POSITIVITY: APPLY WITHIN. - Page 2

carole · 06 Apr 2010, 09:56

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Originally Posted by CarylB

All it needs imo is for people to stick to the work and not comment on Meat's character, motives, values etc .. and when they review/comment spend a fraction of the time he's invested in delivering it to us into thinking about what they're writing and how it comes across, and keep it balanced rather than quickly hurling a few negative comments onto the page.

I like reading all the views expressed as long as they're about the work and expressed with courtesy, and I see no reason why Meat wouldn't be the same. We shouldn't need rebuttal threads really should we in a fan club

If criticism IS constructive it IS supportive and not destructive .. and I'm not intending to be coralled into a thread which will be labelled by some the kiss-ass thread ..

I have no facility for picking up a strange almost inaudible sound on an album, or to analyse or criticise the musical arrangements, so I don't offer that. Meat hasn't produced an album I haven't enjoyed. That's not because I'm just a yes person gushing over my keyboard .. I happen to love his voice, his clarity, his performances, which is why I'm a fan.

Caryl

Very well put Caryl, I feel the same way. I don't usually pick up on these minor things either. I love his voice too, it's what made me fall in love with his music and what has appealed to me since the beginning and seeing him perform in concert is magic. That's why I am a fan.

Carole

carole · 06 Apr 2010, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Kathy

Yes that *is* how it should be! Doode, you have come out of the blue like a breath of fresh air. I saw a couple of your posts and wondered how long it would take for you to succumb to peer pressure and start being cool and above it all. Does that make me cynical?

I love how you said:

And there's no reason why we can't have this attitude and still be honest! "Yes-men" are not honest!!! But being positive doesn't make you a yes-man. Neither does cheering Meat on when he's made a post or tweet you like, or supporting him elsewhere whenever you get the chance, or genuinely anticipating his new album with great excitement and saying so. We're here on this forum because we already love what Meat does; he should be able to depend upon that as a given.

I love your attitude and the perceptive way you write about the amount of positivity an artist needs "to go out and promote something like this, and be confident, and electric..." I love that! So, sign me up for the positivity movement! I'll spring for the champagne!
-Kathy

Hear hear Kathy, sign me up too and I'll bring a bottle as well. We can show loyalty and support for Meat, by being postive and giving praise where it's due. It doesn't mean we are being arse kissers or yes men, we are just being honest about how we feel. There is a difference.

Carole

carole · 06 Apr 2010, 11:04

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Originally Posted by suzieq

I love reading your posts Kathy. You are point on (with Doode)! You know what made me so sad....so very sad....VH1, Behind the Music used a line and it hit my heart with a mallet.....paraphrasing: Meat lost it all, his fans had turned on him. They used this line in the original and they used it in the remastered. But, if this is how Meat felt......I can NOT say loud enough that this fan (ME) never, ever, ever turned on him. I just didn't know he felt that way. With internet it's easier to see his feelings and it's way easier to see other's feelings towards Meat. I never would want Meat to feel like we've turned on him. Maybe that's part of my reason for being positively pre-disposed to whatever Meat's involved with.

Suzieq

Same here Suzie. I can't emphasize enough that I too NEVER EVER EVER turned on Meat either, and never will ever, no matter what. It breaks my heart too that he ever felt that way, but I'm sure they would have been in the minority.

Carole

TheDoode · 06 Apr 2010, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Kathy

Yes that *is* how it should be! Doode, you have come out of the blue like a breath of fresh air. I saw a couple of your posts and wondered how long it would take for you to succumb to peer pressure and start being cool and above it all. Does that make me cynical?

I love how you said:

And there's no reason why we can't have this attitude and still be honest! "Yes-men" are not honest!!! But being positive doesn't make you a yes-man. Neither does cheering Meat on when he's made a post or tweet you like, or supporting him elsewhere whenever you get the chance, or genuinely anticipating his new album with great excitement and saying so. We're here on this forum because we already love what Meat does; he should be able to depend upon that as a given.

I love your attitude and the perceptive way you write about the amount of positivity an artist needs "to go out and promote something like this, and be confident, and electric..." I love that! So, sign me up for the positivity movement! I'll spring for the champagne!
-Kathy

Kathy - appreciate your words

And... ooh look... anyone notice the date? Getting closer all the time...

...it's almost here!

Hang Cool,

Doode.

Vickip · 06 Apr 2010, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Kathy

Yes that *is* how it should be! Doode, you have come out of the blue like a breath of fresh air. I saw a couple of your posts and wondered how long it would take for you to succumb to peer pressure and start being cool and above it all. Does that make me cynical?

I love how you said:

And there's no reason why we can't have this attitude and still be honest! "Yes-men" are not honest!!! But being positive doesn't make you a yes-man. Neither does cheering Meat on when he's made a post or tweet you like, or supporting him elsewhere whenever you get the chance, or genuinely anticipating his new album with great excitement and saying so. We're here on this forum because we already love what Meat does; he should be able to depend upon that as a given.

