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[Evil Ernie]

I don't understand why Barry manilow ruined the song for him. Is it just because its HIM?

I don't like him and his version is far from my favorite, but it wasn't THAT bad.

I think that ML butchered IACBTM more that Barry Manilow ruined REAW but you don't see Celine Dion swearing off of it.

[wolfy35]

Wario you are an absolute star. I really do not know where you find all these gems but please continue.
Meats voice in that one is the Meat of old bursting with raw power and emotion and while todays Meat may have lost the power he once had he has replaced it with a clarity that has taken it to a whole new level.

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I think that ML butchered IACBTM more that Barry Manilow ruined REAW but you don't see Celine Dion swearing off of it.

Maybe because Steinman songs are meant for Meat ? Celine doesn't give a shit because she doesn't understand and neither cares about the heritage. Meat wouldn't have butchered IACBTMN if Steinman had been involved.

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

Maybe because Steinman songs are meant for Meat ? Celine doesn't give a shit because she doesn't understand and neither cares about the heritage. Meat wouldn't have butchered IACBTMN if Steinman had been involved.

No, because he wouldn't have done it.

And she doesn't understand what? That someone doing a shitty cover of one of her songs (which she didn't write) means that she should never perform it again?

He told Meat it was a chick song... turns out that he was right.

And it's funny, Jim produced Manilow's version of REAW yet the common opinion is that he butchered it.

I think that it went like this: ML could barely do any shows for DR. Manilow covers REAW in the meantime. ML makes his comeback with MATLAF, BA and BBIS. Manilows version became more well known, so there's no point in doing what many would consider a Barry Manilow cover when he has to fill up a setlist from the records that he's promoting plus the hits that people know him for.

I think that he's just being mellow dramatic when he says that he stopped performing the song because of BM. The fact is that he barely performed the song to begin with.

And not ALL Jim songs are meant for ML. I can think of several that would sound ridiculous without severe rearrangement.

[RSG]

Celine's is good. Pandora's Box is magic. 2006's :

Well, two out of three ain't bad.

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

And she doesn't understand what? That someone doing a shitty cover of one of her songs (which she didn't write) means that she should never perform it again?

She doesn't understand that her passionless singing destoyed a great song, or that Pandoras Box and Meat Loaf produced better versions (imo) before and after. She still sings it live because she has no shame !

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

She doesn't understand that her passionless singing destoyed a great song, or that Pandoras Box and Meat Loaf produced better versions (imo) before and after. She still sings it live because she has no shame !

I don't see how she's a passionless singer. I love not only this song but many others by her. In fact I like her version of 'Is Nothing Sacred' the best.

If you don't like her singing that's one thing, but it's ridiculous to say that she's passionless. 'Destroyed' the song? I can think of a version that may have destroyed the song, but it wasn't this one.

But anyway, this is not a Celine Dion thread.

[RSG]

Celine's is very good. It and it's music video.. had Steinman's touch which like Pandora's Box gives it that much more. To me it don't make sense as a duet.. never really has. And I've always heard a lady sing it.. and not a man.
imo

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

If you don't like her singing that's one thing, but it's ridiculous to say that she's passionless.

That's my opinion, so you should respect that, and while technically her singing is very good she lacks emotion and passion.