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[Cherry.Loaf]

I think it's hilarious and a bit of fun personally!

[TheDoode]

^ agree with this. The lyrics clearly are not meant to be taken literally and/or seriously :P I'd be kind of surprised if they were, really. And as for the structure of the song -- I'd take it over a lot of the 2006 + material any day.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

And as for the structure of the song -- I'd take it over a lot of the 2006 + material any day.

I prefer it the other way round and would sooner listen to a lot of the more recent material than a lot of the Meat Loaf songs that came out of the 80's.

Each to their own eh?

[Wario]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Thanks, I always feel good when I am reminded that I am not the biggest Meat Loaf nerd out there.

However it must upset you tremendously knowing that the song was never played since the late 80s / early 90s tours and most likely never will be again going by the protests above.

In all honesty it doesnt. I joke and I kid and I pretend to demand it but the tuth is Im fine with whatever meat does and performs.

Yeha Im sick of break it, but thats about it. Whats no joke is masculine is legitimately my third favorite ML song and i love it the same way most people love It just wont quit, FCOL, or Objects.

If Meat ever were to do it, Itd be an inside joke or something. if he did even a little peice of it, I can just imagine everyones response form the fanclub. the rest of the audience wouldnt know what to make of it.

Aside from the inside joke Masculine is the signature tune of the 1986-1991 tour golden years. It should stay that way and never be seen again. Meat's current voice wouldnt mesh too well with the song (Dont think im implying anything cause im not and never have)

Now lets get a petition started: Masculine for Vegas!

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Wario

1) Meat's current voice wouldnt mesh too well with the song

2) Now lets get a petition started: Masculine for Vegas!

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

......The lyrics clearly are not meant to be taken literally and/or seriously :P I'd be kind of surprised if they were, really.

Considering the attention so often paid here to the lyrics of Meat's recorded songs, I'm a bit surprised that these should not be taken as they stand. However, you said it would be interesting to know why people didn't like this song, and some of us explained why

Originally Posted by JennaG

I prefer it the other way round and would sooner listen to a lot of the more recent material than a lot of the Meat Loaf songs that came out of the 80's

I agree. And after Dead Ringer the 80s albums didn't have Platinum impact here. I have them, play them, but many of the songs don't for me hold a candle to Neighbourhood, CHSIB and Meat's latest two albums.

Each to their own eh?

Hard to disagree with that

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Considering the attention so often paid here to the lyrics of Meat's recorded songs, I'm a bit surprised that these should not be taken as they stand.

That doesn't really make an awful lot of sense, Caryl. You're commenting on the fact that lyrics are frequently up for interpretation on this board while within the same sentence stating that you're surprised how the lyrics to Masculine haven't been taken at face value.

Originally Posted by CarylB

However, you said it would be interesting to know why people didn't like this song, and some of us explained why

Bingo. And I replied to those comments above Although, I wouldn't usually feel the need to reiterate that

Originally Posted by CarylB

And after Dead Ringer the 80s albums didn't have Platinum impact here. I have them, play them, but many of the songs don't for me hold a candle to Neighbourhood, CHSIB and Meat's latest two albums.

That may be your opinion, but there are a lot of people who would disagree with that.

That's my opinion

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

That doesn't really make an awful lot of sense, Caryl. You're commenting on the fact that lyrics are frequently up for interpretation on this board while within the same sentence stating that you're surprised how the lyrics to Masculine haven't been taken at face value.

Not what I meant .. I said "attention" .. songs seem to be often judged on the basis of the lyrics as well as the music. Rather than ignore them, or decide they should not be taken as written, I listen to them and in this case find them a bit distasteful, and at odds with the man singing them.

That may be your opinion, but there are a lot of people who would disagree with that.

That's my opinion

Absolutely fine. I'm lucky that all of Meat's more recent work is so much to my taste

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Not what I meant .. I said "attention" .. songs seem to be often judged on the basis of the lyrics as well as the music. Rather than ignore them, or decide they should not be taken as written, I listen to them and in this case find them a bit distasteful, and at odds with the man singing them.

Apologies - it wasn't clear, but I see your meaning And I agree with the last part of your reply about the lyrics and the man, which is why I've always taken the lyrics to Masculine as satirical, kind of a view-point critique if you like. A fun song that pokes fun at its own narrator/protagonist/character/misogyny in general.

[lorenzoduke]

I'll always find Masculine to me nothing more than atypical, embarrassing, faintly misogynistic '80's c*ck rock. Aggressively stupid and without a trace of irony. If Masculine did one thing, it's to make California Isn't Big Enough (which I see as a parody of that subgenre) even funnier than it already is.

Masculine may be unique in the Meat Loaf catalog, but outside of his work, songs like this were ten a penny at the time.

[AndrewG]

I don't particularly regard Masculine as a bad song. It's just that I think about 80% of Meat's back catalogue is much better.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I'll always find Masculine to me nothing more than atypical, embarrassing, faintly misogynistic '80's c*ck rock. Aggressively stupid and without a trace of irony.

Thanks .. that's exactly it for me Perhaps it's more obvious to any woman trying to forge a career in the 70s/80s, but that air of misogynism is what one was up against, lacks irony, didn't sit well then, doesn't sit well with me now.

If Masculine did one thing, it's to make California Isn't Big Enough (which I see as a parody of that subgenre) even funnier than it already is.

Exactly So wholly and daftly over the top it can amuse Plus it's about the overwhelming feelings of the guy singing it, rather than his attitude towards others I think

[melon]

I just like to stir Wario up

But seriously, I don't mind the sound/music of the song, but I don't like the lyrics/theme of the song.

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[AndrewG]

Well let's put it this way I think it's better than that Thrashin' song that Tina discovered.

[Monstro]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Well let's put it this way I think it's better than that Thrashin' song that Tina discovered.

Still not rating it highly then lol

[TheDoode]

"Grab her by the hair
Drag her back to your cave
It's what makes a man a man"

If that isn't deeply satirical, emphasizing the misogyny of the period, then American Psycho is just a straight-up novel about a clinically insane serial killer.

Hint: it isn't.

[Meat Loaf_fan]

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Back to the topic : CarylB I thank you for giving me woman's point of view - now my enthusiasm to this song is on lower level ... but still, I think (maybe even more) that "Masculine" should be in the set list. Why? It would be a good pretext to explain lyrics and give people different point of views.

[TheDoode]

Wario, do you have this ^ gig in full on your channel?

[Wario]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Wario, do you have this ^ gig in full on your channel?

Not yet. But soon.

[misterfive]

Wario seriously enough about Masculine, its a good song (by my standards) just let it be, jelax get in the grove and get netflix and watch some Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by misterfive

Wario seriously enough about Masculine, its a good song (by my standards) just let it be, jelax get in the grove and get netflix and watch some Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

[AndrewG]

[PanicLord]

I've got it by jove! I've figured out the precise reason this song doesn't appeal to me. No drama. None. Meat isn't stretched, the band isn't stretched. I'm not bothered either way.