I love your attitude and the perceptive way you write about the amount of positivity an artist needs "to go out and promote something like this, and be confident, and electric..." I love that! So, sign me up for the positivity movement! I'll spring for the champagne!
-Kathy

You summed it up perfectly for me Kathy

Thank you.

And thank you too Doode ... sign me up !

melon · 06 Apr 2010, 16:01

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Originally Posted by CarylB

Meat hasn't produced an album I haven't enjoyed. That's not because I'm just a yes person gushing over my keyboard .. I happen to love his voice, his clarity, his performances, which is why I'm a fan.
Caryl

Me too Caryl, Im not going to sit there and pick out every little thing about it, if I like it, I like it. For me to like a CD/Song, all it needs to do is make me enjoy it, or feel some sort of connection to that song, and there are a fair few that fit into that second category. And in all honesty, yes there are songs of Meat's I don't listen so as much or don't know so well, because I like the others more, not because I don't enjoy them.

I don't care if he drops a note or doesn't quite get there..... to be honest I can't tell, as long as I am enjoying it, I love it.

I don't see this as making me a "Yes person" Just someone whodoes this:

Find something enjoy out of as much as you can, Life is too short to dwell on the negetive.

Rock out.

meatrocks1 · 06 Apr 2010, 18:57

renegadeangel

you just won yourself a new friend.....lol...i agree that some people won't be totally honest in saying what they really feel about the song or album in fear of pissing the Loaf off........its so stupid......how is Meat ever gonna learn what the public really wants when...you have fans out there that gush over every little thing he does......I honestly wonder if Meat gets annoyed with that......but to each and their own i guess......i love Meat i do...but...i am losing interest in him as a performer with the way he comes on the forums and bashes people......he is not gonna win new fans or keep fans for long if this continues........he needs to learn to accept the critism.....he's 62 years old .....he should have a handle on it by now.......its my 2 cents...

TheDoode · 06 Apr 2010, 19:22

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Originally Posted by meatrocks1

renegadeangel

you just won yourself a new friend.....lol...i agree that some people won't be totally honest in saying what they really feel about the song or album in fear of pissing the Loaf off........its so stupid......how is Meat ever gonna learn what the public really wants when...you have fans out there that gush over every little thing he does......I honestly wonder if Meat gets annoyed with that......but to each and their own i guess......i love Meat i do...but...i am losing interest in him as a performer with the way he comes on the forums and bashes people......he is not gonna win new fans or keep fans for long if this continues........he needs to learn to accept the critism.....he's 62 years old .....he should have a handle on it by now.......its my 2 cents...

My, you like elipses, don't you?

Okay, down to business. I don't see people 'gushing', I don't see people fearing. And you can count on me to be TOTALLY honest. But what I won't be is:
Rude.
Disrespectful.
Or in some naive belief that I could have done any better.

There's a new Meat Loaf album coming out, and it's sounding AWESOME. So be happy!

Doode

suzieq · 06 Apr 2010, 19:25

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Originally Posted by meatrocks1

renegadeangel

you just won yourself a new friend.....lol...i agree that some people won't be totally honest in saying what they really feel about the song or album in fear of pissing the Loaf off........its so stupid......how is Meat ever gonna learn what the public really wants when...you have fans out there that gush over every little thing he does......I honestly wonder if Meat gets annoyed with that......but to each and their own i guess......i love Meat i do...but...i am losing interest in him as a performer with the way he comes on the forums and bashes people......he is not gonna win new fans or keep fans for long if this continues........he needs to learn to accept the critism.....he's 62 years old .....he should have a handle on it by now.......its my 2 cents...

Hey Rocks,
You've never hold anything back and have no reserve when it comes to letting Meat know on forum where your head is at...and I like that. With my tendency to "gush" at times, I often wonder if Meat gets annoyed as well. That said, I think it may be better for me to be a harmless annoyance than piss him off completely. I do have to say one thing though, I have never seen Meat bash someone for something they didn't bring upon themselves. He invites the criticism but the line crossed is don't get ugly on his character so I think he's got a clear handle on that. Would he do it again? I think so....he's that true to his own self and I feel that IS confidence (not insecurity).

Suzieq

Vickip · 06 Apr 2010, 19:53

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Originally Posted by meatrocks1

renegadeangel

you just won yourself a new friend.....lol...i agree that some people won't be totally honest in saying what they really feel about the song or album in fear of pissing the Loaf off........its so stupid......how is Meat ever gonna learn what the public really wants when...you have fans out there that gush over every little thing he does......I honestly wonder if Meat gets annoyed with that......but to each and their own i guess......i love Meat i do...but...i am losing interest in him as a performer with the way he comes on the forums and bashes people......he is not gonna win new fans or keep fans for long if this continues........he needs to learn to accept the critism.....he's 62 years old .....he should have a handle on it by now.......its my 2 cents...

