Re-Recording Of Dead Ringer - Page 2

L96 · 16 May 2006, 12:31

In which case, your nonsense is forgiven.

**RadioMaster** · 16 May 2006, 16:49

You have to think of this one, too:
That was the album after Bat. If the second album would be called Bat2, then Bat wouldnt be something special anymore.

MeatGrl1 · 05 Jun 2006, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Jackoutofhell

Wouldn't that be awesome? Don't get me wrong. The album is awesome, but everyone knows his voice was strained. If he re-recorded the album now, it would sound a lot better, agree? I'm not sure how all of that would work, but his current voice is perfect and I'd LOVEEE a verison with it.

I think that is a bit harsh and mean. You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect that but Dead Ringer is an amazing album and I happen to love his vocals on it personally.!

jcmoorehead · 06 Jun 2006, 00:09

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Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

I think that is a bit harsh and mean. You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect that but Dead Ringer is an amazing album and I happen to love his vocals on it personally.!

Its not mean it is the truth, I love the vocals on it aswel but its no secret he was having trouble with his voice then. Although I could be wrong and i'm pretty sure its in his book aswel.

rockfenris2005 · 14 Jun 2006, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Diane

As a Brit I'm always a bit bemused when anyone refers to Dead Ringer as a lost treasure. The album entered the UK charts at #1 on its first week of release and Meat also scored a top five single. The following tour also saw him make his first big arena appearances in the UK at Birmingham NEC and Wembley. (He's happily been filling out arenas all over the UK ever since ... even when he hasn't had an album to promote, which is virtually unheard of!)

Admittedly Dead Ringer didn't sell anywhere near as many copies as BOOH or enjoy the incredible chart run of that album, but then how does anyone follow up something of that magnitude?!!!

I love the Dead Ringer album so of course I believe it was worthy of more recognition globally but 8 million copies worldwide is certainly not to be sniffed at!

Diane

Dead Ringer was an enormous success in the U.K. So was MATLAF. But it was, pretty much, an ignominious failure everywhere else.

Since America rules the waves these days I classify this as a "lost treasure"

Pudding · 15 Jun 2006, 00:30

Since it reached No.#45 in the US charts, it's hardly 'lost', it just didn't do very well.

Pud

rockfenris2005 · 15 Jun 2006, 08:40

Well yes, but no one ever talks about it these days, except for Meat & Jim fans... unless they're Manilow "enthusiasts" looking for the original take on "Read 'em" ech.

And it's a shame, a real shame

I'd consider the album "found" if there was a nice remaster. I also consider "Bad for Good" a lost treasure, but one which Steinman and Meat continually raid

Pudding · 15 Jun 2006, 10:53

No one talks about Purple Rain by Prince and that was a mega hit, so was the Bodyguard soundtrack and when was the last time you heard someone talk about them? Everything I do by Bryan Adams was at No.1 in the UK for a zillion weeks and no one talks about that anymore. Mr Blobby knocked Meat Loaf off the top of the charts to become a Christmas No.1 but no one talks about that anymore.

The fact is Dead Ringer isn't lost, it never was lost and never will be lost. You can find it almost every record store there is, there on the shelf next to Bat Out Of Hell. It's available in most countries that don't percieve rock music as the spawn of Satan.

It sold in excess of 5 million copies and therefor in no definition of the word is Dead Ringer 'lost'.

Pud

*AndyK* · 15 Jun 2006, 10:58

Exactly Pud.

I think people assume that beacause Dead Ringer wasn't the mega hit that Bat or Bat II was, it flopped. It didn't, how many artists or bands would give their drummer to the devil for a record that sells in excess of 5 million copies? 5 million is a fantastic sales figure, it was in the 1980's and it is today. Bat and Bat II exceeded that fantastic benchmark, that's all it is ...

**RadioMaster** · 15 Jun 2006, 16:59

You´re absolutely right!
Isn´t it always so, that the second album isn´t sold as much as the first?
Many, many artist cant take that step and dissapear to nowhere.
The only problem is the relation. Sure you can sey that it has sold 5 million copies, and that are many, true. But on the other hand that´s just 1/6 of the copies Bat sold, so, some people may classify it as a flop.

Pudding · 16 Jun 2006, 03:07

If Bat never happened and the first album was Dead Ringer, with a sales figure of 5Million plus, it would have been classed as a smash hit and not 'lost'. But because it was released in the shadow of Bat, it isn't.

