MMW Tour Board Tapes

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by R.

How about we all excercise a little patience, mmh?

This!

I know it's been a long wait so far folks, but what have we got if not time?

I hope it's possible to find a way around the download problem, or even if he puts them up for sale somewhere.


It's been said that Meat shouldn't say things until he knows he can deliver, but he's obviously enthusiastic to let us hear these tapes (as long as they can't be downloaded) and maybe he got a little carried away in the excitement of the moment and offered something that was harder to deliver than he thought.
I don't know what Meat's IT skills are like and how much he knows personally about the problems involved in putting something online that can't be downloaded.

Disappointing, sure, but i'll not hold his enthusiasm against him. I believe he was very sincere in his wish to let us hear these tapes.
It's the thought that counts as far as i'm concerned


Would be nice to hear them though

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

... but i'll not hold his enthusiasm against him. I believe he was very sincere in his wish to let us hear these tapes.
It's the thought that counts as far as i'm concerned

I too believe he was and is sincere. His world is a little bit bigger than this one issue. He's preparing for a very special benefit concert, has the rest of this tour to complete, plan for the next one, record, manage a zillion things we don't know about and fit in knee surgery. If he eventually finds a way he's happy with to share board tapes that will be great. If he doesn't, like you, I think that he wanted to is what counts.

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I hope it's possible to find a way around the download problem, or even if he puts them up for sale somewhere.

The only way to make sure that something on the internet isn't being copied around is not putting it on the internet in the first place.

The internet is nothing but a giant copy machine. For something to be played on your computer, the data has to be downloaded first. (Yes, even when streaming something.) If this wasn't the case, why does bandwidth cost money?

Even if you put it up for sale, as said before, it only takes one person to share it, and it's out there.

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I too believe he was and is sincere. His world is a little bit bigger than this one issue. He's preparing for a very special benefit concert, has the rest of this tour to complete, plan for the next one, record, manage a zillion things we don't know about and fit in knee surgery. If he eventually finds a way he's happy with to share board tapes that will be great. If he doesn't, like you, I think that he wanted to is what counts.

I agree. Same old story here isn't it Caryl. People attacking Meat for not being genuine and true to his word, when he has always tried to be. Do people not realise he's just one man? And he has a million other things going on the whole time? And also that sometimes things he wants to do for us don't quite work out because of factors that are out of his hands or beyond his powers? I just don't get the selfishness of people and why they don't understand this. If I was Meat reading these posts I would have NO incentive to sort out these tapes, some people don't deserve them.

Sorry for the rage mods, please can you edit this if needed, thanks.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by robgomm

I agree. Same old story here isn't it Caryl. People attacking Meat for not being genuine and true to his word, when he has always tried to be. Do people not realise he's just one man? And he has a million other things going on the whole time? And also that sometimes things he wants to do for us don't quite work out because of factors that are out of his hands or beyond his powers? I just don't get the selfishness of people and why they don't understand this. If I was Meat reading these posts I would have NO incentive to sort out these tapes, some people don't deserve them.

Sorry for the rage mods, please can you edit this if needed, thanks.

Here comes the we should feel sorry for Meat Loaf brigade. Give me a break. If he doesn't want to share those tapes fine. I'm still waiting for the 2004 board tapes. Will those ever materialise? No. Does it matter? No. But yeah if you post that it's going to be released some people will indeed keep wondering. Inevitable. Not everyone just sits back and thinks everything Meat does and how he does it is great. If that makes people selfish and moany that's fine I think. Ultimately many here have paid a lot for tickets, CDs and downloads etc. In a lot of cases people can be critical on the web without even having had to engage with anything before. Here, most have in my opinion already earned the respect to have pretty much any view they want.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by robgomm

I agree. Same old story here isn't it Caryl. People attacking Meat for not being genuine and true to his word

I think attack is a rather emotive word to use Rob. I'd simply call it rude.

If I was Meat reading these posts I would have NO incentive to sort out these tapes

Nor would I.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Here comes the we should feel sorry for Meat Loaf brigade. Give me a break.

I have not asked for anyone to feel sorry for Meat .. just some patience and respect, rather than suggesting he's taunting fans. I don't really expect people not to be selfish, or "moany" .. but courtesy would be reasonable.

Here, most have in my opinion already earned the respect to have pretty much any view they want.

No-one needs to earn the right to have any view they choose. The law puts limits on how entitled they are to express it; so does common civility. I would argue that Meat has earned the right to have some understanding afforded him, and that views/comments be expressed in the respectful manner Rainer asks.

