Gary Busey on the Tonight Show TONIGHT

[Wario]

While not Meat himself, Gary will be on and no doubt will be talking about him and Meat. Hopefully he will shed some positive light :)

Thanks to VickiP for the info.

Leno airs on NBC at 11:35 EST

[meatfanforlife]

Oh....oh gawds

[viewer]

grrrr I'm getting a bit fed up with this guy making out that he is the wee innocent victim a part of me wishes meat would do an interview and set the record straight that there was other crap that happened off camera that led to meat getting angry over the paints and to be honest I don't get the whole genius thing I have a cousin who plays the same card acting all deep and connected saying things that you would read in a fortune cookie and really he is just a tw*t who spend all his time thinking of crap to say to make him seem intelligent, I really hope that the pain that busey really is comes to light because i find it hard to sit back and see a really nice sweet guy like meat get the short straw all his team mates stick by him because he is a good guy they know it, it is that the just the gullible viewers don't, meat was really nice and kind to me when i met him even though i got starstruck and barely spoke he made me laugh and gave me a hug and kiss on the head after telling me to come over to a corner of the tent with him because he was shy too, i didn't because I was too dumbfound and wasn't sure if he was joking anyway my brother went up after me and he said to him i hope you don't want a kiss too lol sorry long post but I had to vent - meat love ya -

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by viewer

grrrr I'm getting a bit fed up with this guy making out that he is the wee innocent victim a part of me wishes meat would do an interview and set the record straight that there was other crap that happened off camera that led to meat getting angry over the paints and to be honest I don't get the whole genius thing I have a cousin who plays the same card acting all deep and connected saying things that you would read in a fortune cookie and really he is just a tw*t who spend all his time thinking of crap to say to make him seem intelligent, I really hope that the pain that busey really is comes to light because i find it hard to sit back and see a really nice sweet guy like meat get the short straw all his team mates stick by him because he is a good guy they know it, it is that the just the gullible viewers don't, meat was really nice and kind to me when i met him even though i got starstruck and barely spoke he made me laugh and gave me a hug and kiss on the head after telling me to come over to a corner of the tent with him because he was shy too, i didn't because I was too dumbfound and wasn't sure if he was joking anyway my brother went up after me and he said to him i hope you don't want a kiss too lol sorry long post but I had to vent - meat love ya -

I've not seen the show, as I live in the UK. But I'm guessing from this post that Meat was made to look like the bad guy again? I could find a way to watch the show, as I do The Apprentice, but if it just makes Meat look bad again, then I won't bother!

[viewer]

nah its not that it makes meat out to be the bad guy its just that they dont show the background just make it out to be an incident over paints I am more reffering to busey on the tonight show making out that the team want him gone due to jealousy etc and that idiot on the view making out meat was the bad guy that should have been fired I just think it sucks that the whole story isn't out there and people are pre judging, I am from the UK too I watch it on youtube

[Flake]

Quick observation:

Gary has been on how many talk shows since the incident? Way TOO MANY! Why? Not because his version of the event is sooo "accurate", but because it attracts viewers... That's all its about. They don't really care about what happened, they just care about the hype... (Why els do they only invite Gary over? Why has nobody invited Meat {just a presumption, because i don't see him on any talk shows}) I still think that Gary didnt think much of the confrontation until Meat apologized...
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Anyway! We Still Love You Meat

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Flake

I still think that Gary didnt think much of the confrontation until Meat apologized...

Have to agree .. he just stood there like a moonstruck moose. After being booted off (as I'm sure he will be soon) he can see how exasperated the others were with him, so I guess it's predictable he's now frantically swimming for the shore and making out people had a down on him as he milks whatever publicity he can get; and as you say it's being hyped for effect and to fill the endless trivial "chat" shows.

He and what happened will soon be yesterday's news, and Meat looks the better man for apologising and moving on without blaming or making excuses. Plus people will watch the rest of the shows and see the Meat we know, and who has been terrific in everything he's done throughout the series so far, apart from just a minute or so loss of patience and composure. Busey somehow manages a career with his erratic way of going about things. Imo Meat, who continually earns respect on every film set he works on, and still has us queuing to get into his shows will be just fine

Caryl

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Meat looks the better man for apologising and moving on without blaming or making excuses.

