What should 'Brave & Crazy' sound like?

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

I wouldn't mind a mix of Steinman, Rick Brantely and James Michael. I reckon that'd make for a pretty awesome album

Originally Posted by Cherry.Loaf

A mix of Bad attitude and HCTB would please me the most but I'm open to anything music wise

[Meat Loaf_fan]

"Go back to the 80ies, Sarah Durkee and Paul Jacobs I want" - this is my choise. Why? Maybe because I was born in the 80-s. Maybe because I like Sarah Durkee and Paul Jacobs style. Or maybe because I love 80-s music . Maybe ... Anyway I don't want Steinman style, because without Jim, IMHO, it wouldn't be good.

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by JennaG

Whilst Jim Stienman may have written the songs that first made me notice Meat, my continued presence here has nothing to do with Jim Stienman, I'm here because I'm interested in and like Meat.

I buy a Meat Loaf album to hear Meat Loaf, it doesn't worry me who else is involved, be it Rob Cavallo, Jack Black or even Jim Stienman. I have enjoyed the albums that Meat has released without Jim, just as much as I have enjoyed any of the others and if you asked me what my favourite album was, it would be HIAH.

I trust Meat to release an album that I will enjoy and so far he hasn't disappointed and I continue to have every faith that will continue into the future.

I couldn't agree more Jenna
I truly love all of Meat's albums .. but my favorites are HCTB and HIAHB

[glamourgirl]

I'm genuinely torn. I love Steinman songs and James Michael wrote amazing songs on CHSIB. I also love HIAH. As long as it's Meat, Patti, and the NLE, I know it will be amazing.

[The Flying Mouse]

I've a feeling that this is going to boil down to a "should the new album sound like Bat or HCTB"

As long as they leave the rap out, i'm sure i'll be happy

As i've said (many times, but we have many threads ) it took a lot of the HCTB material time to grow on me (and some of it never has) but HIHB was a great return to form.

I'd be happy with Steinman, i'd be happy with HIHB without any rap, and anything in between.

[RSG]

I like the idea of another Jim Steinman penned and involved album w/ Meat Loaf on the vocals. I'm not sure who the musicians would be, but Patti, Paul, Kasim Sulton, Rory Dodd, John M, Avery and/or Alexander come to me instantly. Throw in Caswell or a Mrs. Loud and an unheard Steinman spoken track for bad measure Brave and Crazy..

And if it isn't going to be Steinman related, I like the idea of P Jacobs and S Durkee returning for at least a song or few. And also Rick Brantley! This would have to include Bob Kulick of course Put Kulick and Crook in the same studio and be interesting for sure. Especially if the album hits on the 'Song of Madness' 'Land Of The Pig' tone.. It would work.
Hang Cool had a lot of broad modern rock arrangements. Perhaps Brave and Crazy would be something with a harder edge. With Paul as producer, why not. Paul's work on Handbasket was a real good job. The material on that album is well done.

[Moonlight shadow]

Like I see, Steinman wins.

It's obvius.
Jim Steinman puts a special atmosphere in his songs.
And if we think of the incredible musical work he did in the bat 2 with the inimitable vocals and great choirs, the quality and success in the production, ... is impossible not to be another Steinman album
I hope they both come together to revolutionize the world again!!


Bat Out Of Hell: Brave And crazy
All songs by Jim Steinman
Produced by Jim Steinman


Paul Crook: I'm sure he would be happy to discover the world Steinman.
regards

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by JennaG

I buy a Meat Loaf album to hear Meat Loaf, it doesn't worry me who else is involved, be it Rob Cavallo, Jack Black or even Jim Stienman. I have enjoyed the albums that Meat has released without Jim, just as much as I have enjoyed any of the others and if you asked me what my favourite album was, it would be HIAH.

Fair enough ... but it looks like you're in a minority ... a Jim album is winning the poll hands down at the moment

Eight options, and Jim is getting 75% of the vote - fairly emphatic if you ask me.

[MarkS]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

Fair enough ... but it looks like you're in a minority ... a Jim album is winning the poll hands down at the moment

Eight options, and Jim is getting 75% of the vote - fairly emphatic if you ask me.

I for one agree with Jenna, and quite frankly the poll answers are phrased in such a way to skew the results so not so emphatic, especially with all those stupid ass options.

This poll only needed two options

Jim

No Jim

That is a poll that could provide a legit, emphatic answer

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[CarylB]

Originally Posted by MarkS

I for one agree with Jenna, and quite frankly the poll answers are phrased in such a way to skew the results so not so emphatic, especially with all those stupid ass options.

This poll only needed two options

Jim

No Jim

That is a poll that could provide a legit, emphatic answer

Or perhaps

Jim

No Jim

I don't mind as long as it's Meat

If Steinman had some songs that fitted with Meat's vision for the album I'd be OK with that. If not, fine. I love the path Meat is on now, that's what I'm looking forward to, and I doubt a poll of 50-100 people would push him off course anyway

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by MarkS

This poll only needed two options

Jim

No Jim

That is a poll that could provide a legit, emphatic answer

But it already does:

Jim (one option total) 75% of vote

No Jim (seven options total) 25% of vote

How is this not a legit, emphatic answer ?

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I don't mind as long as it's Meat

Presumably Meat WILL be involved in the album at some stage ...

[melon]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

Presumably Meat WILL be involved in the album at some stage ...