Like I've said before, it's all about respect ... respect for Meat as the artist and Meat as the man behind the scenes.
If someone crosses the line and attacks his character, he has every right to react the way he does. How would you feel if someone did the same thing to you

If someone calls me a "gusher" or "ass-kisser" so what. I'm sure it doesn't annoy Meat in the least ... and I will always love and admire him no matter what.

CarylB · 06 Apr 2010, 20:44

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Okay, down to business. I don't see people 'gushing', I don't see people fearing. And you can count on me to be TOTALLY honest. But what I won't be is:
Rude.
Disrespectful.
Or in some naive belief that I could have done any better.

Agree with that .. plus it would be nice if people would not be rude to other members also

Being positive, upbeat and supportive is not "gushing", and respecting people's feelings sould not be dimissed as being fearful of "pissing" anyone off.

Confucious wrote: Straightforwardness, without the rules of propriety, becomes rudeness. A good maxim! Meat only reacts when this goes totally out of the window or when people make negative, incorrect and/or rudely worded assumptions/attacks on his character, his values as a person and a performer. And then it is understandable and I hope he never "learns" to accept that. No-one should ever tolerate that imo in a civil and civilised society.

And imo whilst I'm sure Meat is always interested to know what his fans like/don't like (why else would he come here?) I don't see him as having much to learn about how to perform from most of us

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There's a new Meat Loaf album coming out, and it's sounding AWESOME. So be happy!

Doode

Amen to that.

Caryl

PanicLord · 06 Apr 2010, 20:56

Agree with you Doode - I had to have a similar rant very recently

Cathartic, isn't it?

TheDoode · 06 Apr 2010, 21:00

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Originally Posted by CarylB

And imo whilst I'm sure Meat is always interested to know what his fans like/don't like (why else would he come here?) I don't see him as having much to learn about how to perform from most of us

Caryl

Caryl, that's exactly what I'm talking about!

TheDoode · 06 Apr 2010, 21:02

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Originally Posted by PanicLord

Agree with you Doode - I had to have a similar rant very recently

Cathartic, isn't it?

Totally

Asenath83 · 06 Apr 2010, 21:29

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Originally Posted by meatrocks1

i love Meat i do...but...i am losing interest in him as a performer with the way he comes on the forums and bashes people......he is not gonna win new fans or keep fans for long if this continues........he needs to learn to accept the critism.....he's 62 years old .....he should have a handle on it by now.......its my 2 cents...

You used the keyword there - criticism. Criticism is supposed to be useful, not a personal attack.
There's a big difference between saying

"I do not like the new single - Meat has become a *** sell-out!"
(which, if I remember correctly, is more or less something someone posted here or on Twitter) - that would piss me off, too!

and saying

"I do not like the new single, it is too commercial for my taste (and there you have another thing... MY taste!) and I don't think he needs to change to appeal to the masses." - see what I did here?

CarylB · 06 Apr 2010, 21:59

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Caryl, that's exactly what I'm talking about!

As I said at the beginning .. you're preaching to the choir here

And @ asenath:

Perfect examples

.. and when people have posted in the way of your second example Meat appears to have found it perfectly reasonable and acceptable.

And to get some perspective .. most people here do show respect whether they like something or whether it's not to their taste .. there are plenty of examples.

AND Meat's cheerful and informing posts greatly outnumber the very few when he's reacted to something that's stepped way over the line. (He seems mostly to pass by the nitpicking that Doode referred to at the start of this thread, just as I try to) The latter posts tend to be longer

.. but that's also understandable imo .. and as somene has said elsewhere, these demonstrate his conviction and his passion for his work and his belief in it and himself. Far from making me lose interest in him, it just emphasises for me just how much passion he has .. it's his hallmark both as a performer and as a person, which is why I became a fan in the first place

Caryl

meatrocks1 · 06 Apr 2010, 22:47

lol suzie ..

.yea i think Meat knows i don't hold back....but so far only los angeloser is the only one appealing to me....

was really hoping to love it..........but its not biting me.......Sorry Meat !!!!!!!!

carole · 06 Apr 2010, 23:18

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

Okay, down to business. I don't see people 'gushing', I don't see people fearing. And you can count on me to be TOTALLY honest. But what I won't be is:
Rude.
Disrespectful.
Or in some naive belief that I could have done any better.

There's a new Meat Loaf album coming out, and it's sounding AWESOME. So be happy!