[robgomm]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Here comes the we should feel sorry for Meat Loaf brigade. Give me a break. If he doesn't want to share those tapes fine.

You obviously hasn't read the posts by both Meat and Mouse that state they absolutely DO want to share these 100%.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Not everyone just sits back and thinks everything Meat does and how he does it is great. If that makes people selfish and moany that's fine I think.

I have never sat back and thought everything Meat does and how he does it is great, and i've expressed that at times in the past. But neither am I selfish or moany enough to demand something from him now that may not be technically possible for him to do. So i'm neither one or the other which kind of screws up your point trying to put people in one catergory or other.

So you think because people have spent so much money on Meat in the past, it gives them a right to be selfish and moany and demanding of him? They have earnt that? That was their choice, and whatever they chose to spend that money on Meat did his damndest to give them value for money. They got their moneys worth. They deserve nothing extra. Meat is trying to do this out of the goodness of his heart, perhaps he shouldn't have mentioned it until he knew whether it was possible or not, but he was excited and he values us that much that he wanted to give us a sneaky heads up. If it doesn't work out it will be a shame for sure, but don't ever tell me Meat hasn't tried to do this.

[sexyeyes_jo]

it would be good if meat does do it but if he doesn't i wouldn't hold it against meat i mean if i was in his shoes i wouldn't want anyone bootlegging my work, I mean meat has worked his arse off for the last 35 years i'm just greatful that he is still going if it was anyone else they would have retired by now.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by robgomm

I agree. Same old story here isn't it Caryl. People attacking Meat for not being genuine and true to his word, when he has always tried to be. Do people not realise he's just one man? And he has a million other things going on the whole time? And also that sometimes things he wants to do for us don't quite work out because of factors that are out of his hands or beyond his powers? I just don't get the selfishness of people and why they don't understand this. If I was Meat reading these posts I would have NO incentive to sort out these tapes, some people don't deserve them.

Sorry for the rage mods, please can you edit this if needed, thanks.

Are you forgetting that Meat isn't 100% in the right about this?
I don't personally hold it against him, but I know a lot of folks are dissapointed here.
Meat may have been caught up in the moment a little, but he really should have checked out the possibilities of posting the board tapes online if he wanted to put conditions in how they were listen too.
Hey, perhaps he thought it wouldn't be a problem (I never knew it could prove to be such a pain in the ass), he's human .
Again, I don't hold it against him because I believe I know his motives to be true (and I have reason for that) but I can understand why some folks think they are having something dangled before them and then snatched away.
Especially (in all fairness) when he has promised board tapes before and not delivered.

Understand that dissapointment does not make for happy fans.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Here comes the we should feel sorry for Meat Loaf brigade. Give me a break. If he doesn't want to share those tapes fine. I'm still waiting for the 2004 board tapes. Will those ever materialise? No. Does it matter? No. But yeah if you post that it's going to be released some people will indeed keep wondering. Inevitable. Not everyone just sits back and thinks everything Meat does and how he does it is great. If that makes people selfish and moany that's fine I think. Ultimately many here have paid a lot for tickets, CDs and downloads etc. In a lot of cases people can be critical on the web without even having had to engage with anything before. Here, most have in my opinion already earned the respect to have pretty much any view they want.

All I can do is tell you what i've said before.
Paul personally contacted me asking me to help him share the tapes. If I was more of a tech wizard you might well be enjoying them right now.
This was a genuine offer.
Meat might not have delivered in 2004, but this was on the level.

The only thing that was stopped this happening so far is the condition (that I respect and understand completely) that the board tapes be hosted in such a way where they can't be downloaded.

Meat has not said the tapes will never be posted, quite the opposite. He's said that they will be up for us to hear at some future time.
Weather they go up because a workable solution is found to the download problem, or weather Meat takes enough time to talk himself into thinking "oh f*ck it, there's no way around it, i'll give them something, even a medley" I don't know.
But I believe Meat is genuine about letting us hear these tapes, and I believe a way/compromise will be found.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

Are you forgetting that Meat isn't 100% in the right about this?
I don't personally hold it against him, but I know a lot of folks are dissapointed here.
Meat may have been caught up in the moment a little, but he really should have checked out the possibilities of posting the board tapes online if he wanted to put conditions in how they were listen too.
Hey, perhaps he thought it wouldn't be a problem (I never knew it could prove to be such a pain in the ass), he's human .
Again, I don't hold it against him because I believe I know his motives to be true (and I have reason for that) but I can understand why some folks think they are having something dangled before them and then snatched away.
Especially (in all fairness) when he has promised board tapes before and not delivered.

