Midnight At The Lost And Found

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Wario

obviously its my source !

Wario, I get you have a dislike for me, but there is no need to make anymore of this than needed. I don't have to justify a small harmless comment.
Yes I work for a label, and in the past I posted some stuff at the time of PRINT was correct, things change every few hours in the music business. And I never posted anything that was false. I repeatedly made remarks to this effect = I have no inside knowledge, I'm not part of the inner circle. But yes I had contact with people who did, I had people sending emails, private messages amongst themselves and to me, regarding this stuff. It's a bloody disgrace that because I tried to help post some stuff for the fans on here, I get accused of all sorts.

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Evil One

Who is feeding you this knowledge?

Sony is the label who owns the rights to deadringer and midnight

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Evil One

The two of you must have hearing issues, or you smear dog shit over your old CDs. This is IDENTICAL to my existing CD. I'd wager that it is also IDENTICAL to every other Dead Ringer CD available. I have wasted £10 to discover this on your recommendation. Hopefully no one else will make the same mistake.

Clearly, I have no way of knowing whether it is different to your existing CD, but I get what you said about the waves cancelling each other out and am happy to accept that your new CD is the same as your old one.

If you feel you have wasted your money that's a shame, but I made no recommendation, only described the differences between my old copy and my new copy.

To see if I had lost the plot and accidentally filled my ears or covered my CDs in canine excrement, I got hold of my previous mp3 copy of IGLHFBOU (from the old CD I had) and ran some basic comparison checks against the new mp3 copy I made from the new album the other day.

I used the same hardware to rip both tracks, and the same software (CDEX). I use the highest quality settings on Variable MP3. I have not changed these settings.

Some facts...

File Size - Old File 11.8MB. New File 13.6MB.
Av Bit Rate - Old File 226bkps. New File 259kbps.

Note I made several copies off the old CD using the same settings over the years (due to the Mrs deleting the music collection one time, new hard drives etc). The file size remained almost identical every time.

I fail to see why or how the file size would suddenly leap if there was no change in the source audio?

Anyway, you seemed very certain in your facts, so I downloaded and installed an app called "Similarity" which compares 2 mp3 files, and analyses the quality.

From their website:
Similarity analyzes files and calculates a quality score basing on various technical parameters of that record, such as: bitrate, frequency, amplitude cut value, amplitude average value, amplitude maximum and many others. The program automatically detects all common problems with audio files and assigns a corresponding quality mark to each file.

I am not affiliated with the website, app, their developers, or any part of any commercial or non-commercial outfit they may have ties to. I make no recommendation of their product and only mention it so that you can understand the tests I made. Publishing of the results their application presented me does not constitute a recommendation or endorsement. I have not been paid to provide this information or mention their product. If you proceed to buy it, it is entirely of your own free will, and I will accept no responsibility for your future happiness or any financial or other form of impact that results.

Anyway, the results:
The old file scored a quality mark of 83%. The new file, 100%.

Again - this shows a clear difference in the MP3. And I still don't see why that would be the case if the source was identical.

I haven't actually played the MP3s in the car (which is where I listen to most of my music these days). But playing the new CD in the same car in the same CD player I was immediately impressed by the improvement in sound versus the old CD. I also noticed all the differences I described before in the MP3s played on my phone.

I stand 100% behind my comments, and remain very pleased with my purchase. If you are not, I sympathise, but please don't take it out on me or Nikox1.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by nikox1

Wario, I get you have a dislike for me, but there is no need to make anymore of this than needed. I don't have to justify a small harmless comment.
Yes I work for a label, and in the past I posted some stuff at the time of PRINT was correct, things change every few hours in the music business. And I never posted anything that was false. I repeatedly made remarks to this effect = I have no inside knowledge, I'm not part of the inner circle. But yes I had contact with people who did, I had people sending emails, private messages amongst themselves and to me, regarding this stuff. It's a bloody disgrace that because I tried to help post some stuff for the fans on here, I get accused of all sorts.

