VCR / DVR / HDR ? - Page 2

A Slice Of English · 21 Dec 2010, 12:42

Tape quality blows, both as VHS and audio. Audio tapes still hold a special place in my heart for reasons of reminiscence only. HDD and the digital generation have still created better quality for the reasons outlined above.

Now vinyl on the other hand...? Now you're talkin'!!

Evil One · 21 Dec 2010, 12:47

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Now vinyl on the other hand...? Now you're talkin'!!

Talkin' through the occasional bit of hiss and crackle!

Wario · 21 Dec 2010, 14:43

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Please clarify and give examples.

When you digitize a tape it will always give you better quality then digitizing an already digitized DVD.

A tape has a longer life span

A tape is more uniform

a Tape has better boxes

A VCR hooked to a surround sound is killer

Evil One · 21 Dec 2010, 15:02

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When you digitize a tape it will always give you better quality then digitizing an already digitized DVD.

No it wont

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A tape has a longer life span

Do you throw your DVD's around the room?

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A tape is more uniform

No it isn't

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a Tape has better boxes

Now you're struggling

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A VCR hooked to a surround sound is killer

And a DVD sounds even better

daveake · 21 Dec 2010, 16:19

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

When you digitize a tape it will always give you better quality then digitizing an already digitized DVD.

A tape has a longer life span

A tape is more uniform

a Tape has better boxes

A VCR hooked to a surround sound is killer

I see you've been at the Christmas booze stash already ...

*AndyK* · 21 Dec 2010, 16:48

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

When you digitize a tape it will always give you better quality then digitizing an already digitized DVD.

Piffle

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A tape has a longer life span

So the spinning head in the VCR which actually touches the (very slightly abrasive) tape doesn't erode and degrade the tape whereas the laser beam in the DVD player which is shone onto the DVD and doesn't physically touch it does erode and degrade the disc?

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A tape is more uniform

Until it stretches and distorts. List to the soundtrack of the Bat Out Of Hell music video.

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a Tape has better boxes

I'll give you this one, although DVD covers aren't that much smaller and the extra features you can get on a DVD more than make up for the smaller artwork.

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A VCR hooked to a surround sound is killer

I don't remember seeing any Video tapes ever being sold with 5.1 surround sound ...

AndrewG · 21 Dec 2010, 16:50

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

When you digitize a tape it will always give you better quality then digitizing an already digitized DVD.

In fact the opposite should be true. As digital is basically a bunch of ones and zeroes there is no room for introducing anything which could degrade playback which could result into hiss or snowy pictures for example. The only thing that could happen if you use cheap assed media and make another copy of an already digital video is errors could be introduced but normally speaking digital to digital is completely lossless.

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A tape has a longer life span

There is little I can find on the lifespan of a VHS tape but going by this article the guy basically urges anyone to copy stuff to DVD, which probably means you are wrong.

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A tape is more uniform

If you mean uniform with regards to shape then I disagree.
A circle is surely always more uniform?

If you mean uniform with regards to playback I disagree too. Analogue playback is always more susceptible to "subjective" playback interpretation I reckon. There were sooo many factors on VHS recorders which could interfere with playback quality, some came with 2 playback heads, some 4, some with 6!

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a Tape has better boxes

I prefer this

over this.

But if you like old tacky boxes it's a subjective matter I guess.

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A VCR hooked to a surround sound is killer

Yeah and a DVD is even better as Holy One points out. But then try a Blu Ray, it blows both completely out of the water. Fact.

As Andy points out VHS doesn't even support 5.1, there is no room on the actual tape to support that many audio channels.

Paul Richardson · 21 Dec 2010, 17:04

If Wario prefers some older technology its hardly a crime.

AndrewG · 21 Dec 2010, 17:10

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If Wario prefers some older technology its hardly a crime.

I agree. Of course his or anyone else's preference isn't a crime at all!

Wario · 21 Dec 2010, 17:15

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If Wario prefers some older technology its hardly a crime.

:shurg: I just like to cause debate sometimes

But what i forgot to say was VHS tapes have a bigger library. DVDs dont exist for every movie released pre 2001

AndrewG · 21 Dec 2010, 17:18

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:shurg: I just like to cause debate sometimes

But what i forgot to say was VHS tapes have a bigger library. DVDs dont exist for every movie released pre 2001

But then VHS tapes don't exist for every movie made after 2001 either.

*AndyK* · 21 Dec 2010, 17:32

I'd say that the library of available releases is probably fairly even now. The numbers of releases that are of interest and aren't available on DVD are very low (and for videotape you're limited to pretty much the second hand market) Can't remember the last time I wasn't able to buy something on disc that I used to have on tape.