Doode

That's exactly right. If you don't like something, for whatever reason there's nothing wrong with saying so, but it's HOW you say it. Being rude and abrasive or disrespectful is not the way to do it. I am certainly happy about the new album coming out and agree it is sounding AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Carole

carole · 06 Apr 2010, 23:32

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Originally Posted by suzieq

Hey Rocks,
You've never hold anything back and have no reserve when it comes to letting Meat know on forum where your head is at...and I like that. With my tendency to "gush" at times, I often wonder if Meat gets annoyed as well. That said, I think it may be better for me to be a harmless annoyance than piss him off completely. I do have to say one thing though, I have never seen Meat bash someone for something they didn't bring upon themselves. He invites the criticism but the line crossed is don't get ugly on his character so I think he's got a clear handle on that. Would he do it again? I think so....he's that true to his own self and I feel that IS confidence (not insecurity).

Suzieq

That's right Suzie, although I don't think bash is the right word. But the only times Meat has reacted angrily is when someone has attacked him or his integrity and he has every right to get angry at that. He said himself, he didn't care if people said they didn't like the song, but when they write lies about him and his character he won't take that, and he shouldn't have to. Yeah I'm guilty of 'gushing' and I hope it doesn't annoy him, but if I really love something, I just like to express it, and where else can I do that freely, but on his fan site. I should be able to do so without being accused of being an 'arse kisser' or 'yes-man'. I WANT Meat to know I love his new song, or album or concert or whatever. And if I can't express that on his fan site, then there is something wrong here. Not all of my friends are rabid Meat Loaf fans like I am, and I don't want to bore them too much with my goings on. That's what a fan club is for. And I don't care what other people think of me, I only care what Meat thinks.

Carole

CarylB · 07 Apr 2010, 00:30

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Originally Posted by carole

That's right Suzie, although I don't think bash is the right word.
Carole

I agree .. angry and righteous indignation is closer to the mark imo .. and is characterised by its passion, but even more by it's infrequency. Let's try to remember and keep in focus that he's accepted all the views posted here about the album as pieces have been revealed, positive and negative, except from just two people. One who posted a diatribe and then wouldn't leave it alone even when Meat gave a detailed and restrained reply; and one who made attacks on his integrity. And then more recently in reaction to comment he found when browsing the internet. Imo those few responses were justifable and don't need defending. Perspective.

Caryl

meatrocks1 · 07 Apr 2010, 00:34

OK

duke knooby · 07 Apr 2010, 00:35

whats a diatribe?

CarylB · 07 Apr 2010, 00:47

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Originally Posted by duke knooby

whats a diatribe?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

duke knooby · 07 Apr 2010, 00:50

: a bitter and abusive speech or writing
: ironic or satirical criticism?

suzieq · 07 Apr 2010, 02:23

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Originally Posted by meatrocks1

renegadeangel
...i love Meat i do...but...i am losing interest in him as a performer with the way he comes on the forums and bashes people......

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Originally Posted by carole

That's right Suzie, although I don't think bash is the right word.

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Originally Posted by CarylB

I agree .. angry and righteous indignation is closer to the mark imo ..

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Originally Posted by meatrocks1

OK

Just for clarification...."bash" wasn't my word to begin with, but I was responding and relating to Meatrocks words. Nothing more.

What I would say is: I support Meat's position to chew someone's ass out for character defamation and slander. However poetic that comes down to.

I think Meatrocks gets the idea I was trying to come across with. And now I think she's got the idea from others too :).

Suzieq

06 Apr 2010, 18:57	#32
meatrocks1 Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.12.2006 Location: ontario Posts: 144	renegadeangel you just won yourself a new friend.....lol...i agree that some people won't be totally honest in saying what they really feel about the song or album in fear of pissing the Loaf off........its so stupid......how is Meat ever gonna learn what the public really wants when...you have fans out there that gush over every little thing he does......I honestly wonder if Meat gets annoyed with that......but to each and their own i guess......i love Meat i do...but...i am losing interest in him as a performer with the way he comes on the forums and bashes people......he is not gonna win new fans or keep fans for long if this continues........he needs to learn to accept the critism.....he's 62 years old .....he should have a handle on it by now.......its my 2 cents...

06 Apr 2010, 20:56	#37
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,653	Agree with you Doode - I had to have a similar rant very recently Cathartic, isn't it?

06 Apr 2010, 22:47	#42
meatrocks1 Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.12.2006 Location: ontario Posts: 144	lol suzie .. .yea i think Meat knows i don't hold back....but so far only los angeloser is the only one appealing to me.... was really hoping to love it..........but its not biting me.......Sorry Meat !!!!!!!!

07 Apr 2010, 00:34	#46
meatrocks1 Senior Loafer Join Date: 03.12.2006 Location: ontario Posts: 144	OK

07 Apr 2010, 00:35	#47
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,892	whats a diatribe?

07 Apr 2010, 00:50	#49
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,892	: a bitter and abusive speech or writing : ironic or satirical criticism?