was put aside for this, she deserved a public thank you. No rocket science here, just politeness.

[Sue K]

Curious... and curiouser... I wonder... what would have happened ... say ... Patti was there... and Meat wasn't but filled in by one of his ... tribute singers... ...

[Evil One]

I suspect the comments section on Youtube would be considerably different for a start.