Understand that dissapointment does not make for happy fans.

Your opening sentence isn't going to sit well with some, though they will claim objectivity. I don't hold it personally against Meat either. The part that confuses me is that it is pretty widely known that if you can hear it you can record it. Obviously the same day Meat releases a new project copies are already available online - and these are the one's he sells to make a living. If he does not want these copied it can not be done, but the same was true of HIAH. In my case I just vented a bit because this makes twice I have said that if Meat promised tapes he would come through. I said it about the Aussie tapes that were going to disprove the critics and again I believed about these. Yet I somehow get criticized and "offend" people (refer back to your opening sentence) because I believed that Meat would deliver and have the posts to prove it.

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

The only thing that was stopped this happening so far is the condition (that I respect and understand completely) that the board tapes be hosted in such a way where they can't be downloaded.

Meat has not said the tapes will never be posted, quite the opposite. He's said that they will be up for us to hear at some future time.
Weather they go up because a workable solution is found to the download problem, or weather Meat takes enough time to talk himself into thinking "oh f*ck it, there's no way around it, i'll give them something, even a medley" I don't know.
But I believe Meat is genuine about letting us hear these tapes, and I believe a way/compromise will be found.

There is no way around it, unfortunately. As has been said, anything that you can listen to can be recorded in some fashion, converted to a digital file, and uploaded somewhere where it can be shared. So, Meat either has to accept the possibility of that happening, or not release the tapes.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by loaferman61

Your opening sentence isn't going to sit well with some,

I don't know why.
Meat should have looked into this further before making the promise.
But he was excited and said it in the heat of the moment. I can understand that, and i'm not going to hold that error against him.

I don't see how anybody reasonable can have a problem with that.

Originally Posted by loaferman61

The part that confuses me is that it is pretty widely known that if you can hear it you can record it.

But it's also down to the quality of the recording.
There's a difference between someone holding a mic to a speaker and getting a sub standard version, and getting a perfect copy of the original.
As I said, I didn't know just how difficult how it would prove to be, and as I don't know Meat's level of IT knoledge, I can't say that he knew that either.

Originally Posted by loaferman61

Obviously the same day Meat releases a new project copies are already available online - and these are the one's he sells to make a living. If he does not want these copied it can not be done, but the same was true of HIAH.

Because they are properly uploaded to a computer (no loss of quality), and then put online, right?

Originally Posted by loaferman61

In my case I just vented a bit because this makes twice I have said that if Meat promised tapes he would come through. I said it about the Aussie tapes that were going to disprove the critics and again I believed about these. Yet I somehow get criticized and offend people (back to your opening sentence) because I believed in Meat and have the posts to prove it.

I can understand people venting. It's disappointing that these tapes are not going to be posted as soon as we'd hoped.
I don't see anyone offended by your belief in Meat, and I think that belief is well founded because I know myself that these tapes were to be posted.

My opening sentence was addressed to Rob because I felt his own opening tone showed a lack of empathy and understanding towards those who are not as "forgiving" (for the lack of a better word now) as others on the forum.
I understand their frustration (even though I don't share a lot of the anger) and I think they are entitled to feel a little that way.

Personally I still think it's the thought and the gesture that counts.

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

But it's also down to the quality of the recording.
There's a difference between someone holding a mic to a speaker and getting a sub standard version, and getting a perfect copy of the original.
As I said, I didn't know just how difficult how it would prove to be, and as I don't know Meat's level of IT knoledge, I can't say that he knew that either

I can record anything played on my computer- no microphone needed.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

I can record anything played on my computer- no microphone needed.

Thank you
That's EXACTLY my point.
I never knew that. Perhaps Meat didn't know that either

If you needed mics and speakers and whatnot you wouldn't get such a good sounding end product, which is why Meat wouldn't mind the risk of putting the board tapes up, and why he made the offer.

[Wario]

everyone should just shut up, the less meat knows what recording software is out there we couldve had these up by now!

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by loaferman61

Somewhere I'm having a serious disconnect that Paul did not already know this. I mean I did and I'm nowhere in the same stratosphere of the expertise that Meat and Paul have. Maybe he did not know Meat wanted them non-downloadable?

Let me put it this way, i'm not the smartest person in the world (don't tell anyone ), but i've got quite an interest in military history.
I reckon I know more about the Eagle Order than anyone on this forum.

In fact, i'll take on Stephen Hawking in a quiz night down the local on the subject of the Eagle Order because I think I know more about the Eagle Order than him.