That's because you are looking at things logically and in context.

Originally Posted by CarylB

Plus people will watch the rest of the shows and see the Meat we know.

What about all those who won't be watching the rest of the shows? What about the large amount of people who will only see Meat's explosion either on chat shows, or via Youtube. To them Meat will just be a crazy old man who lost it over some paint.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Evil One

What about all those who won't be watching the rest of the shows? What about the large amount of people who will only see Meat's explosion either on chat shows, or via Youtube. To them Meat will just be a crazy old man who lost it over some paint.

To be fair, I think most (intelligent) people who watch that clip will assume that there is more to the situation than meets the eye.

People don't tend to blow up like that for no reason.

[Evil One]

But what percentage of chatshow / Youtube viewers are intelligent enough to realise this?

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by Evil One

.....
What about all those who won't be watching the rest of the shows? What about the large amount of people who will only see Meat's explosion either on chat shows, or via Youtube. To them Meat will just be a crazy old man who lost it over some paint.

Unfortunately, as much as it saddens me, I have to agree with that. For some people, this will be the one and only thing they see of Meat Loaf. If they saw anything else it may end up being Busey's appearance on the Tonight Show, spewing his totally fabricrated and untrue story of events. That only confirms their negative impression of Meat.
The naysayers and the negative thinkers are going to have a negative opinion no matter what someone else says. They aren't even going to try to see another side of it. The only info they will pay attention to is that which supports their already preconceived, judgemental negative opinion. For me to attempt to post anything in defense of Meat is only adding fuel to the fire and giving them more of a chance to continue posting their negativity. There is a saying "You can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." And these people are witless. These people are just going to continue saying their ignorant, negative, judgemental, baseless accusations and opinions.
As much as it irritates and saddens me, I can't do much about it. All I can say is that Meat is human, I am a fan and I will continue to support him. And I have to just let it go

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Evil One

But what percentage of chatshow / Youtube viewers are intelligent enough to realise this?

True.
But those people are more likely to buy a Justin Bieber CD than a Meat Loaf album anyway, so no big loss

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

Busey's appearance on the Tonight Show, spewing his totally fabricrated and untrue story of events.

Otherwise known as his side of the story
Who knows what he's going to say?

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

That only confirms their negative impression of Meat.

I think most people have their minds made up about Meat already.You either love him or hate him, and nothing on a reality show is going to change peoples feelings.

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

They aren't even going to try to see another side of it. The only info they will pay attention to is that which supports their already preconceived, judgemental negative opinion.

I can imagine people on the Gary Busey forum posting the exact same thing about him

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

For me to attempt to post anything in defense of Meat is only adding fuel to the fire and giving them more of a chance to continue posting their negativity. There is a saying "You can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." And these people are witless. These people are just going to continue saying their ignorant, negative, judgemental, baseless accusations and opinions.

Who are "they"?
People on youtube?
It's best not to argue with them because the people who say things about Meat are the ones who have never liked him, and arging with them just keeps dragging something on that would quickly die a death if was allowed.
The more you tell people they are wrong the more they dig their heels in.

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

As much as it irrates and saddens me, I can't do much about it. All I can say is that Meat is human, I am a fan and I will continue to support him. And I have to just let it go

Best approach

I honestly wouldn't worry about that program having any negative effect on Meat's career.

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by Evil One

But what percentage of chatshow / Youtube viewers are intelligent enough to realise this?

You are right, that is the problem. We are not dealing with intelligent, fair-minded people here. Yet, they are the people that others are listening to and getting the most attention . Need to follow my own advice - let it go and leave it alone.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I honestly wouldn't worry about that program having any negative effect on Meat's career.

Agreed, and that was my point. Probably many of those for whom this will be the one and only thing they see of Meat Loaf would regard him as the antichrist for using the F word in a concert anyway, and they don't put food on his table. Quite a lot of internet posting from those who haven't watched the show or noticed the frustration building in Team Backbone think it was staged; some even suggest it was scripted.