I believe that's what she was getting at, either way, she will just be happy to have something from Meat.

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[Wario]

this poll is overwhelmingly lop-sided. meat needs to take a serious note to this.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Wario

this poll is overwhelmingly lop-sided. meat needs to take a serious note to this.

So people would blindly like to stumble down the path of an album full of Steinclunkers like Cry To Heaven than an album of dynamic tunes just because of the writer??

[Cherry.Loaf]

Great poll so glad it was multiple choice!

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

Presumably Meat WILL be involved in the album at some stage ...

Amusing. However I believe I explained what I meant reasonably well:

I don't mind as long as it's Meat

If Steinman had some songs that fitted with Meat's vision for the album I'd be OK with that. If not, fine. I love the path Meat is on now, that's what I'm looking forward to, .......

[White of High]

Originally Posted by Dave

So people would blindly like to stumble down the path of an album full of Steinclunkers like Cry To Heaven than an album of dynamic tunes just because of the writer??

I think Cry To Heaven at the end of Bat3 wasn't the idea of Jimmy. Bat3 was a strong and heavy material but the pruduction and Meat's voice was very far from good. I think people want Steinman songs but with perfect sound. And I think, Meat should see this topic because it shows what fans really want...

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by White of High

I think Cry To Heaven at the end of Bat3 wasn't the idea of Jimmy. Bat3 was a strong and heavy material but the pruduction and Meat's voice was very far from good. I think people want Steinman songs but with perfect sound. And I think, Meat should see this topic because it shows what fans really want...

I think we know that nothing on the production of Bat3 was down to Jim, but that's hardly the point.

There will be some who want a complete Steinman album, written and produced by him, with perfect sound .. another BOOH. And this is 2012 and it won't happen.

This topic shows what people who post on the UK forum want. To extrapolate that to all that follow him would be speculation. BOOH caught a moment in its time. That level of sales is extraordinary and would never be repeated imo. His recent albums have sold well, and well enough that he is still able to bring out new albums .. and on disc. At every show I've been to in recent years, those in the audience love to hear the songs from that early era, but also show every evidence of enjoying his newer work.

I think Meat, who is working on his new album, will do what he wants to do artistically with Paul and a great band. Some will love it, some won't. But imo the thing that keeps him still working after so many years with undiminished energy, drive, creativity and enthusiasm is .. in his words, because he still has something to say, and to explore and to give. The only "should" in my view would be that he continues to do this as long as he feels that way.

[olblueeyes]

Originally Posted by White of High

Bat3 was a strong and heavy material but the pruduction and Meat's voice was very far from good.

I don't think this is something most people would agree with. To my ears the strength of Meat's voice on Bat 3 was excellent, and one of the best things about it. Most professional reviews I read for Bat 3 specifically noted how good he sounded, and even if their review of the overall package wasn't as good as the first two, I saw none that rated his voice as anything but excellent.

With respect, given recent events on this board I'd think most would avoid commenting such opinions as facts.

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[MarkS]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

But it already does:

Jim (one option total) 75% of vote

No Jim (seven options total) 25% of vote

How is this not a legit, emphatic answer ?

You just answered your own question, 7 vs 1 it's skewed, like one of our bad political polls over here.

You only get a true answer with a 1 on 1 situation .

Until its 1 on 1 this poll really means nothing, it was a skewed attempt to get the answer that the pollster wanted, not the truth

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[JennaG]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

Fair enough ... but it looks like you're in a minority ... a Jim album is winning the poll hands down at the moment

It doesn't worry me in the slightest that I may be in the minority with my opinion but this topic did ask what people's opinions were so I stated it.

Originally Posted by White of High

And I think, Meat should see this topic because it shows what fans really want...

I agree with the point Caryl made, this topic does not reflect the opinions of the whole fanbase and the UKF is only a small part of it. Even if Meat were to read it, it might not make any difference anyway. It's not all down to Meat and he has said in interviews in the past that he always holds the door open for Jim. Perhaps the reason why it hasn't happened is down to Jim and the way he works.

[MarkS]

Really, with then already working on the recording of the album, that pretty much shows that there isn't any significant involvement from Steinman. The process is already moving to fast for his pace.

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[Mr. Happy]

Originally Posted by MarkS

Really, with then already working on the recording of the album, that pretty much shows that there isn't any significant involvement from Steinman. The process is already moving to fast for his pace.

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Theoretically, he might have had these songs sitting around / been working on them on for the last five years in preparation for Brave and Crazy, for all we know I'm with you in that I doubt he's involved, but its not impossible

Also, I can't see people who are on the fringes of Meat Loaf fanship (in that they don't post here) differing in opinion from the poll. He isn't exactly famous for HCTB or HIAHB. I'd consider the people here to be his most dedicated fans, and if most of them want a Steinman album, is anyone who follows Meat's work even slightly less devoutly going to want otherwise?

It was a cruel idea to mention theres a new album coming but to avoid giving any detail about it

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by MarkS

Really, with then already working on the recording of the album, that pretty much shows that there isn't any significant involvement from Steinman. The process is already moving to fast for his pace.

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Glaciers move too fast for Jim's pace. The album would not be released for at least 3 years if Jim were heavily involved. I think they barely got Bat2 out in time before the music world changed. I know the whole VH1 heavy rotation and specials would have been far less likely just a short time later when VH1 "evolved".