Stephen Hawking might be one clever dude, but i'd kick his ass in a quiz about the Eagle Order
I'd fecking murder him

"WTF are you talking about" I hear.

Stephen Hawking is brilliant, but he doesn't know everything.

I know Paul knows a lot about music, but I don't know a thing about his, or Meat's, IT skills.
I don't think anyone on the forum is in a position to judge their IT skills, let alone find them surprising.

Tell me Paul had a problem reading a sheet of music, and I might show some surprise, but tell me what he is and is not capable on a couputer and I doubt i'll be amazed because I have no pre expectations.

IT (for me) is a long and complicated subject, and until someone who really knows their stuff tells me "you can't do that" I pretty much tend to think that anything is possible.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Wario

everyone should just shut up, the less meat knows what recording software is out there we couldve had these up by now!

Yeah, Paul doesn't know anything about that...

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

But he was excited and said it in the heat of the moment. I can understand that, and i'm not going to hold that error against him.

I don't see how anybody reasonable can have a problem with that.

Nor do I

Originally Posted by Wario

everyone should just shut up, the less meat knows what recording software is out there we couldve had these up by now!

Oh .. sucker punch him into it? Remember these were offered to the MLUKFC and Rainer, and Meat clearly said .. to listen, not download. Rainer has integrity, which is why Meat likes, respects and trusts him.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Nor do I

Oh .. sucker punch him into it? Remember these were offered to the MLUKFC and Rainer, and Meat clearly said .. to listen, not download. Rainer has integrity, which is why Meat likes, respects and trusts him.

Lol of course. Was just messing lol

[melon]

Originally Posted by Wario

Lol of course. Was just messing lol

Easy to say after the fact Wario

Personally, I never took Meat's word as a 100% promise that he would definately put the sound boards up, just that he would if he could.

I think a lot of people here have the "me me me" complex, how many of you are an only child? Classic signs of being an only child Anyway, I digress.

He wants to do it, maybe in some people's views he shouldn't have said so before he knew. I'm not bothered by it myself, I've learnt to deal with things not going the way I'd like I also understand that these things happen. How often have any of you wanted to do something and been excited about it so you've shared it, and its just not panned out like you wanted?

Maybe Meat genuinely thought there would be a way to do this, but there just isn't. At the end of the day, that is his property and he can choose what he wants to do with it. Not any of us, no matter how much we stamp our feet and cross our arms.

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[Kathy]

Meat might have remembered when M. Brevard had some audio/video that she put up for listening/watching only (no download) on this very board; when was that, 2003 or 04? At the time I knew of no way to save them. So he may have thought the same thing could be done with these board tapes.

To me the only important thing is that he wanted to share them with us. If it turns out he can't, for WHATEVER reason, I'm still glad he wanted to. And for heaven's sake I don't feel entitled to them just because he hoped to share them.

If a friend of mine wanted to give me something, but in the end couldn't, would I be angry and feel wronged? No; would you???

-Kathy

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by Kathy

Meat might have remembered when M. Brevard had some audio/video that she put up for listening/watching only (no download) on this very board; when was that, 2003 or 04? At the time I knew of no way to save them. So he may have thought the same thing could be done with these board tapes.

To me the only important thing is that he wanted to share them with us. If it turns out he can't, for WHATEVER reason, I'm still glad he wanted to. And for heaven's sake I don't feel entitled to them just because he hoped to share them.

If a friend of mine wanted to give me something, but in the end couldn't, would I be angry and feel wronged? No; would you???

-Kathy

CHSIB Kathy. No I certainly wouldn't !

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Kathy

If a friend of mine wanted to give me something, but in the end couldn't, would I be angry and feel wronged? No; would you???

-Kathy

No, because I wouldn't BE wronged. Like you, I feel no sense of entitlement because I have none in this case.

Whether or not this or that artist sells their board tapes is irrelevant. Meat has never done this, nor is there any reason why he should; it's absolutely his choice, and like you, I respect that. That he wanted to is enough. If he can't then I'll be perfectly happy with all he HAS given us over the years, and continues to give us. We had a stunning new album last year, have just had a DVD, he's touring and is coming to the UK to tour next year. Works for me

Caryl

[Evil One]

Did these ever actually make it as far as MLUKFC HQ? Did anyone actually get to listen to them?

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Holy One

Did these ever actually make it as far as MLUKFC HQ? Did anyone actually get to listen to them?

It is all pie in the sky from what I gather. Try asking Santa but he probably won't come through either.