I am always pleasantly surprised at how many people I meet over here who know who he is, like his music and his shows, and generally have the impression he's a good bloke. I doubt their view will change because of this, and I can't see his US fans changing because of a manic actor blowing smoke and claiming everyone had a down on him. Those who go to concerts go for a great night out, which they'll still have. Those who follow his career more closely will probably suspect there's more to it than Busey's account, and if it matters to them will probably look a bit closer and see that there is.

I agree, it's over and done. Meat will continue to be successful long after this bit of internet titillation is forgotten, and the less it's a hot topic the quicker that will happen. Sunday evening something else will kick off in CA and that will occupy the minds and indignant fingers from last week.

Caryl

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

spewing his totally fabricrated and untrue story of events.

please remember, there are 3 sides to every story

(possibly 4 sides to this story due to tv editing)

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

please remember, there are 3 sides to every story

(possibly 4 sides to this story due to tv editing)

Gary's story of the events of the blow-up were 100% untrue. He lied! There is no other side in that case. That comment I will absolutely stand by.

Have you actually watched Gary's full appearance on THe Tonight Show?

[Evil One]

You can't possibly be 100% sure that Gary lied unless you were there, which I assume you weren't.

[Adje]

Well I don't know what stories are true. Meat said here that the bag with paint that was found was from Busey and Gary used Meat's paint.

Here is a clip from Lil John at Lopez. At the 5.15 mark. Lopez asks if Meat was right and Lil Jon says 'No Meat just snapped, Gary didn't take his stuff it was somewhere in a corner.'

YouTube Video

Oh well, it's not gaining Meat any fans, this way. In the end, people know/remember nothing about this series except that Meat lost it over some paint. Wario says Meat made TV history... Basically Wario says this is a scene that makes people laugh about Meat several times a year when it comes back in all those silly 'Top 25 moments of reality tv' or something.This scene will always be pulled out of context. It's Meat's 'Michael Jackson dangling his kid from the window' moment. I don't like it a single bit. Garey actually looks like the sane person here. I mean... WTF!

[CarylB]

In the end, people know/remember nothing about this series except that Meat lost it over some paint

Some people. Some will watch the whole series and if they have any wit will frm any ipressions on the whole, not just a few minutes. And some won't watch it anyway. Next week it will be last week's news. Hopefully here too.

It's one incident (and Michael Jackson had many). It's done and gone. Meat can't do any more than he did, which was apolgise and take responsibility, and dwelling on it won't change anything, nor help him imo. Meat's still the same decent man and great performer he's always been, and that's what will really count imo, and should certainly count with his fans who have much more on which to base their impressions than one episode of a reality show.

Caryl

[TheDoode]

I think this is being blown out of all proportion - it isn't going to be remembered like any of the Michael Jackson incidents; it's no way near that big. It's a reality TV moment, and it's over, and anyone with eyes can see that it's out of the context of events that happened.

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

I think this is being blown out of all proportion - it isn't going to be remembered like any of the Michael Jackson incidents; it's no way near that big. It's a reality TV moment, and it's over, and anyone with eyes can see that it's out of the context of events that happened.

Exactly. It'll all blow over once they show the big NeNe / Star confrontation .. IMHO the best thing to do at this point is just let it go and move on.

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by Vickip

Exactly. It'll all blow over once they show the big NeNe / Star confrontation .. IMHO the best thing to do at this point is just let it go and move on.

I think you're right, Vicki. The more we talk about it, the longer it goes on, and the more Meat is being reminded of something that he would rather forget.

[Wario]

There's a reason Lil' Jon went along with what the editors did. Lil' Jon could've been in trouble if he let loose the fact the bag was not Meat's on a national TV show like Lopez. He may not be allowed to go to the finally or may strike his chances of winning if hes in the final two. At this moment the meat fight is whats probably gonna bring in the ratings for this week's episode. If people find out some of it was edited in gary's favor, it may backfire on ratings. Let the public think what they want to think.
Its just reality TV. Meat said himself "I think I recover" and he sure will.

people aren't violating his FB wall with abusive messages, which tells you at least something.

I bet you 50 bucks this will all be forgotten once the NeNe fight hits and that makes the headlines.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by LisaT

The more we talk about it, the longer it goes on, and the more Meat is being reminded of something that he would rather forget.

Yes, and if we want to show support we might remember that imo

Caryl