Wario · 21 Dec 2010, 18:14

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I'd say that the library of available releases is probably fairly even now. The numbers of releases that are of interest and aren't available on DVD are very low (and for videotape you're limited to pretty much the second hand market) Can't remember the last time I wasn't able to buy something on disc that I used to have on tape.

well for one, these deserving titles have yet to be released on dvd:

and most notably:

daveake · 21 Dec 2010, 18:19

Yes, but what are they deserving of exactly?

Wario · 21 Dec 2010, 18:22

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Yes, but what are they deserving of exactly?

Well it may have looked like i was joking but I actually wasnt

Actually the tiny toons movie has some great writing, I always watched it the day after school let out up until last year when I graduated. great songs too.

Kong is actually a pretty decent musicalized version sans the happy ending.

and Bad Attitude live is Bad Attitude live ...

Evil One · 21 Dec 2010, 18:24

My crystal balls

tell me that your third pick will be released in the spring of 2012. I couldn't give

about the other two.

duke knooby · 21 Dec 2010, 19:27

d-vhs was about the maximum developement of the vhs format, from memory it was capable of high def, can't rem what the sound formats were... it was along time ago now... and dvd killed it

laserdisc also well worth a mention as the ultimate for home cinema back in the 80's/90's
(and laserdisc muse would have been its ultimate developement.. i think was high def about 16 years ago)

and a damn good heavy vinyl album in great condition on great equipment by a good band will always be a pleasure to own and listen too

(ish)

Evil One · 21 Dec 2010, 19:41

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and a damn good heavy vinyl album in great condition on great equipment by a good band will always be a pleasure to own and listen too

But no good in the car.

duke knooby · 21 Dec 2010, 19:43

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But no good in the car.

minidisc

**Monstro** · 21 Dec 2010, 19:56

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Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

Tape quality blows, both as VHS and audio.

To throw a spanner in the works many studios and sound engineers still record to tape and prefer the sound it gives

Evil One · 21 Dec 2010, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Monstro

To throw a spanner in the works many studios and sound engineers still record to tape and prefer the sound it gives

But it's not the same type of tape is it?

*AndyK* · 21 Dec 2010, 22:05

It was S-VHS, and it was only hi def picture, best you could get soundwise was stereo.

I'd imagine a studio tape isn't repeatedly used over and over again which is where the degradation comes from with tape.

duke knooby · 21 Dec 2010, 23:29

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It was S-VHS, and it was only hi def picture, best you could get soundwise was stereo.

what was S-vhs?

daveake · 21 Dec 2010, 23:40

Super VHS - better resolution but otherwise similar shite to standard VHS.

duke knooby · 21 Dec 2010, 23:43

about 400 lines res if i rem correct, laserdisc about 420 and dvd was about 450

very different to d-vhs though

dvd is about 500 res apparently, oops, its been a while

21 Dec 2010, 23:43	#50
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,897	about 400 lines res if i rem correct, laserdisc about 420 and dvd was about 450 very different to d-vhs though dvd is about 500 res apparently, oops, its been a while Last edited by duke knooby; 22 Dec 2010 at 00:23. Reason: got it wrong

21 Dec 2010, 12:42	#26
A Slice Of English Guest Join Date: 10.11.2003 Posts: 1,258	Tape quality blows, both as VHS and audio. Audio tapes still hold a special place in my heart for reasons of reminiscence only. HDD and the digital generation have still created better quality for the reasons outlined above. Now vinyl on the other hand...? Now you're talkin'!!

21 Dec 2010, 17:04	#33
Paul Richardson Super Loafer Join Date: 16.05.2010 Posts: 535	If Wario prefers some older technology its hardly a crime.

21 Dec 2010, 17:32	#37
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	I'd say that the library of available releases is probably fairly even now. The numbers of releases that are of interest and aren't available on DVD are very low (and for videotape you're limited to pretty much the second hand market) Can't remember the last time I wasn't able to buy something on disc that I used to have on tape.

21 Dec 2010, 18:19	#39
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	Yes, but what are they deserving of exactly?

21 Dec 2010, 18:24	#41
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,193	My crystal balls tell me that your third pick will be released in the spring of 2012. I couldn't give about the other two.

21 Dec 2010, 19:27	#42
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,897	d-vhs was about the maximum developement of the vhs format, from memory it was capable of high def, can't rem what the sound formats were... it was along time ago now... and dvd killed it laserdisc also well worth a mention as the ultimate for home cinema back in the 80's/90's (and laserdisc muse would have been its ultimate developement.. i think was high def about 16 years ago) and a damn good heavy vinyl album in great condition on great equipment by a good band will always be a pleasure to own and listen too (ish)

21 Dec 2010, 22:05	#47
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	It was S-VHS, and it was only hi def picture, best you could get soundwise was stereo. I'd imagine a studio tape isn't repeatedly used over and over again which is where the degradation comes from with tape.

21 Dec 2010, 23:40	#49
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	Super VHS - better resolution but otherwise similar shite to standard VHS.