Pud

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jun 2006, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Pudding

If Bat never happened and the first album was Dead Ringer, with a sales figure of 5Million plus, it would have been classed as a smash hit and not 'lost'. But because it was released in the shadow of Bat, it isn't.

Pud

You´re absolutely right Pud!
Maybe be would be waiting now for Dead Ringer III: The Ringer is loose

rockfenris2005 · 16 Jun 2006, 15:19

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No one talks about Purple Rain by Prince and that was a mega hit,

I have never met a person who hasn't heard of this album.

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so was the Bodyguard soundtrack and when was the last time you heard someone talk about them?

I have never met a person who hasn't heard of this album.

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Everything I do by Bryan Adams was at No.1 in the UK for a zillion weeks and no one talks about that anymore.

I have never met a person who hasn't heard of this song.

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Mr Blobby knocked Meat Loaf off the top of the charts to become a Christmas No.1 but no one talks about that anymore.

Except every musical encyclopaedia and technical enthusiast in the world.

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The fact is Dead Ringer isn't lost, it never was lost and never will be lost.

I have never met a person who HAS heard of "Dead Ringer". People know Bat Out Of Hell, people know Bat Out Of Hell II, Welcome to the Neighborhood & CHSIB (because of its recent release) but usually they have never heard of this unless they've started an interest in Meat Loaf.

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You can find it almost every record store there is, there on the shelf next to Bat Out Of Hell.

I have not seen in a record shop for four years, and Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman had their first major success in Australia.

The last time I saw it: was a tacky old version in the bargain bin going for $4.45. Typically, I purchased it...

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It's available in most countries that don't percieve rock music as the spawn of Satan.

And so is "Bat Out Of Hell". But no one ever talks about "Dead Ringer", at least all the people I've "met".

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It sold in excess of 5 million copies and therefor in no definition of the word is Dead Ringer 'lost'.

Then how come it's never talked about? That was a rhetorical question

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You´re absolutely right Pud!
Maybe be would be waiting now for Dead Ringer III: The Ringer is loose

Remember the Steinman quote (if you've ever heard of him) "you must only worship yourself"

**RadioMaster** · 16 Jun 2006, 19:17

Please tell me how you understand the word "talk about".
Sure, except latest albums nearly nothing is talked about in general. But I think the way it is meant here, is that if you ask some people, they have heard of the album. And the answers you will get are depending on the area where you´re living and the kind of person you will talk to.
If I am talking to people who know something about music, most of them have heard of dead ringer or at least know who made it.

btw,
Stienman, Stienman...

ain´t that the guy who directed Jurassic Park ?

**The Flying Mouse** · 16 Jun 2006, 19:53

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Originally Posted by rockfenris2005

I have never met a person who HAS heard of "Dead Ringer". People know Bat Out Of Hell, people know Bat Out Of Hell II, Welcome to the Neighborhood & CHSIB (because of its recent release) but usually they have never heard of this unless they've started an interest in Meat Loaf.

*siren noise*
WARNING!!!!

WARNING!!!!

THIS IS A
SCEPTICAL MOUSE
ALERT

I REPEAT

THIS IS A
UNBELIEVABLY FECKING
SCEPTICAL MOUSE
ALERT!!!!!!

You REALLY tryina tell me that NOBODY you have met has EVER heard of the Dead Ringer album?

NOBODY at all has heard of this album that sold over 5 millie copies, got to No 1 in the UK charts, the title single getting to No 5, not to mention the classic vid with Cher?

Pudding · 17 Jun 2006, 01:18

I believe the album was released before Ryan was born, so it wouldn't surprise me if his small group of friends hadn't heard of it before. But saying that, if Ryan talks about that album the same way he does about Batman, I'm surprised no one he's ever met doesn't know of its existance.

Either way, under no circumstance can the album be classed as 'lost'. As I've previously pointed out, it's available at all good record stores. Pandora's Box - Original Sin however isn't, so that might fall into the 'lost' category.

Pud

rockfenris2005 · 17 Jun 2006, 09:45

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NOBODY at all has heard of this album that sold over 5 millie copies, got to No 1 in the UK charts,

Exactly, it succeeded in the U.K. It didn't do anything in the States or anywhere else, from my knowledge, just the U.K.

Even Meat's greatest flops have been hits there

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the title single getting to No 5, not to mention the classic vid with Cher?

Yep

I've even had people tell me they thought that song was from BAT

rockfenris2005 · 17 Jun 2006, 09:48

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I believe the album was released before Ryan was born,

The album is four years older than me

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so it wouldn't surprise me if his small group of friends hadn't heard of it before.

