A possible reason why Readem and Weep is never played live....

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Sue K

Are we talking "I would do anything for love" ... stop ... break ... record ... "I would do anything for love" ... stop ... break ... record ... etc, just for farfetched example ? Is that how recordings are done today ??? ...

I believe that's how they said that that DR was recorded, due to the screwed up voice. Listening to it, I can see that.

One line at a time would be ridiculous and unnecessary for most recording artists. Not to mention the lack of flow of the lyrics. Not saying that nobody does that, but certainly not in 90%.

Most albums would be recorded in more of a live format due to the resources that most artists have. At the most it may be a verse or a chorus at a time. Typically Drums/Bass on one track and build from there.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I don't mean that he records the song in one take.

And no. You are completely wrong. 99% of albums are not recorded one line at a time. I don't know where you pulled that figure from.

No, no I'm not. It's a not a figure, I didn't go onto wikipedia and research it. A friend of mine is the vocalist for one of Germany's top metal bands, and as such he gets to record with a whole load of people from all different walks of the industry. The only reason I know this stuff is because when he wanted to record his first album as a full band set up, his original producer was like "people don't record that way anymore".

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

No, no I'm not. It's a not a figure, I didn't go onto wikipedia and research it. A friend of mine is the vocalist for one of Germany's top metal bands, and as such he gets to record with a whole load of people from all different walks of the industry. The only reason I know this stuff is because when he wanted to record his first album as a full band set up, his original producer was like "people don't record that way anymore".

That's cool. Just because they don't do a full band setup doesn't mean that they record the vocal tracks one line at a time.

And who cares what that producer says? If he wants to record as a full band setup than that's the way that it should be. And didn't ML say that he recorded HiAH in less than two weeks?

Btw, you make it sound like you're some kind of insider.

[TheDoode]

That's not it works sadly, you're pretty much dictated to and at the mercy of your producer. Even artists as big and successful as Meat Loaf. Most mainstream/pop artists (Mariah Carey is a notorious example) record a line at a time, sometimes even a single lyric or note gets concentrated on for hours of takes, just to get it perfect (and they wonder why it doesn't sound that good live...). I'm not an insider man, just got some good friends

Meat did record HIAB in a matter of weeks, but he has his own studio and Paul was producing, so, no external pressure. It's taken a long time to come around, but rock bands are starting to get their way with recording in a relatively 'almost live' setup again. But here's a thought, as much as 35 years ago Van Halen recorded the vocals for their first album ... one line at a time.

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

But here's a thought, as much as 35 years ago Van Halen recorded the vocals for their first album ... one line at a time.

Would "Jump" have been on that album ? I don't have the lyrics memorized and am just thinking of the tune in general and wondering, specifically, how the devil you get madman David Lee to record a line at a time ??? ... ... lol ... Making me think... how can you either build up momentum... or stay in the moment if you record a line at a time ... particularly for a rockin' song ? ... Perhaps the entire song is recorded over and over... and the best of the lines selected and spliced together ? I know nothing of this stuff but am curious ... Thanks !

[TheDoode]

Ah, Jump was on their 1984 release "1984". Have you seen the Jennifer Hudson video where she's recording lines with Meat from Bat III? It's on youtube and there's probably even a link on here somewhere (actually think I posted it myself at one point). They're punching in every few lines, maybe a verse etc. as they go along, making sure the notes are right and the performance is as good as it gets. It's a pretty common thing to do :)

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Ah, Jump was on their 1984 release "1984". Have you seen the Jennifer Hudson video where she's recording lines with Meat from Bat III? It's on youtube and there's probably even a link on here somewhere (actually think I posted it myself at one point). They're punching in every few lines, maybe a verse etc. as they go along, making sure the notes are right and the performance is as good as it gets. It's a pretty common thing to do :)

I did see that clip of Meat and JH ... but it was long ago... I'll have to take another look to get the idea in my head of that line by line way of recording. Thanks for the reply !

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

That's not it works sadly, you're pretty much dictated to and at the mercy of your producer. Even artists as big and successful as Meat Loaf. Most mainstream/pop artists (Mariah Carey is a notorious example) record a line at a time, sometimes even a single lyric or note gets concentrated on for hours of takes, just to get it perfect (and they wonder why it doesn't sound that good live...). I'm not an insider man, just got some good friends

Meat did record HIAB in a matter of weeks, but he has his own studio and Paul was producing, so, no external pressure. It's taken a long time to come around, but rock bands are starting to get their way with recording in a relatively 'almost live' setup again. But here's a thought, as much as 35 years ago Van Halen recorded the vocals for their first album ... one line at a time.

I can't believe you used the first van Halen album as an example. It's been widely known that the first van Halen albums were recorded live in the studio.

Try again. Actually don't.

[AndyK]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Actually don't.

Why not both of you drop it now? Neither are going to agree and you'll end up going backwards and forwards forever.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I can't believe you used the first van Halen album as an example. It's been widely known that the first van Halen albums were recorded live in the studio.

Try again. Actually don't.

Yeah, apart from the vocals, which were recorded a line at a time.

Andy, point taken, this should probably be an entirely different thread in a completely different topic. If Evil Ernie wants to discuss it further, feel free to PM me man.

[jcmoorehead]

Originally Posted by Sue K

Are we talking "I would do anything for love" ... stop ... break ... record ... "I would do anything for love" ... stop ... break ... record ... etc, just for farfetched example ? Is that how recordings are done today ??? ...

Varies from artist to artist and what works for them, it likely isn't quite as bad as literally doing a line and then stopping and then doing the next line but it might be done a few lines or a verse at a time.

[Meat Loaf_fan]

Originally Posted by RSG

ReadEm to me is one of the highlights from Dead Ringer.

I agree. But ... it's hard for me to decide if this is better than "I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us". Tough choice!