Oh please gimme a break. iTs the record companies fault their mix is booty

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Wario

Oh please gimme a break. iTs the record companies fault their mix is booty

Go away
Look I get you humour, I don't mind arguments, in fact I have started some in my time
If you ever need to know anything that can't be put here? Just ask in a pm
Plus thank you for your pm,

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Clearly, I have no way of knowing whether it is different to your existing CD, but I get what you said about the waves cancelling each other out and am happy to accept that your new CD is the same as your old one.

If you feel you have wasted your money that's a shame, but I made no recommendation, only described the differences between my old copy and my new copy.

To see if I had lost the plot and accidentally filled my ears or covered my CDs in canine excrement, I got hold of my previous mp3 copy of IGLHFBOU (from the old CD I had) and ran some basic comparison checks against the new mp3 copy I made from the new album the other day.

I used the same hardware to rip both tracks, and the same software (CDEX). I use the highest quality settings on Variable MP3. I have not changed these settings.

Some facts...

File Size - Old File 11.8MB. New File 13.6MB.
Av Bit Rate - Old File 226bkps. New File 259kbps.

Note I made several copies off the old CD using the same settings over the years (due to the Mrs deleting the music collection one time, new hard drives etc). The file size remained almost identical every time.

I fail to see why or how the file size would suddenly leap if there was no change in the source audio?

Anyway, you seemed very certain in your facts, so I downloaded and installed an app called "Similarity" which compares 2 mp3 files, and analyses the quality.

From their website:
Similarity analyzes files and calculates a quality score basing on various technical parameters of that record, such as: bitrate, frequency, amplitude cut value, amplitude average value, amplitude maximum and many others. The program automatically detects all common problems with audio files and assigns a corresponding quality mark to each file.

I am not affiliated with the website, app, their developers, or any part of any commercial or non-commercial outfit they may have ties to. I make no recommendation of their product and only mention it so that you can understand the tests I made. Publishing of the results their application presented me does not constitute a recommendation or endorsement. I have not been paid to provide this information or mention their product. If you proceed to buy it, it is entirely of your own free will, and I will accept no responsibility for your future happiness or any financial or other form of impact that results.

Anyway, the results:
The old file scored a quality mark of 83%. The new file, 100%.

Again - this shows a clear difference in the MP3. And I still don't see why that would be the case if the source was identical.

I haven't actually played the MP3s in the car (which is where I listen to most of my music these days). But playing the new CD in the same car in the same CD player I was immediately impressed by the improvement in sound versus the old CD. I also noticed all the differences I described before in the MP3s played on my phone.

I stand 100% behind my comments, and remain very pleased with my purchase. If you are not, I sympathise, but please don't take it out on me or Nikox1.

A very good response
That would stand up in court
Maybe my wording was not perfect? But yes I knew the cd was improved, remastered? Probably not. But I'm glad we both heard the little improvements.
I'm not great with computers and techy stuff so thank you for such a well educated response.

[rockfenris2005]

None of these releases interest me UNLESS they add the single bonuses and get them remastered. BA & BBIS SHOULD have included all the single material. Of course they did not.

[ashkent7]

Just a thought, mainly because I can't see it anywhere in the history of this happy little thread, but has anyone who is comparing new to old actually compared just how old the old version is?

On Amazon alone currently there are CD released going back to 1993 and that's without imports and not counting "box sets" when it was released with Bat or Midnight etc, different labels have released CD versions.

Unless everyone is comparing exact like for like copies then I wouldn't be surprised if there were small differences. Compared to say the 2008 or 2003 (I think it was around then) re-releases I would think it more likely they would sound/be identical...if you've been harbouring one for 20 years plus (like i know my dad has one from the early 90s, while i have one of the more recent releases...just never really had a reason or need to compare them) then I would quite easily believe they could sound sound slightly different.