Not all my friends are the same age as me though

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But saying that, if Ryan talks about that album the same way he does about Batman, I'm surprised no one he's ever met doesn't know of its existance.

Ah, see, but I'm obsessed with Batman. Of course everyone's gonna know about that

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Either way, under no circumstance can the album be classed as 'lost'.

Maybe it's just a misleading label like the "cover" one I was talking about earlier

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As I've previously pointed out, it's available at all good record stores.

Then how come I've never seen it?

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Pandora's Box - Original Sin however isn't, so that might fall into the 'lost' category.

Exactly. I have never seen that anywhere IN MY LIFE. When I went to import it, I was told that it didn't exist, that I was making it up

Pudding · 17 Jun 2006, 10:29

I think the Australian and New Zealand music market are very similar and in New Zealand, I could go into almost any music store and pick up a copy of Dead Ringer. I would say you could do the same in Australia, unless Aussies want to admit that they're more backward than the Kiwi's that is, then perhaps you might have a point.

Pud

sunneke · 17 Jun 2006, 10:57

Dead Ringer did not make it in the Netherlands i believe. But i buyed it here in the Netherlands. It wasn't easy to find here but i'v got it! Dead Ringer has some very good songs in my opinion.

**RadioMaster** · 17 Jun 2006, 11:45

To be honest, I dont give a damn if it´s available here in a music store or not.
Hello, guys!
We´re living in age of digital communication and (nearly) everything is available on amazon or ebay or wherever.
In our town we don´t even got a real music store, just some cd corners in the malls.
So IMO, even if you dont wanna hear that, the time of going to a store and ask for an album has gone.

All that I want to say with this post is that you cant assess the importance of an album by searching for it in a music store.

Pudding · 17 Jun 2006, 12:55

Yes we are living in an age of digital communication but not everyone chooses to choose their music that way. I'd rather spend an hour or two at a music store listening to all sorts of CD's I haven't heard before, than sat at home holed up like some greasy hermit tapping away at a keyboard.

I appreciate that a lot of people now download songs through iTunes or whatnot, where they don't need to step out into the sunlight, but there's still a lot of people who like the old fashioned way of flipping through the CD's at a store.

Pud

rockfenris2005 · 18 Jun 2006, 05:15

Judging on the variance between our versions of "Bad For Good" (i.e. tracklist, cover art) I'd say the Aussie / New Zealand market is different in regards to Jim. And I always thought we were ahead of you

R.L.

Pudding · 18 Jun 2006, 05:36

What makes you think I got my Bad For Good album in New Zealand? Not only am I quite a few years older than you but I'm not even a New Zealander.

Pud

dukesofhazard · 18 Jun 2006, 17:51

Back to Dead Ringer, has anyone else noticed that Amazon & Play.com have Dead Ringer now with an issue date of December 2005. Does anyone happen to know if it is exactly the same as the original CD release or has it been remastered in any way? If it's just a bit louder I'd be happy to buy it again (original seems to have a lower volume than Bat & Bat 2).

16 May 2006, 12:31	#26
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	In which case, your nonsense is forgiven.

16 May 2006, 16:49	#27
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	You have to think of this one, too: That was the album after Bat. If the second album would be called Bat2, then Bat wouldnt be something special anymore.

15 Jun 2006, 00:30	#31
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Since it reached No.#45 in the US charts, it's hardly 'lost', it just didn't do very well. Pud

15 Jun 2006, 08:40	#32
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	Well yes, but no one ever talks about it these days, except for Meat & Jim fans... unless they're Manilow "enthusiasts" looking for the original take on "Read 'em" ech. And it's a shame, a real shame I'd consider the album "found" if there was a nice remaster. I also consider "Bad for Good" a lost treasure, but one which Steinman and Meat continually raid

15 Jun 2006, 10:53	#33
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	No one talks about Purple Rain by Prince and that was a mega hit, so was the Bodyguard soundtrack and when was the last time you heard someone talk about them? Everything I do by Bryan Adams was at No.1 in the UK for a zillion weeks and no one talks about that anymore. Mr Blobby knocked Meat Loaf off the top of the charts to become a Christmas No.1 but no one talks about that anymore. The fact is Dead Ringer isn't lost, it never was lost and never will be lost. You can find it almost every record store there is, there on the shelf next to Bat Out Of Hell. It's available in most countries that don't percieve rock music as the spawn of Satan. It sold in excess of 5 million copies and therefor in no definition of the word is Dead Ringer 'lost'. Pud

15 Jun 2006, 10:58	#34
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Exactly Pud. I think people assume that beacause Dead Ringer wasn't the mega hit that Bat or Bat II was, it flopped. It didn't, how many artists or bands would give their drummer to the devil for a record that sells in excess of 5 million copies? 5 million is a fantastic sales figure, it was in the 1980's and it is today. Bat and Bat II exceeded that fantastic benchmark, that's all it is ...