[glockenspiel]

Can someone remind me what all the fuss was about in the first place ??

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Evil One

This is beyond ridiculous. So a new CD now sounds better than an old mp3?


You know ~~~~~~ all. The CD has NOT been improved in any way. You are either hearing 'improvements' that are not there or you are deliberately posting nonsense. All this thread has done is reaffirm my long held view that you are a cretin.

Panic Lord posted something above which showed you some valid explanations.
But of course I receive the abusive response. Your a class act

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by glockenspiel

Can someone remind me what all the fuss was about in the first place ??

Somebody spent money on a cd that they didn't enjoy??

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by ashkent7

Just a thought, mainly because I can't see it anywhere in the history of this happy little thread, but has anyone who is comparing new to old actually compared just how old the old version is?

On Amazon alone currently there are CD released going back to 1993 and that's without imports and not counting "box sets" when it was released with Bat or Midnight etc, different labels have released CD versions.

Unless everyone is comparing exact like for like copies then I wouldn't be surprised if there were small differences. Compared to say the 2008 or 2003 (I think it was around then) re-releases I would think it more likely they would sound/be identical...if you've been harbouring one for 20 years plus (like i know my dad has one from the early 90s, while i have one of the more recent releases...just never really had a reason or need to compare them) then I would quite easily believe they could sound sound slightly different.

Ah look... rational thought in a coherent non abusive post. My CD is ancient came in a set with MATLAF that I can't even find online now. As I have said many times it is perfectly possible that my old CD was an especially bad version and the improvements I hear are purely down to upgrading to the OK version that most other people already had.

[ashkent7]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Ah look... rational thought in a coherent non abusive post. My CD is ancient came in a set with MATLAF that I can't even find online now. As I have said many times it is perfectly possible that my old CD was an especially bad version and the improvements I hear are purely down to upgrading to the OK version that most other people already had.

So will probably be around 95ish (and I honestly can't comment on quality of boxset versions to regular releases) in which case I can well believe you would notice a difference. I've noticed similar things before remasters arrived with a few albums over the time.

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by ashkent7

So will probably be around 95ish (and I honestly can't comment on quality of boxset versions to regular releases) in which case I can well believe you would notice a difference. I've noticed similar things before remasters arrived with a few albums over the time.

Seems about right. I really hope people are right about the upcoming re release of MATLAF as I have now traded in my rubbish old box set but love most of the tracks and am looking forward to having a proper full set of albums.

[Fire Ball]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Seems about right. I really hope people are right about the upcoming re release of MATLAF as I have now traded in my rubbish old box set but love most of the tracks and am looking forward to having a proper full set of albums.

Who in hell released a BOXSET !!!

[rockfenris2005]

Sometimes over the years they've released some of the albums together in packages. I've been seeing them since, gosh, I was like nine or something. For example, Bat with Dead ringer. I think that's a common one. Bad attitude w/ Blind before I stop is actually how I discovered both of those albums. They've also done it with Bat, Dead ringer AND Midnight. At the moment, they've done all five of them, Dead ringer, Midnight, Bad attitude, Blind, Live at Wembley. It's in a small cardboard package that comes with all the albums. They've been doing that with loads of different artists. They did it with Bette too.

[chansadres]

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Who in hell released a BOXSET !!!

Sony did: Meat Loaf - Original Album Classics (Box set)

[rockfenris2005]

I have to say I'd much rather those sets getting the albums back onto the shelves again for people who haven't heard them yet - I had to wait 14 weeks to import Bad Attitude back in the day because you just couldn't get it (I'd just gotten lucky with Blind before I stop before that) - than yet another grisly compilation. If this is their approach now, much better than Meat Loaf Greatest Hits with such chart topping hits as Wolf at your door lol.

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Who in hell released a BOXSET !!!

Lol sorry Fireball... boxset is probably too grand a term. It was basically just Dead Ringer and Midnight both in the same CD case