15 Jun 2006, 16:59	#35
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	You´re absolutely right! Isn´t it always so, that the second album isn´t sold as much as the first? Many, many artist cant take that step and dissapear to nowhere. The only problem is the relation. Sure you can sey that it has sold 5 million copies, and that are many, true. But on the other hand that´s just 1/6 of the copies Bat sold, so, some people may classify it as a flop.

16 Jun 2006, 03:07	#36
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	If Bat never happened and the first album was Dead Ringer, with a sales figure of 5Million plus, it would have been classed as a smash hit and not 'lost'. But because it was released in the shadow of Bat, it isn't. Pud

16 Jun 2006, 19:17	#39
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Please tell me how you understand the word "talk about". Sure, except latest albums nearly nothing is talked about in general. But I think the way it is meant here, is that if you ask some people, they have heard of the album. And the answers you will get are depending on the area where you´re living and the kind of person you will talk to. If I am talking to people who know something about music, most of them have heard of dead ringer or at least know who made it. btw, Stienman, Stienman... ain´t that the guy who directed Jurassic Park ?

17 Jun 2006, 01:18	#41
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I believe the album was released before Ryan was born, so it wouldn't surprise me if his small group of friends hadn't heard of it before. But saying that, if Ryan talks about that album the same way he does about Batman, I'm surprised no one he's ever met doesn't know of its existance. Either way, under no circumstance can the album be classed as 'lost'. As I've previously pointed out, it's available at all good record stores. Pandora's Box - Original Sin however isn't, so that might fall into the 'lost' category. Pud

17 Jun 2006, 10:29	#44
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I think the Australian and New Zealand music market are very similar and in New Zealand, I could go into almost any music store and pick up a copy of Dead Ringer. I would say you could do the same in Australia, unless Aussies want to admit that they're more backward than the Kiwi's that is, then perhaps you might have a point. Pud

17 Jun 2006, 10:57	#45
sunneke Mega Loafer Join Date: 17.01.2006 Location: Amersfoort Posts: 2,263	Dead Ringer did not make it in the Netherlands i believe. But i buyed it here in the Netherlands. It wasn't easy to find here but i'v got it! Dead Ringer has some very good songs in my opinion.

17 Jun 2006, 11:45	#46
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	To be honest, I dont give a damn if it´s available here in a music store or not. Hello, guys! We´re living in age of digital communication and (nearly) everything is available on amazon or ebay or wherever. In our town we don´t even got a real music store, just some cd corners in the malls. So IMO, even if you dont wanna hear that, the time of going to a store and ask for an album has gone. All that I want to say with this post is that you cant assess the importance of an album by searching for it in a music store.

17 Jun 2006, 12:55	#47
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Yes we are living in an age of digital communication but not everyone chooses to choose their music that way. I'd rather spend an hour or two at a music store listening to all sorts of CD's I haven't heard before, than sat at home holed up like some greasy hermit tapping away at a keyboard. I appreciate that a lot of people now download songs through iTunes or whatnot, where they don't need to step out into the sunlight, but there's still a lot of people who like the old fashioned way of flipping through the CD's at a store. Pud

18 Jun 2006, 05:15	#48
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	Judging on the variance between our versions of "Bad For Good" (i.e. tracklist, cover art) I'd say the Aussie / New Zealand market is different in regards to Jim. And I always thought we were ahead of you R.L.

18 Jun 2006, 05:36	#49
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	What makes you think I got my Bad For Good album in New Zealand? Not only am I quite a few years older than you but I'm not even a New Zealander. Pud

18 Jun 2006, 17:51	#50
dukesofhazard Super Loafer Join Date: 24.09.2003 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 478	Back to Dead Ringer, has anyone else noticed that Amazon & Play.com have Dead Ringer now with an issue date of December 2005. Does anyone happen to know if it is exactly the same as the original CD release or has it been remastered in any way? If it's just a bit louder I'd be happy to buy it again (original seems to have a lower volume than Bat & Bat 2).